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  1. StinkyMojo's Avatar
    12-24-2014 03:55 PM
  2. Microsoftjunkie's Avatar
    That's already been known. If ppl paid attention when MS revealed Lumia denim months ago, they would have already known this.
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    12-24-2014 03:58 PM
  3. StinkyMojo's Avatar
    I thought this was known as well until I read a bunch of comments in the Denim thread.
    12-24-2014 04:01 PM
  4. Microsoftjunkie's Avatar
    I started to get confused myself, when I started seeing so many threads asking and saying that they were getting some type of denim update. MS stated at the keynote and it was also stated on "Lumiaconverstions.com" that only 830/930/icon/1520 would see any benefit. So I didn't understand why so many ppl got confused.
    WanderingTraveler and Zig87 like this.
    12-24-2014 04:22 PM
  5. Harrie-S's Avatar
    Please do not become confused if other people can not read. (or understand what they read).
    Merry Christmas
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    12-24-2014 04:31 PM
  6. WanderingTraveler's Avatar
    Only newer hardware can benefit from the faster speeds, because in one way or another, they're faster.

    I'm still surprised at the decision Microsoft made for this, considering that it would be simpler for the PR Unit to just declare that the older and lower-end models would get smaller improvements from this.
    12-24-2014 05:39 PM
  7. KhawarNadeem's Avatar
    While I understand the outdated hardware argument, it doesn't make sense as to why Lumia Camera was slow in the first place, for devices that have much smaller cameras than the 1020. The hardware has supported instant capture for quite a lot of years now. Android had instant capture since 4.0, which was released in 2011, so clearly it's not a hardware setback.

    For all the marketing on camera MS did/does, it should have been properly-coded out of the gate.
    12-25-2014 03:08 AM
  8. Roderick Aspiras's Avatar
    The stock (old) camera is fast enough plus there is the updated camera 360 sight? that's very fast.
    12-25-2014 08:44 AM
  9. heickelrrx's Avatar
    While I understand the outdated hardware argument, it doesn't make sense as to why Lumia Camera was slow in the first place, for devices that have much smaller cameras than the 1020. The hardware has supported instant capture for quite a lot of years now. Android had instant capture since 4.0, which was released in 2011, so clearly it's not a hardware setback.

    For all the marketing on camera MS did/does, it should have been properly-coded out of the gate.
    Try default system camera. Not Lumia camera
    12-25-2014 08:49 AM
  10. Yazen's Avatar
    Not a hardware limitation. Denim for x2x is a joke, I bet they won't even fix the camera processing junk post portico update (amber+).
    Support with Microsoft is ALWAYS a mixed bag.

    Microsoft should take some cues from Apple. Can hate on iOS and iPhones all day but at least the support is top notch. For example, why can't we get "Hey Cortana" functionality when plugged into an outlet?
    DJCBS and MSFTisMIA like this.
    12-25-2014 11:34 PM
  11. supershi80's Avatar
    It's absulutly confirmed that for old lumia device the lumia denim upg is ONLY a OS upgrade (and NOT also fw upg). Is very simple to see if you go at this site:
    Availability in Europe - Nokia
    and compare fw version between cyan upd and denim upd from the same models
    12-26-2014 09:19 AM
  12. msirapian's Avatar
    It's absulutly confirmed that for old lumia device the lumia denim upg is ONLY a OS upgrade (and NOT also fw upg). Is very simple to see if you go at this site:
    Availability in Europe - Nokia
    and compare fw version between cyan upd and denim upd from the same models
    You don't know. I mean, I agree, so far, x20 devices are getting a minor Cyan update and latest GDR1.

    But the 930 got GDR1 ahead of Denim in October, so it may be a similar operation where OS is updated first.

    Plus there is a .1447.0001 firmware (so Cyan, but the difference is bigger that the incrementation you can see for 520 for instance) being tested on Finnish 1020 and 925. Microsoft said in early December that "it was an update to Cyan ahead of the Denim update".

    So nobody knows if ultimately, there will be a major FW upgrade (I mean, in versions) for let's say 1020. But for sure, it won't bring anything camera-wise.
    12-26-2014 11:50 AM
  13. Vitor Salvatore Pierce's Avatar
    Some things all Lumias could have received.
    As HDR and new algorithms images (the first, even Android low-ends like Moto E have and the second, ALL PHONES IN THE EARTH CAN HAVE)
    But why Microsoft did it?
    For you to buy a new Lumia.
    bryanibuan, MSFTisMIA and Yazen like this.
    12-26-2014 02:01 PM
  14. supershi80's Avatar
    You don't know. I mean, I agree, so far, x20 devices are getting a minor Cyan update and latest GDR1.

    But the 930 got GDR1 ahead of Denim in October, so it may be a similar operation where OS is updated first.

    Plus there is a .1447.0001 firmware (so Cyan, but the difference is bigger that the incrementation you can see for 520 for instance) being tested on Finnish 1020 and 925. Microsoft said in early December that "it was an update to Cyan ahead of the Denim update".

    So nobody knows if ultimately, there will be a major FW upgrade (I mean, in versions) for let's say 1020. But for sure, it won't bring anything camera-wise.
    Very Simple to see that the Denim upg only upgrade the OS (and not the FW), see this:

    Product Lumia 925 Description O2 Release Denim OS ver8.10.14176.243 Firmware version 3051.50009.1424.0005
    Product Lumia 925 Description T-Mobile Release Cyan OS version8.10.12393.890 Firmware version 3051.50009.1424.0007
    Last edited by supershi80; 12-26-2014 at 05:59 PM.
    12-26-2014 05:47 PM
  15. marratj's Avatar
    You don't know. I mean, I agree, so far, x20 devices are getting a minor Cyan update and latest GDR1.

    But the 930 got GDR1 ahead of Denim in October, so it may be a similar operation where OS is updated first.

    Plus there is a .1447.0001 firmware (so Cyan, but the difference is bigger that the incrementation you can see for 520 for instance) being tested on Finnish 1020 and 925. Microsoft said in early December that "it was an update to Cyan ahead of the Denim update".

    So nobody knows if ultimately, there will be a major FW upgrade (I mean, in versions) for let's say 1020. But for sure, it won't bring anything camera-wise.
    This is most likely the update for the freezing issues of the 925 & 1020 which Microsoft promised a few weeks ago in their support forums.
    12-26-2014 06:05 PM
  16. KhawarNadeem's Avatar
    Try default system camera. Not Lumia camera
    I do use it, and it's plenty fast. But the results don't come out the same way for me as they do for Lumia Camera. Maybe's it's placebo, I don't know. Or perhaps the Lumia Cam has better software processing (which after is what PureView is), and the stock camera doesn't take advantage of that.
    12-26-2014 09:30 PM
  17. supershi80's Avatar
    For me the only important thing is that MS solves the postprocessing issue introduce by Amber upgraded (and remained on Black and Cyan). With this My photos are not very sharp and with a horrible yellowish/greenish tint.

    Denim will not fix this incredibile issue :-((((((
    12-27-2014 03:33 AM
  18. mariusmuntean's Avatar
    This is most likely the update for the freezing issues of the 925 & 1020 which Microsoft promised a few weeks ago in their support forums.
    nope the fix is either not released or it's not working. I have Denim on my 1020 o2 germany and tge freezing issues are still present
    12-27-2014 06:34 AM
  19. msirapian's Avatar
    nope the fix is either not released or it's not working. I have Denim on my 1020 o2 germany and tge freezing issues are still present
    No you don't have Denim as a FW, you have GDR1 and the worst part is that you don't even have latest gdr1 like a simple 520. Your fw version is still in 1424.xxxx when the cyan update I mentioned and that is believed to fix the freezes is versioned 1447.xxxx

    So even if I've read above "it's easy to see denim won't change the fw", I insist: A Cyan update is being tested on FI 925 and 1020. All 925 or 1020 which have "received" denim are branded (O2), they got GDR1 (but not the latest version so no Cortana in Europe for instance) and they're still running 1424.xxxx firmware.

    I hope you guys with O2 variants will receive another update to catch up OS (latest GDR 1) and FW ;)
    12-27-2014 12:14 PM
  20. supershi80's Avatar
    No you don't have Denim as a FW, you have GDR1 and the worst part is that you don't even have latest gdr1 like a simple 520. Your fw version is still in 1424.xxxx when the cyan update I mentioned and that is believed to fix the freezes is versioned 1447.xxxx

    So even if I've read above "it's easy to see denim won't change the fw", I insist: A Cyan update is being tested on FI 925 and 1020. All 925 or 1020 which have "received" denim are branded (O2), they got GDR1 (but not the latest version so no Cortana in Europe for instance) and they're still running 1424.xxxx firmware.

    I hope you guys with O2 variants will receive another update to catch up OS (latest GDR 1) and FW ;)
    Denim for old x2x lumia device maintains the fw 1424 (the same of cyan)
    12-27-2014 05:09 PM
  21. msirapian's Avatar
    Supershi80: yes exactly what I'm saying since my first message. But again, 925 and 1020 have a "bigger" update to Cyan (third block version number change) being tested on FI variants only for a month now.

    And again, nobody knows does it mean no further denim FW update for this models (=fw of Cyan branch only) or not. When the 930 received officially gdr1 in October, it received a minor update to Cyan in the same time. So maybe it's the same for the older devices, gdr1 now with cyan update, and later a denim fw.

    Anyway what people will perceive from the update is gdr1 on these devices. Denim, if it exists for a 1020, would bring more under the hood features I presume (drivers, BT feature, this kind of things)

    Only reasonable stand on this is: wait and see :)
    12-28-2014 04:28 AM
  22. bryanibuan's Avatar
    Whatever Lumia 830 could do, I'm pretty sure it is possible for Lumia 920,925 and 928. It is just that Microsoft is not going to give it so that owners of those devices would buy a new Lumia. Well, the question is, if they're still buying a Lumia. This is not a good way of pushing people to get new devices.
    12-28-2014 04:54 AM
  23. supershi80's Avatar
    Supershi80: yes exactly what I'm saying since my first message. But again, 925 and 1020 have a "bigger" update to Cyan (third block version number change) being tested on FI variants only for a month now.

    And again, nobody knows does it mean no further denim FW update for this models (=fw of Cyan branch only) or not. When the 930 received officially gdr1 in October, it received a minor update to Cyan in the same time. So maybe it's the same for the older devices, gdr1 now with cyan update, and later a denim fw.

    Anyway what people will perceive from the update is gdr1 on these devices. Denim, if it exists for a 1020, would bring more under the hood features I presume (drivers, BT feature, this kind of things)

    Only reasonable stand on this is: wait and see :)
    This is the fw version of a 925:

    3051.50009.1424.0005

    For me the third block is 1424 and between cyan and Denim doesn't change ;-)
    12-28-2014 05:50 AM
  24. msirapian's Avatar
    Supershi80: you haven't read my first message entirely. The only 925 and 1020 which got updated are O2 branded. They didn't get the latest GDR1 but a previous version. I don't k ow why. But they have obviously a quick and dirty update.

    Now in the MS table of updates, check Finland, 1020 and 925, you'll see that both have ALREADY a 1447 serie Cyan fw. This was rolled out beginning of December and LumiaHelp on twitter said this firmware was being tested ahead of Denim.

    I believe this is the freeze bug fix firmware and that all unbranded 1020/925 will get it. I don't know why the branded versions (64GB for the 1020) have received an "obsolete" GDR 1 and a 1424.xxxx firmware.

    Probably because the 1447 is still being tested and that they needed to send out "denim"(a GDR1 in fact) for some 925 and 1020.

    So I'm sorry for the branded 925/1020 but latest firmware for 925 and 1020 is NOT the one you have, but the one available on Finnish country variant 925 and 1020.

    I hope it's clearer now.

    And as long as the 1447 firmware is not rolled out, I don't expect to see denim or GDR 1 on my unbranded 1020. 1447 contains a real difference (freeze fix) which requires REAL testing, hence the delay. The O2 variants received a quick gdr1 to make that update table look more complete to my eyes.

    Truth is that no unbranded Pureview device (920,925,1020,1520) has received a "Denim" update (even only a GDR 1 update). The branded examples you mention are exceptions and not representative to my eyes.

    So I repeat : wait and see ;)
    12-28-2014 02:00 PM
  25. supershi80's Avatar
    Supershi80: you haven't read my first message entirely. The only 925 and 1020 which got updated are O2 branded. They didn't get the latest GDR1 but a previous version. I don't k ow why. But they have obviously a quick and dirty update.

    Now in the MS table of updates, check Finland, 1020 and 925, you'll see that both have ALREADY a 1447 serie Cyan fw. This was rolled out beginning of December and LumiaHelp on twitter said this firmware was being tested ahead of Denim.

    I believe this is the freeze bug fix firmware and that all unbranded 1020/925 will get it. I don't know why the branded versions (64GB for the 1020) have received an "obsolete" GDR 1 and a 1424.xxxx firmware.

    Probably because the 1447 is still being tested and that they needed to send out "denim"(a GDR1 in fact) for some 925 and 1020.

    So I'm sorry for the branded 925/1020 but latest firmware for 925 and 1020 is NOT the one you have, but the one available on Finnish country variant 925 and 1020.

    I hope it's clearer now.

    And as long as the 1447 firmware is not rolled out, I don't expect to see denim or GDR 1 on my unbranded 1020. 1447 contains a real difference (freeze fix) which requires REAL testing, hence the delay. The O2 variants received a quick gdr1 to make that update table look more complete to my eyes.

    Truth is that no unbranded Pureview device (920,925,1020,1520) has received a "Denim" update (even only a GDR 1 update). The branded examples you mention are exceptions and not representative to my eyes.

    So I repeat : wait and see ;)
    Thanks, now I see that in Finland the firmware is different (an updated version). I hope, in the future, this firmware will be released to all other countries

    By now, at the end, Denim upd is only a OS upgrade without a fw upgrade then is like the DP 8.1.1 upgrade (without any camera improvemens) :-(
    Last edited by supershi80; 12-29-2014 at 06:33 PM.
    12-28-2014 04:56 PM
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