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  1. David Feifer's Avatar
    using the 8.1dp since it came out. For some reason neither chrome or ie are letting me edit my post to add. keep hitting the save button but nothing happens.
    10-15-2014 08:48 PM
  2. AR2186's Avatar
    That's because the Icon has both CDMA and GSM radios. The 930 only has GSM. Even if it had CDMA it wouldn't work without Verizon's permission. Also LTE isn't CDMA and as a result this problem is going to be over at the end of the decade when Verizon shuts down their 3g network. You also can't get the Icon to work on Sprint either for the same reason. It would need Sprint's keys to work.
    At this point, its likely they are the exact same phones with a different firmware on
    them to allow different frequencies and different technologies. It doesn't make sense for Qualcomm to manufacture CDMA specific chips now that they have to incorporate the GSM and LTE radios for global roaming and LTE. Just look at the iPhone 6, the AT&T iPhone and Verizon iPhone are the same model, but the VZW is unlocked and allows CDMA. Apple uses a Qualcomm radio/modem in the iPhone, so clearly the techology is there
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    10-15-2014 10:55 PM
  3. gernerttl's Avatar
    I remember reading this, that WCDMA is not compatible with Verizon... CDMA requires a KEY that Verizon puts on their phones, so you cant just take another CDMA phone and run it on Verizon....For example a Sprint phone....

    I could be wrong but, from what I remember, Japan is WCDMA and it's different than Verizon...

    So, the 930 might work on AT&T or TMO but, getting it to work on Verizon with 8.1 installed is not going to happen...
    It wouldn't work on CDMA networks in India either, unless they are partnered with VZW. Verizon does partner with non-US carriers to allow customers to use their phones over seas.
    10-15-2014 11:21 PM
  4. AR2186's Avatar
    It wouldn't work on CDMA networks in India either, unless they are partnered with VZW. Verizon does partner with non-US carriers to allow customers to use their phones over seas.
    Verizon does, but not through CDMA. Roaming occurs over GSM networks, with the possible exception of Spring in the US for domestic roaming agreements
    10-16-2014 07:00 AM
  5. JK75's Avatar
    Verizon and Microsoft are really close to killing the WP ecosystem for me. With the announcement of the Nexus 6 yesterday, I am really close to scrapping the Icon and Verizon and buying the Nexus 6 when it comes out and using it on AT&T. This plan seems to have all the positives and none of the negatives of Icon/WP:

    • Flagship-caliber hardware
    • Updates directly from Google
    • Excellent app support
    • Microsoft apps for XBox Music, Outlook.com, OneDrive
    • Wireless charging
    • Being able to tell Verizon to shove off


    The only thing I would really miss is Cortana, I think. Anyone see anything I am not considering?
    10-16-2014 10:55 AM
  6. awilliams1701's Avatar
    Even if its true it doesn't matter. Verizon has to add the CDMA keys to the firmware or it won't work.

    At this point, its likely they are the exact same phones with a different firmware on
    them to allow different frequencies and different technologies. It doesn't make sense for Qualcomm to manufacture CDMA specific chips now that they have to incorporate the GSM and LTE radios for global roaming and LTE. Just look at the iPhone 6, the AT&T iPhone and Verizon iPhone are the same model, but the VZW is unlocked and allows CDMA. Apple uses a Qualcomm radio/modem in the iPhone, so clearly the techology is there
    10-16-2014 11:05 AM
  7. MikeSo's Avatar
    Even if its true it doesn't matter. Verizon has to add the CDMA keys to the firmware or it won't work.
    What won't work? I'm confused. :) You said "The 930 and 929(Icon) aren't the same phone because of the CDMA radio. You can't interchange the firmware. Calling it the same phone would never hold up in court." That argument wouldn't work if they are indeed the same phone. We don't know what is required to make it work on Verizon (this "CDMA keys" business), but I seriously doubt that it is something terribly complicated. They might very well be using the exact same firmware.
    10-16-2014 11:37 AM
  8. awilliams1701's Avatar
    I'm saying if it was possible to put the 930 firmware on the Icon (its not) and it actually had a CDMA radio (someone was claiming this because apparently the iphone on AT&T does) then it wouldn't work on Verizon anyway because you need the CDMA keys in the firmware. I promise there are no firmware ROMs for the 930 that have Verizon's CMDA keys. Even if the only real difference between the Cyan Icon firmware and the 930 firmware was the inclusion of Verizon's CDMA keys that difference alone is enough to ensure the phone won't work on Verizon.

    What won't work? I'm confused. :) You said "The 930 and 929(Icon) aren't the same phone because of the CDMA radio. You can't interchange the firmware. Calling it the same phone would never hold up in court." That argument wouldn't work if they are indeed the same phone. We don't know what is required to make it work on Verizon (this "CDMA keys" business), but I seriously doubt that it is something terribly complicated. They might very well be using the exact same firmware.
    10-16-2014 12:39 PM
  9. Mr. Brown's Avatar
    Have you guys tried posting questions on the Verizon Wireless Facebook page? It might help if we all do.
    https://www.facebook.com/verizon
    10-16-2014 12:41 PM
  10. DavidinCT's Avatar
    This is what we heard about Lumia Denim update roll-out. | NPU

    Denim to start shipping next week according to NOKIAPOWERUSER....not sure on how reliable they are but, It might be why Verizon has been holding out.

    Maybe the ICON will be re-released in a few weeks....

    If Verizon **IS** going to support Windows Phone, I would not be sure why they would drop the ICON, with Denim, your getting 4K video recording, Fast pictures, "Hey Cortnana" with out touching the phone....features that even not all your flagship Android devices have.

    Never mind the camera is one of the best cameras on any phone that Verizon carries...
    10-16-2014 12:47 PM
  11. MikeSo's Avatar
    I'm saying if it was possible to put the 930 firmware on the Icon (its not) and it actually had a CDMA radio (someone was claiming this because apparently the iphone on AT&T does) then it wouldn't work on Verizon anyway because you need the CDMA keys in the firmware. I promise there are no firmware ROMs for the 930 that have Verizon's CMDA keys. Even if the only real difference between the Cyan Icon firmware and the 930 firmware was the inclusion of Verizon's CDMA keys that difference alone is enough to ensure the phone won't work on Verizon.
    We must be talking past eachother.
    10-16-2014 01:06 PM
  12. lylone's Avatar
    Have you guys tried posting questions on the Verizon Wireless Facebook page? It might help if we all do.
    https://www.facebook.com/verizon
    Been there done that. sick of hearing how exciting new updates are and if we might get it. Then directed to some Verizon News site.
    10-16-2014 01:37 PM
  13. arbyjr's Avatar
    Did I miss cyan?
    wp_ss_20141016_0001.jpg
    10-16-2014 01:48 PM
  14. grafixguy#AC's Avatar
    That's a glitch in the settings and extras app that was updated today. Get out of it and get back in and you'll black again.
    10-16-2014 01:58 PM
  15. arbyjr's Avatar
    no, its still showing mine as denim?

    even after a restart of the phone it's still "denim"...
    10-16-2014 02:02 PM
  16. TheRickshaw's Avatar
    It doesn't make any sense, because it's nonsense. Their pretense that their Windows Phone users can simply be ignored has no defense. I dare say that Verizon is, in fact, trying to incense, and will offer no recompense.
    (hmm, this wound up no where near the item I was replying to)
    Last edited by TheRickshaw; 10-16-2014 at 02:10 PM. Reason: Reply not near OP
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    10-16-2014 02:08 PM
  17. jazz70's Avatar
    10-16-2014 02:08 PM
  18. arbyjr's Avatar
    Ok thank you for that link and I'm reading it right now, but what ever I do like close out or restart the phone it still says Lumia Denim, so how do I get this to "switch" back to black,
    10-16-2014 02:20 PM
  19. AR2186's Avatar
    Verizon and Microsoft are really close to killing the WP ecosystem for me. With the announcement of the Nexus 6 yesterday, I am really close to scrapping the Icon and Verizon and buying the Nexus 6 when it comes out and using it on AT&T. This plan seems to have all the positives and none of the negatives of Icon/WP:

    • Flagship-caliber hardware
    • Updates directly from Google
    • Excellent app support
    • Microsoft apps for XBox Music, Outlook.com, OneDrive
    • Wireless charging
    • Being able to tell Verizon to shove off


    The only thing I would really miss is Cortana, I think. Anyone see anything I am not considering?
    The 1520 is the same size as the Nexus 6, so just buy the unlocked 1520.3 and get the same AT&T service and the full benefits of Windows Phone.
    10-16-2014 02:31 PM
  20. anon(9079832)'s Avatar
    I manage my company's cell phone account with Verizon and recently inquired with our Business Account Executive thinking that he might have more information than the usual CSR's you encounter when calling Verizon customer service. I specifically asked if the Lumia Icon (929) would be getting an OS update from 8.0 to 8.1 (or Cyan). He forwarded my request to someone else in the organization (theoretically more knowledgeable than he) and the response was that the Icon will get the update to 8.1 and that it would be hopefully soon.

    Who knows what soon means or even 8.1 (i.e., is it Cyan or Denim)? But I am comforted that someone on their corporate side actually responded and affirmed that the software will be updated. Take it for what it is worth.
    10-16-2014 04:11 PM
  21. Trent Vann's Avatar
    I'm wondering why my extras+info has an "Device activation client 1.4.2.9" listed in it and yours doesn't Jazz70
    10-16-2014 08:21 PM
  22. quantum tao's Avatar
    I want my extras and info app to say denim. please fix it.
    10-16-2014 08:59 PM
  23. jazz70's Avatar
    I'm wondering why my extras+info has an "Device activation client 1.4.2.9" listed in it and yours doesn't Jazz70
    that is a repost of the picture arbyjr posted but on my Extras + Info screen I don't see any line referring to "device activation client" (I am running the DP with the black firmware)

    I would guess it has to do with activating your phone on the cellular carrier network but I don't see it anywhere on my screen
    10-16-2014 09:07 PM
  24. Trent Vann's Avatar
    Sorry I missed that on the repost. Just curious, if you are updated on the developer preview what should your OS and Firmware versions read?
    10-16-2014 09:18 PM
  25. arbyjr's Avatar
    My phone is on the developer preview also, but I have restarted the phone several times and it's still showing Lumia Denim.
    I was in the car when I got the upgrade notification, and it was about 2 hours before I was able to post this pic, that's why the screen time is showing 2:3x,
    I just got finished talked to my Microsoft rep this morning, and he was not sure why VZW has pulled the ICON (or he couldn't talk about it), anyways he told me that if you go with the developer preview, the warranty will not be voided, and if VZW does give any problems, any Microsoft store will down grade your phone to 8.0 no questions asked. He played with my phone for a few minutes then I left, and about 30 minutes later I got the notification,
    After that I talked to a Verizon rep, and she said the the Nokia tables just updates to 8.1 on the 7 th, (or should have) and even though the ICON is not listed it's showing that an update is coming soon.
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    10-16-2014 09:39 PM
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