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  1. Nogitsune Micah's Avatar
    Hmm... Interesting. I have the 8X still and I'd have the Icon of it were still available through Verizon. I'm fully intending to wait until next fall but I never thought of it as maybe a contractually obliged thing where MS takes the time to develop their true flagship and gives other players a chance to try out the market.

    I feel bad for not getting the M8 considering they will likely say it failed and they will stop making Windows devices, but it is still a nice way to get people to look at the OS knowing the hardware is on par.

    Btw I was at Target shopping the other night and saw that TMobile was the only carrier on display with a Windows phone. It adjusted to be a 5xx Nokia for prepaid.

    AT&T had the M8, just not for Windows.
    Why feel bad? You shouldn't feel bad not getting a phone if you don't want it. I am a bit annoyed if Microsoft did purposely delayed any release of a flagship simply because

    A. Nokia alone wouldn't have done that
    B. The majority should not be punished to appease a very small minority

    My icon has been having battery heating issues lately, so I took it in today to order a replacement. I knew there were several upgrades available on my families account, and I had been thinking for days about whether or not to switch to the m8. Here is what I thought. Good things about m8: new phone, 8.1 comes on it, good specs. Good things about icon: wireless charging, great camera, gets Lumia updates, also good specs. Now the pros and cons was partially what made me decide to keep my icon (which is what I did). It was mostly wireless charging and Lumia updates. But I was also happy with my icon and didn't mind keeping the same model and saved our upgrades for my family.
    Well with Denim.....those good points about the M8 are no longer irrelevant. Aside from the specs :D

    But yeah Lumia Camera, Wireless charging and the Support of Microsoft is what make Lumias the ONLY buy for Windows phone for most of us.
    12-22-2014 10:11 AM
  2. garak0410's Avatar
    I feel the same way. Anything not Lumia is not a Windows Phone to me...It's just 'one of the others" as I refer to them :P
    I always get my friends and family on Windows phone and thankfully with all the low end stuff Microsoft is throwing out, I really have no need to suggest them much of anything else.

    However I did suggest my friend the Blue HD phone that he got...He wanted something cheap but with a front facing camera. But he winded up returning it and managed to scoop a Lumia 920 offline from Amazon off contract.

    The only downside is steering family and friends who want a high end Windows Phone to the Lumia 1520. I have more difficulty but I did manage to steer my friend towards the Samsung Ativ SE over the M8 thankfully.


    Again those do not make it an overall phone as you M8 owners try to make it out to be. Ever since the M8's release and the unfortunate discontinuation of the Icon, which I do believe is because of the M8 and it is unfortunate that owners who want a Windows phone have to settle for Less with the M8...though thankfully the Samsung ATIV Se is still an option(It's why I remind people of it) and unlike the BS that people spew against the Icon, the Samsung ATIV Se has nearly the same exact specs and Pros of the M8 :) Save the overrated speakers.

    No I wouldn't say the speakers are an improvement. While nice to have, it is not something that I forsee a lot of people in the mainstream really buying a phone for. It's one of those "Oh, I have that feature.. That's pretty cool."

    VS
    An amazing Camera which in this day an age of Snapchat, Instagram, tumblr and Youtube/Vine is prevalent and a much more used features. Having speakers on the front honestly make the phone look worse to me and I really hope Microsoft does not do this. I want them on the back.

    an SD card slot, I have on my Lumia 1520 and you know why it only matters to me? Because Unfortunately, Att gimped the Lumia 1520 with 16 GB so I NEED the SD card slot if I want to have apps and music and photos and videos on my phone.

    But for the Lumia 930/Icon...No it lacking it and the M8 having it does not make it a lesser phone or the M8 better. Again, it's one of those features where it's nice to have but not a killer feature.

    When the Majority of iPhones that are sold are I believe 16 GB or the 32 GB models...that should tell you that not everyone cares about an SD card :)

    Furthermore, about the processor....it's 801 vs 800....not 805 vs 800. You people do love to hold that against it and really it is irrelevant. I could see if the icon had 400 or even 200 and we were comparing. The differences are trivial.

    That's nice if you think the M8 is better than the Icon. Most people don't. I certainly don't. It's a lesser device from a Lesser OEM and it is not a phone that the masses want :)

    And with the Denim update plus Hey Cortana, unless M8 gets Hey Cortana....which hopefully Microsoft wont, the Lumia 930/Icon will once again be the de facto standard and flagship alongside the Samsung Ativ Se. Two phones with very little compromises :)
    Good comments...I am actually now a little hopeful that my ICON will have a lot more life left to it with Denim coming "early 2015" though I wish they said what "early" meant...I actually have a Brand New ICON sitting on the shelf here and I plan on not doing Dev. Preview on it and loading the pure Denim on it when it comes out and it will be by daily driver. But that said, if Dev. Preview for Windows 10 for phone comes out, may be tempted to put it on there.
    12-22-2014 10:40 AM
  3. bmetelsky's Avatar

    The only downside is steering family and friends who want a high end Windows Phone to the Lumia 1520. I have more difficulty but I did manage to steer my friend towards the Samsung Ativ SE over the M8 thankfully.


    Again those do not make it an overall phone as you M8 owners try to make it out to be. Ever since the M8's release and the unfortunate discontinuation of the Icon, which I do believe is because of the M8 and it is unfortunate that owners who want a Windows phone have to settle for Less with the M8...though thankfully the Samsung ATIV Se is still an option(It's why I remind people of it) and unlike the BS that people spew against the Icon, the Samsung ATIV Se has nearly the same exact specs and Pros of the M8 :) Save the overrated speakers.

    No I wouldn't say the speakers are an improvement. While nice to have, it is not something that I forsee a lot of people in the mainstream really buying a phone for. It's one of those "Oh, I have that feature.. That's pretty cool."

    VS
    An amazing Camera which in this day an age of Snapchat, Instagram, tumblr and Youtube/Vine is prevalent and a much more used features. Having speakers on the front honestly make the phone look worse to me and I really hope Microsoft does not do this. I want them on the back.

    an SD card slot, I have on my Lumia 1520 and you know why it only matters to me? Because Unfortunately, Att gimped the Lumia 1520 with 16 GB so I NEED the SD card slot if I want to have apps and music and photos and videos on my phone.

    But for the Lumia 930/Icon...No it lacking it and the M8 having it does not make it a lesser phone or the M8 better. Again, it's one of those features where it's nice to have but not a killer feature.

    When the Majority of iPhones that are sold are I believe 16 GB or the 32 GB models...that should tell you that not everyone cares about an SD card :)

    Furthermore, about the processor....it's 801 vs 800....not 805 vs 800. You people do love to hold that against it and really it is irrelevant. I could see if the icon had 400 or even 200 and we were comparing. The differences are trivial.

    That's nice if you think the M8 is better than the Icon. Most people don't. I certainly don't. It's a lesser device from a Lesser OEM and it is not a phone that the masses want :)

    And with the Denim update plus Hey Cortana, unless M8 gets Hey Cortana....which hopefully Microsoft wont, the Lumia 930/Icon will once again be the de facto standard and flagship alongside the Samsung Ativ Se. Two phones with very little compromises :)
    I am a former Icon owner, so can attest to the finer points of that phone, as outlined in my earlier post and other posts in this forum. Most of what you spew here is opinion, not fact. Just because you don't like the speakers on the front does not make them less than great speakers. You will not find another phone that has such great sound without headphones or use of an external speaker. Just because you don't believe there is a difference between the processors does not make it so. If there was a phone that came in two models, had exactly the same features, but one had an SD slot, which would most people choose?

    I realize that I am posting this in the Icon forum so there is bound to be some push back. What I am really trying to say is that I believe it is o.k. to choose and like a phone without demeaning another. The M8 is not an inferior Windows phone. More companies than Lumia/Microsoft make Windows phones. I wish that you would stop with the M8 hate.
    12-22-2014 11:14 AM
  4. Nogitsune Micah's Avatar
    I never said that the speakers on the front make them less than great speakers. I can admit that they are in some ways better than the Lumia speakers and yet I don't think that it makes it a better phone than the Icon because it has Front spekaers, an IR blaster, SD card and a marginally better processor that offers little to no difference in performance in the 1520(Which I have) and the 930/icon.

    The point I am trying to make is that if we take them at face values...M8 owners want to try and make this phone out to be the FLAGSHIP because it launches with 8.1.1 and has those above features. Well the Icon/930 now has or will have 8.1.1 and it's already superb features it has over the M8 with Black(or Cyan for the 930) will be enhanced even greater. Namely the Camera first and foremost.

    At face Value, both phones are equal and on par with each other and it is laughable when an M8 owner tries to dismiss the Icon/930 and make the M8 the sole Flagship of 2014 when in reality it isn't and then get defensive when you point out that phone's shortcomings. Or dismiss the 1520 because it is "too big"...Yet it still likely has sold/will sell more than the M8 will on 3 carriers to Att being the only one selling the 1520.

    And when you put in the Lumia Apps and Microsoft support That alone propels the Icon/Lumia devices above the M8. That is not an opinion. that's a fact.....Choosing an OEM that you know will support the device for a longer time, brings exclusive features(Hey Cortana) from the start(the M8 may get it eventually...I hope not) and exclusive apps vs the OEM who has a horrible track record and up until recently started showing signs of being marginally better than they were the previous three years.


    There is no "hate" it's called being critical. I am aware that more than Lumia/Microsoft make Windows phone. But I am also aware that it is obvious most people don't want those phones. There's a reason that Samsung and HTC high end phones never actually sell well. Because nobody wants them except a small minority. That's not hate. That's being realistic.

    I also don't support any OEM who can't be asked to bring a unique design or at least give it a unique name to avoid confusion for their phones and instead release android rehashes(except i'll excuse it in the low end market). And then when they bring the Android rehash, the phone STILL is 2nd to the Android model. If I read correctly, the M8 windows actually still lacks certain things the Android version lacks making it inferior to its sister phone.

    Again that's me being realistic and I'm sorry if you take it as hate.

    I am a former Icon owner, so can attest to the finer points of that phone, as outlined in my earlier post and other posts in this forum. Most of what you spew here is opinion, not fact. Just because you don't like the speakers on the front does not make them less than great speakers. You will not find another phone that has such great sound without headphones or use of an external speaker. Just because you don't believe there is a difference between the processors does not make it so. If there was a phone that came in two models, had exactly the same features, but one had an SD slot, which would most people choose?

    I realize that I am posting this in the Icon forum so there is bound to be some push back. What I am really trying to say is that I believe it is o.k. to choose and like a phone without demeaning another. The M8 is not an inferior Windows phone. More companies than Lumia/Microsoft make Windows phones. I wish that you would stop with the M8 hate.
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    12-22-2014 11:27 AM
  5. bmetelsky's Avatar
    The point I am trying to make is that if we take them at face values...M8 owners want to try and make this phone out to be the FLAGSHIP because it launches with 8.1.1 and has those above features. Well the Icon/930 now has or will have 8.1.1 and it's already superb features it has over the M8 with Black(or Cyan for the 930) will be enhanced even greater. Namely the Camera first and foremost.
    I don't see M8 owners trying to do that. I see you trying to cram down users throats that it is an inferior windows phone, which is not true.
    12-22-2014 11:40 AM
  6. bmetelsky's Avatar
    At face Value, both phones are equal and on par with each other and it is laughable when an M8 owner tries to dismiss the Icon/930 and make the M8 the sole Flagship of 2014 when in reality it isn't and then get defensive when you point out that phone's shortcomings.
    I agree with you that the phones are equal with the exception of the Icon's camera, which is better. I disagree again that owners are trying to make the M8 the sole Flagship of 2014.
    12-22-2014 11:43 AM
  7. bmetelsky's Avatar
    And when you put in the Lumia Apps and Microsoft support That alone propels the Icon/Lumia devices above the M8. That is not an opinion. that's a fact.....Choosing an OEM that you know will support the device for a longer time, brings exclusive features(Hey Cortana) from the start(the M8 may get it eventually...I hope not) and exclusive apps vs the OEM who has a horrible track record and up until recently started showing signs of being marginally better than they were the previous three years.
    It propels the Lumia/Icon devices in your opinion. I rarely used apps on my Icon that were Nokia/Lumia specific. This will also likely be the case with my M8.
    Not sure why you would hope that "Hey Cortana" feature stays exclusive to the Lumia high end phones, but to each their own, I guess...

    One of my first windows phones was the HTC Star Trek. It was a great phone. My next was another HTC windows phone (I don't remember the name now but it was also a clam shell windows phone). I've never had any bad experiences with HTC and am hoping that with the purchase of my M8 that it is the renewal of another long relationship.

    I would highly recommend both the Lumia Icon and the HTC One M8 for Windows.
    12-22-2014 11:54 AM
  8. Nogitsune Micah's Avatar
    I don't see M8 owners trying to do that. I see you trying to cram down users throats that it is an inferior windows phone, which is not true.
    I agree with you that the phones are equal with the exception of the Icon's camera, which is better. I disagree again that owners are trying to make the M8 the sole Flagship of 2014.
    Of course you don't. It's the Icon forum so they wouldn't say it here. Usually on the Articles or the posts where they downgrade or downplay the Icon since it was on black....with no sign of cyan or denim....guess they lost that argument..

    :)
    I am not trying to cram anything down anyone's throat. But I do want to make sure Lumias are recognized for their qualities and make sure that people that want windows phone make sure they get the best with little compromises :) Which is Lumia.
    12-22-2014 11:58 AM
  9. dkediger's Avatar
    Well essentially what it comes down to is front facing speakers and SD storage versus wireless charging and camera quality. As well as HTC versus Nokia brand rep if you want to include that as well.

    I can't imagine having another phone without wireless charging, personally. It better be a pretty damn nice phone for me to give that feature up after having nearly 2 years experience with it with a 928 and now Icon.
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    12-22-2014 12:07 PM
  10. bmetelsky's Avatar
    But I do want to make sure Lumias are recognized for their qualities and make sure that people that want windows phone make sure they get the best with little compromises :) Which is Lumia.
    I disagree that because a phone is a Lumia it is "the best with little compromises." There are a lot of Lumia's that I wouldn't even consider for myself. I also think that if someone is looking for a Windows phone they should look at all that are available to them and compare features, then pick the one that they think is a good fit for their needs.
    12-22-2014 12:13 PM
  11. bmetelsky's Avatar
    I can't imagine having another phone without wireless charging, personally. It better be a pretty damn nice phone for me to give that feature up after having nearly 2 years experience with it with a 928 and now Icon.
    I don't have to imagine it, because this is exactly what I've done. The phone is "a pretty damn nice phone". :)
    12-22-2014 12:16 PM
  12. kwright62's Avatar
    Icon with 8.1. I've got a friend with the M8 and recommend it to all Windows users as it comes with 8.1. It has a great on screen keyboard and is very light. I'm waiting on 10 and the 1520 replacement. If it isn't on Verizon I'll jump ship to AT&T.
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    12-22-2014 12:18 PM
  13. dkediger's Avatar
    I don't have to imagine it, because this is exactly what I've done. The phone is "a pretty damn nice phone". :)
    I don't doubt that, and if I was in the market today, I would probably get the M8. I'm in a traditional contract which runs until August, which will likely be a good time to consider options as WP10 devices will likely be known by then, or shortly after.
    12-22-2014 12:47 PM
  14. Nogitsune Micah's Avatar
    I disagree that because a phone is a Lumia it is "the best with little compromises." There are a lot of Lumia's that I wouldn't even consider for myself. I also think that if someone is looking for a Windows phone they should look at all that are available to them and compare features, then pick the one that they think is a good fit for their needs.
    Well tthankfully we have various lumias that give pele variety. As I said the market has spoken and chosen Lumia much like they choose galaxy for android. :)
    12-22-2014 01:01 PM
  15. CodeGunnerDevelopment's Avatar
    Here is the reality at work...we are an iPhone/Windows Phone shop. I've lost 4 people to the iPhone6 from Windows Phone, mainly due to the lack of a flagship model. They wanted the ICON but it was cancelled, so they went iPhone6. They miss the live tiles but they are content. Me, I am ready for a Verizon based update to the 1020. That is what I want...I'm not ready to bolt to iPhone...and I am somewhat hopeful we may see Windows 10 for phone late January if we are lucky via the Dev. Preview...I still am also hopeful we will get Cyan for the ICON...got to remain positive, eh?
    As much as I would love to see Windows 10 for Phone in the developer preview I honestly don't think that we will realistically see a developer preview till the Microsoft Build conference or after like they've done in the past for Windows and Windows Phone IMO. So really I don't expect anything as far as that till April/May 2015. As far as the main topic of this discussion the only way that I would leave my ICON is if I switched carriers to AT&T or T-Mobile. I wouldn't touch the One M8 if it was the last phone on the planet. I love the ICON's camera too much to do that, but then again what do you expect from someone who's an amateur photographer.
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    12-22-2014 08:06 PM
  16. Nogitsune Micah's Avatar
    As much as I would love to see Windows 10 for Phone in the developer preview I honestly don't think that we will realistically see a developer preview till the Microsoft Build conference or after like they've done in the past for Windows and Windows Phone IMO. So really I don't expect anything as far as that till April/May 2015. As far as the main topic of this discussion the only way that I would leave my ICON is if I switched carriers to AT&T or T-Mobile. I wouldn't touch the One M8 if it was the last phone on the planet. I love the ICON's camera too much to do that, but then again what do you expect from someone who's an amateur photographer.
    CodeGunnerDevelopment
    Very nice :)
    12-22-2014 09:27 PM
  17. Marquis de Faux's Avatar
    Thanks...just need to be patient and HOPEFUL Verizon will get another Flagship...I'd buy an unlocked phone of another model if they worked with Verizon which they really do not..
    Verizon has enough darned flagships. T-Mobile needs flagships. Sprint needs flagships.
    01-02-2015 02:55 PM
  18. Indistinguishable's Avatar
    I've had an upgrade available for two months. And my contract is up in one month.

    The reasons I haven't gone for the HTC M8 are: 1.) I love my Icon way too much to abandon it. 2.) I'm likely going to AT&T when my contract is up due to how poorly Verizon has treated their WP users. So it'd be a bit silly for me to re-sign a contract.
    01-02-2015 03:11 PM
  19. tgp's Avatar
    Thanks...just need to be patient and HOPEFUL Verizon will get another Flagship...I'd buy an unlocked phone of another model if they worked with Verizon which they really do not..
    Maybe Microsoft will do something like Google did with the Nexus 6; a single unlocked device for all 5 US carriers, and 3 of them are CDMA. That would be ideal! As far as I know the Nexus 6 is the first device in history to be able to do that.
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    01-02-2015 03:15 PM
  20. drufranco's Avatar
    I switched to the M8 and it is a good phone but already I am looking for the next Windows phone to be released by Verizon. I have no loyalties to the makers, just the phone that can sport the current Windows OS with no delays and runs well. I don't care if it is a flagship or not. I can edge up every 8 months and intend to do so with whoever releases a desirable phone that works on Verizon with the latest bells and whistles (actually I am hoping for a bigger phone, 5.5" vs. 4.7" or 5"). I couldn't wait on hopes, wishes, prayers, rumors, and promises for cyan now to be denim to be released for the Icon to fix the issues I was having with the DP. (Though I really do miss that camera)
    Anyways it is 2015 and I am hoping for some great Windows phone releases and hopefully to Verizon. If not I may have to consider moving to another carrier that is more Windows phone friendly...
    01-06-2015 12:47 PM
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