View Poll Results: do we need shorter release cycles for major updates?

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  • yes, mango is not enough for a year

    19 32.20%
  • no, mango added enough, keep it this way

    11 18.64%
  • I prefer small but frequent (3-4month) updates

    29 49.15%
10-10-2011 10:19 PM
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  1. jim_h's Avatar
    u do not need flash. and its not MS fault that it's not in wp7 yet, complain and whine to adobe about it. while ur at it ask the iPhone users how they feel about flash, ask the android users how well flash runs on their devices, or better yet ask any PC user how many times their browser crashed that was related to flash. no matter how many times Adobe updates flash it will always be an unstable resource hog and the faster the web devs adopt html5 the better off we will be.
    I am pretty sure this was an MS decision, same as at Apple, and that i was basically a political/competetive move rather than a technical decision. Maybe MS should have set a cutoff date in the future. Because right now there are way too many sites that I try to use, which need Flash.
    10-06-2011 01:42 PM
  2. selfcreation's Avatar
    Wp7 will NEVER have flash just like Iphone will NEVER have it ether.
    i personally HATE flash never had good experience with it.

    FLASH = HD DVD
    HTML5 = Blue ray (winner)

    hehe... or BetA and VHS whatever example you like better :)
    10-06-2011 01:45 PM
  3. jim_h's Avatar
    The smart phone market isn't very impressed when MS says "don't worry, all those sites will recode with HTML5, it will only take a year or two." One more reason Android is gaining.
    10-06-2011 01:48 PM
  4. theman60099's Avatar
    I am pretty sure this was an MS decision, same as at Apple, and that i was basically a political/competetive move rather than a technical decision. Maybe MS should have set a cutoff date in the future. Because right now there are way too many sites that I try to use, which need Flash.
    it was NOT an MS decision, they do NOT make flash! they have even said that flash is coming. why can't u understand that. the sites I use have an additional html5 component and it runs much better than flash. so congrats u just won another down vote from me.
    10-06-2011 01:49 PM
  5. selfcreation's Avatar
    it was NOT an MS decision, they do NOT make flash! they have even said that flash is coming. why can't u understand that. the sites I use have an additional html5 component and it runs much better than flash. so congrats u just won another down vote from me.
    actually it was.

    Apple doesn’t make flash but they still decided not to add it , just like MS hasten added flash

    the last Claim from adobe saying they where gona bring flash to WP7 was in august 2010... sayign we gona give flash to wp7 starting on launch day....... so 1 year later and 2 upgrade .. still no flash!


    Microsoft`s Andy Lees said:


    "It's not a religious thing; we support standard H.264 video in the browser. We're not allergic to Flash, we're not allergic to Silverlight, we're not allergic to HTML5 – but this [Windows Phone 7 browser] doesn't support it," he told TechRadar.

    "We don't have the extensibility model inside the browser for those pieces and when you see the future I think you'll understand why."


    If you read the last statement it sound like MS said NO to flash.
    10-06-2011 02:19 PM
  6. blackhawk556's Avatar
    you're off the chain,mango is fine, I just need the Skype integration and transit directions in the Bing and then it's done. already it is way more than enough to compete with Android and iOS especially since they didn't really add anything.
    this is where you're wrong. Just because you need Skype and transit direction doesn't mean that the majority of the people do as well. I have zero need transit stuff so just because I don't need it, doesn't mean you don't need it. MS needs to add more features soon so that the majority of people have access to them.

    frequent updates will show critics that MS is ready to fight and are not slow or out of touch.
    10-06-2011 03:38 PM
  7. mapexvenus's Avatar
    this is where you're wrong. Just because you need Skype and transit direction doesn't mean that the majority of the people do as well. I have zero need transit stuff so just because I don't need it, doesn't mean you don't need it. MS needs to add more features soon so that the majority of people have access to them.

    frequent updates will show critics that MS is ready to fight and are not slow or out of touch.
    What we *really* need is for MS to push Mango to all handsets on all carriers ASAP. There are several device out there that haven't received the update, and it is not possible for force the updates on these devices either because the updates are unavailable.
    10-06-2011 05:10 PM
  8. Umm Yeah's Avatar
    You can't just have a "major update" though. What are you going to put in it? Stuff like Apple's Siri doesn't spring up overnight.
    Right! You have to buy it! Apple Buys Siri, A Mobile Assistant App, As War With Google Heats Up - Business Insider
    10-06-2011 05:55 PM
  9. Winterfang's Avatar
    Errg we had gotten 2 big updates in one year. Next year we will get Tango and Apollo. That sounds pretty darn good.
    10-06-2011 06:01 PM
  10. theman60099's Avatar
    this is where you're wrong. Just because you need Skype and transit direction doesn't mean that the majority of the people do as well. I have zero need transit stuff so just because I don't need it, doesn't mean you don't need it. MS needs to add more features soon so that the majority of people have access to them.

    frequent updates will show critics that MS is ready to fight and are not slow or out of touch.
    We already have features that in other OSes u need an app for. and there are 2 tango updates coming before Apollo so that's 3 updates. what more can u ask for? and besides android hasn't finished with the gingerbread update, look at the article on the front page. I sure would love to see how the ICS rollout is going to go.
    10-06-2011 06:17 PM
  11. WayneDiesel34's Avatar
    this is where you're wrong. Just because you need Skype and transit direction doesn't mean that the majority of the people do as well. I have zero need transit stuff so just because I don't need it, doesn't mean you don't need it. MS needs to add more features soon so that the majority of people have access to them.

    frequent updates will show critics that MS is ready to fight and are not slow or out of touch.
    Apparently Mango just doesn't cut it for you, so why not just go and find an OS that does?
    I mean it is easy for us to stand on the sidelines and complain about what MS is not doing.

    The only solutions that I see that you and other people complaining about WP7 phones/Mango update can do is either go get a job at MS to help design the updates your way, go get an iPhone or android phone, or (as one member said in another thread) go build your own phone.

    Nothing is perfect in the smartphone game. It is up to YOU to get what YOU want.

    There are people on here who talk bad about the Trophy. It doesn't bother me because it was the phone that I wanted. And as long as it does what I need it too do then I'm fine.
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    10-06-2011 06:19 PM
  12. cckgz4's Avatar
    You can't just have a "major update" though. What are you going to put in it? Stuff like Apple's Siri doesn't spring up overnight.

    What's really needed right now is hardware - apart from anything else, you can't keep squeezing more performance out of the same spec level.
    This or a way bigger marketing plan.

    Exactly. Average users (not us) are not buying WP devices because they don't know anything about them. What MS needs now is more exposure. Everything else will follow.

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    Thank you.

    People, I know on the internet, you feel like you have a certain obligation to be on the "winning" team and being that you're surrounded with all this information of new technology and fanboys, your device/OS feels irrelevant. But the same concerns and worries that you're spitting, they're spitting the SAME thing on Android and iOS forums when new stuff comes out as well. I really think people need to separate their feelings from what's actually happening
    10-07-2011 01:07 AM
  13. cckgz4's Avatar
    The smart phone market isn't very impressed when MS says "don't worry, all those sites will recode with HTML5, it will only take a year or two." One more reason Android is gaining.
    Right. Not being able to visit flash-enabled sites is the problem. /s
    10-07-2011 01:10 AM
  14. cckgz4's Avatar
    I should've kept multi-quoting to page 2

    What we *really* need is for MS to push Mango to all handsets on all carriers ASAP. There are several device out there that haven't received the update, and it is not possible for force the updates on these devices either because the updates are unavailable.
    Again, visit http://www.windowscentral.com and visit the article talking about how many devices are rocking Mango in 10 days (20%) versus how many Android devices have been updated to Gingerbread (36-38%) in the past 10 months. Once again, you people need to separate your feelings from reality


    you people= meaning those that hit submit before thinking about it
    10-07-2011 01:14 AM
  15. jesdt's Avatar
    @cckgz4 I think this forum also has the "edit" function.

    The poll doesn't make any sense. Because the OP finds the additions through Mango insufficient, he demands more frequent update in general? Microsoft is going to release real major updates each year, Apollo as WP8 -- Mango is just 7.5. You can't just make new OS versions out of thin air.

    This poll simply asks whether you are content with Mango or not, why not phrase it like this.
    10-07-2011 02:26 AM
  16. jhousden9's Avatar
    What we *really* need is for MS to push Mango to all handsets on all carriers ASAP. There are several device out there that haven't received the update, and it is not possible for force the updates on these devices either because the updates are unavailable.
    It is possible to get Mango on any WP7 handset. Look at the feed I have linked below. I did this and there is nothing wrong with my handset at all. I have a Samsung Omnia 7 on T-mobile (Deutsche Telekom), and they are one of the last phones to be updated as T-mobile are still testing, as all other providers are in the delivery stage. I did what it said on the link below, and I'm on Mango now. It downloads the update from the Zune application, so its official. :)

    http://forums.windowscentral.com/win...ion/181427.htm
    10-08-2011 08:06 AM
  17. blackhawk556's Avatar
    What I'm trying to say is that WP needs unique features that can not be added with apps. Siri and icloud features can not be added to say android/wp by simply downloading an app. TellMe has similar stuff to siri but it doesn't beat it. Its easy to tell someone to leave to another platform but no, I'm not going to. I like metro way more at this point than static icons, I just wish MS would have included more basic features than they did.
    Apparently Mango just doesn't cut it for you, so why not just go and find an OS that does?

    I mean it is easy for us to stand on the sidelines and complain about what MS is not doing.



    The only solutions that I see that you and other people complaining about WP7 phones/Mango update can do is either go get a job at MS to help design the updates your way, go get an iPhone or android phone, or (as one member said in another thread) go build your own phone.



    Nothing is perfect in the smartphone game. It is up to YOU to get what YOU want.



    There are people on here who talk bad about the Trophy. It doesn't bother me because it was the phone that I wanted. And as long as it does what I need it too do then I'm fine.

    Sent from my Samsung Focus using Board Express
    10-10-2011 07:21 PM
  18. blackhawk556's Avatar
    What we *really* need is for MS to push Mango to all handsets on all carriers ASAP. There are several device out there that haven't received the update, and it is not possible for force the updates on these devices either because the updates are unavailable.
    can you imagine if mango would have been pushed out to everyone and caused the same problem as nodo did with Samsung phones? People would have thrown the biggest BF and bloggers would stepped up the negative reports just to give MS bad press. MS played this one right and nailed it, they deserve a round of beers for this type of work.

    Sent from my Samsung Focus using Board Express
    10-10-2011 07:29 PM
  19. jfa1's Avatar
    Yes Mango went much better than nodo the next update will hopefully build on that and go even better. As far as the nest update continue to go to the MS site for features ain the next update and put your votes in for things you want in or modified. Week view seems to be drawing intreest in the forums here I hope its been mentioned a bunch in the voting for those that want it.
    10-10-2011 09:12 PM
  20. alphaxi3's Avatar
    The answer is not more updates, it is better advertising. The average user has no idea what these phones are capable of and would not use them even if they did. Half of them would not use them because they would not understand how to or would be to intimidated by them.

    MS needs to feature uses the phone is capable of that the average user is looking for, because they greatly outnumber us. We are a very small minority who if we never brought a WP7 phone would not be missed.
    10-10-2011 10:19 PM
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