11-22-2011 07:26 PM
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  1. selfcreation's Avatar
    Your first link is from the site detailing the changes in Mango state the FPS has been lifted from 30-60 so I would say your statements are based in more fact than sin_773
    and if you go to the OFFICIAL developer forum/web site for MS , a bunch of people confirm it ( people = developers that play with it every day )

    but like i said it is possible to make Infinit (according to them )

    ALSO! , according to them ( not me ) all first GEN phones are STUCK at 30 FPS even with mango , i dunno how true that is , but BOO ERRn if it is.
    11-21-2011 02:01 PM
  2. theefman's Avatar
    and if you go to the OFFICIAL developer forum/web site for MS , a bunch of people confirm it ( people = developers that play with it every day )

    but like i said it is possible to make Infinit (according to them )

    ALSO! , according to them ( not me ) all first GEN phones are STUCK at 30 FPS even with mango , i dunno how true that is , but BOO ERRn if it is.
    Think thats incorrect, wasnt Hydro Thunder updated to 60fps when it got updated for Mango? http://www.windowscentral.com/hydro-...e-all-mango-us. So far thought I think its the only one that has been updated to 60fps.
    11-21-2011 02:09 PM
  3. jrdatrackstar1223's Avatar
    Think thats incorrect, wasnt Hydro Thunder updated to 60fps when it got updated for Mango? http://www.windowscentral.com/hydro-...e-all-mango-us. So far thought I think its the only one that has been updated to 60fps.
    The framerate was fixed and released before Mango; it had something to do with resolution that they fixed in code behind the scenes (the game developer) and not because of the 60fps Manifest code. I know because I downloaded the new version on my Arrive and noticed the framerate difference (still not the best) a couple of weeks before Mango dropped. When Mango dropped they updated it again to take advantage of Mango, but the fps never changed.

    "The game is not 60fps, verified by code level. Also the native resolution is 400x240 then upscaled to 800x400 due the limited performance of the 1st Gen GPU.Somehow the code is optimized by the new SDK thus less frame skip but still less than 30fps most of time"

    I think the 60fps has to do with some games being "hand-drawn" (or some type of special drawing) that will overrule the fact that our hardware is too old to run at a smooth 60fps (Parachute Panic and Robot Riot run fine, where as Angry Birds and Fruit Ninja may not be able to run at 60fps because of the way their graphics are drawn)
    11-21-2011 03:27 PM
  4. condemned's Avatar
    the cap was removed in mango so now it's up to the game devs to take advantage of it. Once again u are misinformed
    WRONG. You are misinformed.

    Microsoft maxmized the cap to 60 fps in mango. It's still capped.

    So you're the one that's misinformed as I was correct all along.

    he said that games are capped at 30fps and I told him that such a cap was removed so therefore he's misinformed.
    I never said that games were capped at 30fps. I said that games were just capped. Seems like you were too busy trying to find a comeback that you overlooked that.

    Fail troll is fail once again
    11-21-2011 04:16 PM
  5. condemned's Avatar
    It's annoying that Microsoft can't even provide the update patches to the games that they tagged as "Microsoft X-Box Live Titles" to Mango. They made it sound so simple and that the 60fps comes "free out of the box" and that it's simply declaring in the manifest file (or w/e...don't remember of the top of my head, but I know it's basically a one-liner), yet they can't even update the apps and games that people will search for FIRST when using a WP7 device.

    The first games I looked for were Fruit Ninja and Angry Birds. After I started playing them it I was so upset. My wife's prepaid StraightTalk Android device runs Fruit Ninja at 60fps smooth, but the homescreen and entire OS lags like ****; it makes no sense that Microsoft hasn't updated these to 60fps by now (especially Kinnectimals, which they just released).
    Microsoft should market (as well as have carriers market) WP7 better to get more handsets in the hands of ppl because if they don't, devs will continue to look into iOS and Android, where they'll be making the most money due to their popularity.

    Also, all phones can lag. There isn't any one phone that won't. The iOS is the smoothest OS out there (no, WP7 is not smoother than iOS...I've owned and compared both) and it can still have its hiccups. Install iOS 4 or 5 on an original iPhone or a 3G and it's slower than a MyTouch running Eclair. Same with iOS5 on the 3GS.

    The problem with Android is that Google makes the OS and let's manufacturers put it on their phones, so that means Google doesn't code the OS on any specific devices. If Google made their own hardware and put Android on it, it would have all the GPU acceleration and glittery animations that are present on iOS, WP7 and BB7.

    Whether you like it or not, fragmentation is inevitable. Older hardware eventually cannot sustain newer and more advanced software. A lot of companies do this just to get you to spend money on newer hardware. It's kind of like Apple only allowing Siri on the 4s.

    Your wife's phone lagged because her phone lacks sufficient hardware. Like others said, Android is a resource hog compared to WP7. If her phone had 1GB of RAM there would probably be no lag.
    Last edited by condemned ; 11-21-2011 at 04:41 PM.
    11-21-2011 04:27 PM
  6. condemned's Avatar
    I agree i Like faster phones. RIGHT NOW WP runs fine on a single core processor. I would suspect that MS is working on dual core technology for WP and by the time weneed them they will have them for us. By that time I suspect that android will probably need quad or otcacore processors, and all the same people who pine and whine about not having dual core will be whining and pining for octacore devices because WP doesnt have them.
    That's because Microsoft released Windows phone 7 will hardware that was already becoming upgraded with Android and iOS.

    It helps a lot with marketing/getting phones into the hands of customers. All the while those phones are faster at completing tasks as well.
    11-21-2011 04:39 PM
  7. sin_nombre773's Avatar
    Scrolling
    Applications launch
    IE is horribly slot at times
    Music app when moving from one song to another
    Marketplace searching
    ...

    There are more, but I tend to overlook them. These are just the ones that I notice happening a lot. It's listed in order of how bad the problem is.
    I don't notice any lag in any of those on my HD7 or arrive. Maybe u need to switch to a faster carrier (T-mobile) or use WiFi.
    Microsoft should market (as well as have carriers market) WP7 better to get more handsets in the hands of ppl because if they don't, devs will continue to look into iOS and Android, where they'll be making the most money due to their popularity.

    Also, all phones can lag. There isn't any one phone that won't. The iOS is the smoothest OS out there (no, WP7 is not smoother than iOS...I've owned and compared both) and it can still have its hiccups. Install iOS 4 or 5 on an original iPhone or a 3G and it's slower than a MyTouch running Eclair. Same with iOS5 on the 3GS.

    The problem with Android is that Google makes the OS and let's manufacturers put it on their phones, so that means Google doesn't code the OS on any specific devices. If Google made their own hardware and put Android on it, it would have all the GPU acceleration and glittery animations that are present on iOS, WP7 and BB7.

    Whether you like it or not, fragmentation is inevitable. Older hardware eventually cannot sustain newer and more advanced software. A lot of companies do this just to get you to spend money on newer hardware. It's kind of like Apple only allowing Siri on the 4s.

    Your wife's phone lagged because her phone lacks sufficient hardware. Like others said, Android is a resource hog compared to WP7. If her phone had 1GB of RAM there would probably be no lag.
    whoa whoa wait a minute! How is WP7 not smoother than iOS? One of my friends who installed the iOS5 upgrade complained that it made her iPhone slower,and my arrive did things faster than my cousin's iPhone4, safari crashes on intensive sites whereas at most in IE the tab will just go out (this happens to me once a week at the most). Goto this site in an android or iOS browser and see what happens: Las Tangas and here's Qualcomm themselves saying that wp7 doesn't need dual core. http://wmpoweruser.com/qualcomm-wind...re-processors/
    Last edited by sin_nombre773; 11-21-2011 at 05:37 PM.
    11-21-2011 05:31 PM
  8. condemned's Avatar
    I don't notice any lag in any of those on my HD7 or arrive. Maybe u need to switch to a faster carrier (T-mobile) or use WiFi.


    whoa whoa wait a minute! How is WP7 not smoother than iOS? One of my friends who installed the iOS5 upgrade complained that it made her iPhone slower,and my arrive did things faster than my cousin's iPhone4, safari crashes on intensive sites whereas at most in IE the tab will just go out (this happens to me once a week at the most). Goto this site in an android or iOS browser and see what happens: Las Tangas and here's Qualcomm themselves saying that wp7 doesn't need dual core. Qualcomm: Windows Phone 7 does not need dual core processors | WMPoweruser
    That website is very intensive. Navigating around the page was smooth but it stuttered quite a bit.

    But if that's the way you want it, load up this site on your Windows phone: gifs forum

    I tested gifs on iOS, Android and WP7. I sometimes visit that site and on my HD7 the gifs were very laggy and not fast/smooth like on a computer.

    On my Sensation and bro's iPad 2, the gifs were smooth.

    I take it this has something to do with Java and how Internet Explorer on Windows phone isn't a WebKit based browser. Idk....
    11-21-2011 05:57 PM
  9. sin_nombre773's Avatar
    That website is very intensive. Navigating around the page was smooth but it stuttered quite a bit.

    But if that's the way you want it, load up this site on your Windows phone: gifs forum

    I tested gifs on iOS, Android and WP7. I sometimes visit that site and on my HD7 the gifs were very laggy and not fast/smooth like on a computer.

    On my Sensation and bro's iPad 2, the gifs were smooth.

    I take it this has something to do with Java and how Internet Explorer on Windows phone isn't a WebKit based browser. Idk....
    both those sites loaded and scrolled fine for me, the one I listed tho takes out safari mobile very quickly
    11-21-2011 06:17 PM
  10. condemned's Avatar
    both those sites loaded and scrolled fine for me, the one I listed tho takes out safari mobile very quickly
    No mobile browser is perfect.

    When I had my HD7 I found a lot of sites I visit tended to lag. One of my gripes with IE9 Mobile (I even made a thread about this and other WP7 users agreed) is that typing in text fields in the browser isn't very responsive. It lags. I'm making this post from my phone and the text input is very responsive. Gifs also load smoothly with no lag unlike my HD7.

    So really, every OS lags here and there. No OS is perfect.
    11-21-2011 06:47 PM
  11. power5's Avatar
    The problem with Android is that Google makes the OS and let's manufacturers put it on their phones, so that means Google doesn't code the OS on any specific devices. If Google made their own hardware and put Android on it, it would have all the GPU acceleration and glittery animations that are present on iOS, WP7 and BB7.

    Whether you like it or not, fragmentation is inevitable. Older hardware eventually cannot sustain newer and more advanced software. A lot of companies do this just to get you to spend money on newer hardware. It's kind of like Apple only allowing Siri on the 4s.
    Google has their own handsets and the original ones lag on new software.

    I don't notice any lag in any of those on my HD7 or arrive. Maybe u need to switch to a faster carrier (T-mobile) or use WiFi.


    whoa whoa wait a minute! How is WP7 not smoother than iOS? One of my friends who installed the iOS5 upgrade complained that it made her iPhone slower,and my arrive did things faster than my cousin's iPhone4, safari crashes on intensive sites whereas at most in IE the tab will just go out (this happens to me once a week at the most). Goto this site in an android or iOS browser and see what happens: Las Tangas and here's Qualcomm themselves saying that wp7 doesn't need dual core. Qualcomm: Windows Phone 7 does not need dual core processors | WMPoweruser
    Thanks for the crappy spanish porn site. Maybe you should add a NSFW or 18+ to that link. Works just great on my 3g though. Did no blow up. All the links that were not killed by copyright problems worked just fine. Some looked like child porn though the girls were so young. What is with the thumbnail sized videos though? Dont even know how those could crash any phone.

    Ask qualcomm why no windows phone can record 1080p if it does not need dual core?
    11-21-2011 07:09 PM
  12. sin_nombre773's Avatar
    No mobile browser is perfect.

    When I had my HD7 I found a lot of sites I visit tended to lag. One of my gripes with IE9 Mobile (I even made a thread about this and other WP7 users agreed) is that typing in text fields in the browser isn't very responsive. It lags. I'm making this post from my phone and the text input is very responsive. Gifs also load smoothly with no lag unlike my HD7.

    So really, every OS lags here and there. No OS is perfect.
    I only notice the text input lag when trying to type before a page finishes loadin, it doesn't happen to every text field on every site. It's down to the poor dev code of the site and not WP or the hardware it's on
    11-21-2011 07:13 PM
  13. danj210's Avatar
    I don't notice any lag in any of those on my HD7 or arrive. Maybe u need to switch to a faster carrier (T-mobile) or use WiFi.





    whoa whoa wait a minute! How is WP7 not smoother than iOS? One of my friends who installed the iOS5 upgrade complained that it made her iPhone slower,and my arrive did things faster than my cousin's iPhone4, safari crashes on intensive sites whereas at most in IE the tab will just go out (this happens to me once a week at the most). Goto this site in an android or iOS browser and see what happens: Las Tangas and here's Qualcomm themselves saying that wp7 doesn't need dual core. http://wmpoweruser.com/qualcomm-wind...re-processors/
    Wp7 is hands down faster than any OS out right now. How this one person says ios is "smoother" just blows me away. IOS is ugly IMO but much more slow in many others' opinion. That's easy to see. If you put ios next to wp7 you will see, you have to tell the truth tho.

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    11-21-2011 07:16 PM
  14. sin_nombre773's Avatar
    Google has their own handsets and the original ones lag on new software.



    Thanks for the crappy spanish porn site. Maybe you should add a NSFW or 18+ to that link. Works just great on my 3g though. Did no blow up. All the links that were not killed by copyright problems worked just fine. Some looked like child porn though the girls were so young. What is with the thumbnail sized videos though? Dont even know how those could crash any phone.

    Ask qualcomm why no windows phone can record 1080p if it does not need dual core?
    crappy Spanish porn?

    1) it's not a porn site
    2) Latina women look better on average than Caucasian women.
    3) those are mostly YouTube videos.
    4) they aren't thumbnail sized on my HD7. They appear as the actual YouTube player and clicking on it opens the video in full screen.
    11-21-2011 07:17 PM
  15. power5's Avatar
    crappy Spanish porn?

    1) it's not a porn site
    2) Latina women look better on average than Caucasian women.
    3) those are mostly YouTube videos.
    4) they aren't thumbnail sized on my HD7. They appear as the actual YouTube player and clicking on it opens the video in full screen.
    1. How is booty shaking girls not porn? How is Las tangas not spanish words?
    2. Opinion and sometimes true.
    3. Yes and the 4th one when I went was deleted by youtube for violating terms.
    4. Some of them opened for me small. All opened though with no crashing or slowness.

    BTW if you want good
    Last edited by Dave Blake; 11-21-2011 at 07:51 PM. Reason: unwanted comment
    11-21-2011 07:34 PM
  16. sin_nombre773's Avatar
    1. How is booty shaking girls not porn? How is Las tangas not spanish words?
    2. Opinion and sometimes true.
    3. Yes and the 4th one when I went was deleted by youtube for violating terms.
    4. Some of them opened for me small. All opened though with no crashing or slowness.

    BTW if m
    1. It's not porn because they have clothes on. I didnt say that Las tangas weren't Spanish words.
    2. It is true, why is it that the last 7 years out of 10 that ms universe was a Latina? Show me one white woman that looks better than a Latina.
    3.YouTube is racist against Latinas (I've seen worse white girl videos not get deleted. One of my friends got banned several times.)
    4. They all open for me in full screen.

    And I'm perfectly fine with that site I listed and dailymotion.
    11-21-2011 07:41 PM
  17. baseballbert's Avatar
    Ok, so let me update those of you playing at home. I put up this post to STOP. THE. DUAL. CORE. VS. SINGLE. CORE. MADNESS.

    So, as if following a script, we get more dual vs single core chat. AND, to make it better, we now know that youtube is racist against Latinas. I married a spicy Latina woman, so I'm going to put her up on youtube and see if it gets pulled, I'm going to raise on **** of a stink I'll tell you that right now!! YOU LISTENING GOOGLE!!

    We've also learned that youtube has porn on it because there are videos of women dancing. BUT, they aren't Latina women because youtube is racist, and that it really isn't porn because they aren't naked. Am I getting all of this right? I don't want to misquote any of this literary gold.

    I LOVE THE INTERWEBS!! Seriously, where else can you go for this kind of entertainment. I defy you to find a place you can.
    Last edited by baseballbert; 11-21-2011 at 08:27 PM. Reason: Because of two all beef patties, special sauce, lettuce, cheese, pickles on a sesame seed bun......
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    11-21-2011 08:22 PM
  18. condemned's Avatar
    Wp7 is hands down faster than any OS out right now. How this one person says ios is "smoother" just blows me away. IOS is ugly IMO but much more slow in many others' opinion. That's easy to see. If you put ios next to wp7 you will see, you have to tell the truth tho.

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    No it isn't. I've tested both and tell you my findings between the two.

    iOS vs WP7

    Core OS: Both are very smooth and responsive.

    Maps: iOS is buttery smooth whereas WP7 was choppy.

    YouTube: iOS was smooth whereas WP7 was kind of sluggish while scrolling (HTC YouTube app that's preinstalled)

    Browser: Both are smooth but mobile Safari is smoother. WP7 isn't always consistent with navigating and multitouch though. Found it jerky on some sites. Not the case on iOS so far.

    Facebook App: iOS = smooth. WP7 = extremely laggy. Made me not want to use it at all.

    Just a few examples. Now I know the apps are up to the devs but still, when you say something is smooth you expect the experience to be consistent. Nothing is 100% smooth/perfect but in my experience iOS has been the smoothest OS out there. Although Android and WP7 have also been smooth but I went back to Android months ago because of the functionality on it and found the apps to be better.

    IMO though, iOS > Android > WP7 > BB

    Can't go wrong with any of em.
    11-21-2011 10:05 PM
  19. Dave Blake's Avatar
    Yup this thread has been around the world. See what you started Burt...lol
    11-21-2011 10:19 PM
  20. wolf1891's Avatar
    *reads thread... rolls eyes... wanders off in search of fresh popcorn...*

    11-21-2011 10:38 PM
  21. baseballbert's Avatar
    Its a testament to the well rounded community you've created. Kind of like the U.K. (united knuckleheads).

    Mangos taste better than apples!
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    11-21-2011 10:45 PM
  22. Kahuna Cowboy's Avatar
    yup its like MS is held to a higher standard or something, its so ignorant.
    Why is that ignorant?

    Why is MS mandating last year specs on phones with a next gen UI? Why is that a brilliant move in your estimation? If I lock myself into a contract as we pretty much have to in the USA, why is it ignorant to not want 2010 specs when the phone will pretty much have to carry the owner into late 2013?

    Phones are moving to dual cores for a reason, and until I upgraded to a 4S that reason eluded me. It's simply a faster, smoother, better, and more fluid experience no matter how you try to rationalize it. It allows for more growth and potential out of the UI then a single core can. Why is that ignorant?

    It certainly allows for better gaming, something Microsoft knows a little bit about. Yet they are content to offer Angry Birds and Plants vs Zombies, last year's iOS titles as a draw?

    For the life of me I cannot understand why MS is content to skate to where the puck was some time ago, rather then where it is now, or will be. Especially when they really nailed it with the UI. The only thing funnier is the devout Windows phone owners trying to con others, including themselves into a line of thinking that mediocre specs is better and will serve some greater good. My guess, Windows handset makers are content to use cheaper specs as they do not expect them to sell at this point, recognizing they are in a foundation period. Of course MS themselves mandates the min specs so perhaps they realize it too.
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    11-21-2011 11:57 PM
  23. Pronk's Avatar
    2. It is true, why is it that the last 7 years out of 10 that ms universe was a Latina? Show me one white woman that looks better than a Latina.
    3.YouTube is racist against Latinas
    Complaining about racism, and then claiming that no caucasian woman can be as pretty/prettier than a latino woman and it's *not* an issue of opinion/taste?

    IRONY ALERT.
    11-22-2011 05:17 AM
  24. jfa1's Avatar
    Its a testament to the well rounded community you've created. Kind of like the U.K. (united knuckleheads).

    Mangos taste better than apples!
    Hopefully you are not going to rile up The Wee Bear with your UK remark bert!
    11-22-2011 10:04 AM
  25. sin_nombre773's Avatar
    Complaining about racism, and then claiming that no caucasian woman can be as pretty/prettier than a latino woman and it's *not* an issue of opinion/taste?

    IRONY ALERT.
    its counter racist because it's widely regarded that white with blond hair and blue eyes is the standard of beauty and I'm proving that it's not.
    11-22-2011 10:30 AM
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