12-14-2011 06:05 AM
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  1. aubreyq's Avatar
    apple put it on ios themselves..
    That would be the only way!
    12-01-2011 12:43 PM
  2. Ivan006's Avatar
    I'm not surprised. I can see this happening for all smartphones.

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    12-01-2011 12:47 PM
  3. Big Supes's Avatar
    apple put it on ios themselves..

    I'm surprised they aren't selling it as a feature yet

    "we'll teach you how to hold your phone, then boost your phones IQ with carrier IQ!"
    PMSL. That would be right! :D

    I'm not sure what's worse... being so open that you don't mind carriers putting it on or putting it on yourself?!?
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    12-01-2011 12:49 PM
  4. pseudoware's Avatar
    Apple must have consented to CIQ in their devices. Fortunately, it supposed to only run when the Diagnostic setting is set to send data and is easy to disable.

    AT&T has confirmed the HTC Vivid, one of the new LTE phones, ships w/CIQ, but of course it's likely not the only one. ****, the device I'm tapping on right now probably has it. :(

    Sent from my Inspire 4G using Tapatalk
    12-01-2011 12:52 PM
  5. aubreyq's Avatar
    PMSL. That would be right! :D

    I'm not sure what's worse... being so open that you don't mind carriers putting it on or putting it on yourself?!?
    One would think putting it on yourself is worse but Apple, PR geniuses that they are, would find a way to spin this and say "we put it on but we control what it collects." Since people still trust Apple (I actually trust Apple way more than Google, btw), Apple will come out clean.
    12-01-2011 12:54 PM
  6. Blacklac's Avatar
    Since this is a CarrierIQ thread, here's a link to discussion about it for Blackberry's if anyone is interested:

    http://forums.crackberry.com/general...ys-too-674331/

    Someone did manually install it on an old BB (they have Blackberry OTA software right on their (CIQ) website), he said it was clearly visible as a third party App and it asked for tons of Permissions, however no Icon. I think its safe to say, if its on Blackberry's, its pretty easy to find.
    12-01-2011 12:59 PM
  7. Pronk's Avatar
    The iOS version seems to be related only to when the phone is in diagnostic mode, and by default is off and not tracking anything at all, any of the time. iOS logs also store much less info than Android anyway, so even if Apple did install it it seems to (a) do nothing 99% of the time and (b) seeing as it's a diagnostic tool only active in diagnostic mode, actually be being used for legit purposes anyway.

    As opposed to logging every keystroke you make all the time, for example. :)
    12-01-2011 01:26 PM
  8. fisci's Avatar
    The iOS version seems to be related only to when the phone is in diagnostic mode, and by default is off and not tracking anything at all, any of the time. iOS logs also store much less info than Android anyway, so even if Apple did install it it seems to (a) do nothing 99% of the time and (b) seeing as it's a diagnostic tool only active in diagnostic mode, actually be being used for legit purposes anyway.

    As opposed to logging every keystroke you make all the time, for example. :)
    who knows how valid that is, and how much if it is media bias...

    Seems like any time apple screws up the media turns it into something good they are doing for the good of the planet lol
    12-01-2011 01:31 PM
  9. Dave Blake's Avatar
    The iOS version seems to be related only to when the phone is in diagnostic mode, and by default is off and not tracking anything at all, any of the time. iOS logs also store much less info than Android anyway, so even if Apple did install it it seems to (a) do nothing 99% of the time and (b) seeing as it's a diagnostic tool only active in diagnostic mode, actually be being used for legit purposes anyway.

    As opposed to logging every keystroke you make all the time, for example. :)
    source your information please
    12-01-2011 01:41 PM
  10. pseudoware's Avatar
    Here's a recent summary on all platforms:

    Carrier IQ On iPhone, Android, BlackBerry, Windows Phone: Which Devices Have Controversial 'Tracking' Software?

    My favorite lines:

    "Windows Phone appears to be totally free of Carrier IQ"

    "Interestingly, the only devices found to be entirely free of Carrier ID are Google’s Nexus products and Windows Phone 7"
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    12-01-2011 02:14 PM
  11. Big Supes's Avatar
    One would think putting it on yourself is worse but Apple, PR geniuses that they are, would find a way to spin this and say "we put it on but we control what it collects." Since people still trust Apple (I actually trust Apple way more than Google, btw), Apple will come out clean.
    Talking with others in other corners of the tinternet, I was informed that Google don't have any control over what the carriers put on their handsets; they operate under a apache license. As for Apple, I wonder why they didn't just implement the data recording software themselves?
    12-01-2011 02:19 PM
  12. palandri's Avatar
    With the Patriot Act in the U.S., I thought all carriers were required now to keep logs of all phone calls, internet sites visited and emails for so many days.
    12-01-2011 02:37 PM
  13. Blacklac's Avatar
    12-01-2011 02:44 PM
  14. Blacklac's Avatar
    With the Patriot Act in the U.S., I thought all carriers were required now to keep logs of all phone calls, internet sites visited and emails for so many days.
    did you see the video of what it was logging? Every single keystroke. Even for HTTPS data.
    12-01-2011 02:46 PM
  15. 1jaxstate1's Avatar
    I wish MS had it so ATT would see how ****ty my 3G service is!
    12-01-2011 02:46 PM
  16. thed's Avatar
    With the Patriot Act in the U.S., I thought all carriers were required now to keep logs of all phone calls, internet sites visited and emails for so many days.
    They can do this without installing any software on the phone. Carrier IQ does way more than this.
    12-01-2011 02:59 PM
  17. theefman's Avatar
    12-01-2011 03:07 PM
  18. pseudoware's Avatar
    LMAO, Carrier IQ's VP of Mktg is a Coward, literally

    Carrier IQ speaks: 'We'd like to be as open as we can' after independent testing | The Verge

    FWIW, HTC has their branding on the CIQ software as shown in TrevE's EVO. However, I see no evidence of that stuff on an unrooted Inspire. No HTC IQAgent, no HTC DM, etc.
    12-01-2011 04:51 PM
  19. Pronk's Avatar
    source your information please
    It was in the verge article I already linked to further up there^^^

    And also, the huffington post article blacklac linked to.
    12-02-2011 02:54 AM
  20. FriendOrDafoe's Avatar
    [rant]
    I hate stuff like this. I also dislike how google logs everything you send in gmail to target more advertising at you. Google might definatly be the worst company EVER.

    [rant/]
    12-02-2011 08:00 AM
  21. HeyCori's Avatar
    Before I get uppity about not having CIQ on my Titan chances are Microsoft probably has their own intrusive logging system. My only hope is that it's not intrusive as CIQ (and logging every key press is pretty damn intrusive). I sympathize with the CarrierIQ and the carriers to a very (very) small degree. Knowing how and why devices malfunction is extremely important for them to know. However, information about crashes or glitches should only be logged when they happen. Logging every single thing you do on your phone is simply too much information for any wireless carrier to have.
    FriendOrDafoe likes this.
    12-02-2011 08:25 AM
  22. HeyCori's Avatar
    [rant]
    I hate stuff like this. I also dislike how google logs everything you send in gmail to target more advertising at you. Google might definatly be the worst company EVER.

    [rant/]
    That's part of the reason I don't use a lot of Google services. It's not because I'm against Google it's because I don't want targeted ads or more advertisements.
    12-02-2011 08:27 AM
  23. FriendOrDafoe's Avatar
    That's part of the reason I don't use a lot of Google services. It's not because I'm against Google it's because I don't want targeted ads or more advertisements.
    Its terrible, and it just gets worse. I think I heared somewhere (cant remember where so it might not be reliable) that they basically build this big profile on you. all of your google searches, gmail emails, gdocs, etc, (if you use chrome) then the sites you visit, and they search all of it for keywords to target advertising at you. I feel violated.
    12-02-2011 09:24 AM
  24. martin_strahilovski's Avatar
    Its terrible, and it just gets worse. I think I heared somewhere (cant remember where so it might not be reliable) that they basically build this big profile on you. all of your google searches, gmail emails, gdocs, etc, (if you use chrome) then the sites you visit, and they search all of it for keywords to target advertising at you. I feel violated.
    Well they can track you without using apps like this. Lets say via satellites, GPS, distance between mobile radio towers etc. There are many ways to do this :)
    12-02-2011 11:19 AM
  25. N8ter's Avatar
    TBQH, I'm more concerned with how much battery that process is draining doing what it's doing that if they're stealing information (which I don't think they would, because it's not like they can remote uninstall the software and once someone found out they knew there would be a s**t fit)...

    IRT Google Services. Microsoft does the exact same thing.

    Why do you think companies have taken to requiring you to have an account for their services to use their devices/OSes? Windows Live for WP7. Google Account for Android. Wonder why they lock down some services on their devices?

    That's just something you have to deal with if you use computer (smartphones especially) these days.

    Think it's a bit disingenuous to single out Google when Microsoft has almost as many services and uses the same tactics to gather information.

    How do you think their services improve, otherwise? - assuming you aren't ignorantly believing that they're siphoning Google Search Results and things like that...

    What I do hate about Google Chrome is that it adds an update task to the Task Scheduler when you install it without even prompting you. That is a showstopper for me. It's borderline malware behavior...
    12-02-2011 11:59 AM
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