12-17-2013 11:11 PM
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  1. Onager1286's Avatar
    You have no idea what you're talking about.

    And for the record, Nokia owns navteq, which is one of the largest mapping data provider around the world.
    If anyone would like to engage in an actual discussion without acting like a ****, by all means respond. Otherwise get out.

    For the record, I'm not talking about the map data, I'm talking about the apps. I saw the ios version of google maps, thought, wow this is slick, and wanted to share that sentiment with people here. Just looking for thoughts, not douchebagery.
    04-19-2013 04:50 PM
  2. spaulagain's Avatar
    Drive definitely needs some added features such as the directions list. Sometimes it doesn't even navigate when I put in a destination. I think it's pretty good other than that, though.
    Directions list is in the Maps App, which then has link to the Drive app if you are driving.

    If anyone would like to engage in an actual discussion without acting like a ****, by all means respond. Otherwise get out.

    For the record, I'm not talking about the map data, I'm talking about the apps. I saw the ios version of google maps, thought, wow this is slick, and wanted to share that sentiment with people here. Just looking for thoughts, not douchebagery.
    I have that app on my iPhone and still don't like it as much as HERE Drive. Oh well, guess everyone has their preferences.
    04-19-2013 05:08 PM
  3. GMJeff's Avatar
    Also, remember, if you saw a newer version of maps for ios, it is not the same app that they had before.

    Apple dropped google from their phones and went with their own solution. This led to multiple issues with their app when ios 6 was introduced on the iphone 5.

    Google rewrote their maps app and released it into the itunes store probably with a prettier interface and reworked appearance to make themselves more appealing to iphone owners. Gets them back on the iphone.

    It's not wrong to fondle the s pen.
    04-19-2013 06:29 PM
  4. foxbat121's Avatar
    The one thing I like to see (and I just thought of it because it just happened) is when you get an appointment popup I wish the address on that popup was clickable so i could zoom right into Drive/Maps/Here whatever it's called now.

    Not a dealbreaker at all, I can still dig into the appointment and click on that address. It would just be a nice feature.
    It works that way on both my 8x and 920 today. What am I missing here?
    04-19-2013 07:30 PM
  5. spaulagain's Avatar
    It works that way on both my 8x and 920 today. What am I missing here?
    Ya, that's the way it works for me.
    04-19-2013 07:33 PM
  6. foxbat121's Avatar
    But the splitting up of the maps and drive apps is clunky and the apps themselves don't exude the same level of polish I see in Google's apps.
    Google Maps on Andorid, its native platform, splits into two different app as well just like Here maps and drive. But Google doesn't offer its Nav app outside of Android. So, what you saw on iOS is not Google Nav at all. For the record, I like the Google Nav on my Andorid phone better but Here Drive is not bad either.
    04-19-2013 07:37 PM
  7. Huime's Avatar
    TBH although apple maps is unusable, some of the UI for example balloon labeling the streets when you are at complex traffic is really neat. Gmaps is great for searching POI very functional but useless when you are really in the need for navigation. And no, I don't consider driving within the country traveling. If I do, I dont even have a home. :)
    04-19-2013 08:23 PM
  8. vwarp's Avatar
    Dont tell that to certain fanboys. For many Google Maps is the saviour himself. I personally dont like and I am among the few who has used Apple Maps with no problems, and I have Google Maps in a folder somewhere on my phone. Nokia Maps I hear is top notch though, at least in terms of accuracy.. People like pretty things though and that doesnt always mean the best working. Here Google Maps give me far worse directions that Apple Maps, though it seems prettier and has street view. I am very interested in Nokia Maps as I feel my next phone is going to be a Lumia..
    04-19-2013 09:04 PM
  9. Dave Blake's Avatar
    Here is what I know. Nokia Drive has never sent me to a place that didn't exist. Google maps has more than once.
    04-19-2013 09:48 PM
  10. idavid's Avatar
    With Google Maps I'm past the roundabout before the app has called Exit. I prefer Nokia Drive - actually called HERE Drive+ Beta on my Lumia 620 - because it looks better, alerts to speed limits and is independent of a cellular signal.
    04-20-2013 06:11 AM
  11. a5cent's Avatar
    For the record, I'm not talking about the map data, I'm talking about the apps. I saw the ios version of google maps, thought, wow this is slick...
    If you are talking polish and visual appeal, then yes, I agree with you. I think Drive's UI could use some streamlining. Working directly with the map (zooming and panning) is not at all fluid and needs improvement. Frame rates during navigation need to improve tenfold (from 3 to 30 FPS, at least when plugged into a car charger).

    I agree with all of that, but I also feel those things are superficial. As an actual tool that I need to rely upon, Nokia Drive has so far served me best.
    04-20-2013 06:46 AM
  12. Onager1286's Avatar
    If you are talking polish and visual appeal, then yes, I agree with you. I think Drive's UI could use some streamlining. Working directly with the map (zooming and panning) is not at all fluid and needs improvement. Frame rates during navigation need to improve tenfold (from 3 to 30 FPS, at least when plugged into a car charger).

    I agree with all of that, but I also feel those things are superficial. As an actual tool that I need to rely upon, Nokia Drive has so far served me best.
    Yeah those are mostly the things I'm talking about. And I agree with you that it's a tool and ultimately needs to be functional rather than pretty... but this is just a part of my frustration with the Microsoft situation right now. (On a side note this was the issue that I was getting at so I'm slightly annoyed the thread got moved). In my opinion, Microsoft should be the one to deliver such an important facet of its smartphone platform, so that it integrates the best with the other systems and so that it feels like a part of the OS. Right now, Nokia's mapping apps are alright, but they're entirely separate from the hidden Bing maps interface on Windows Phone 8. Also they just don't have the polish that competitors apps have, and while they have a Metro-ish feel... honestly they sort of feel amateurish compared to the fit and finish of Google and Apple apps.
    04-20-2013 12:07 PM
  13. tk-093's Avatar
    It works that way on both my 8x and 920 today. What am I missing here?
    No clue. The 822 meeting reminder that pops up doesn't have a clickable address.
    04-20-2013 02:33 PM
  14. Mark3dyn's Avatar
    I use the gMaps app daily for real-time traffic, navigating my San Diego commute alternate routes. For actual navigation, which might be a couple times a month, the Nokia (Here) Drive app seems to work fine, and has a good time prediction, even heading through Orange County and LA. One thing that seems a little annoying, though maybe there is some workaround, is that if I type in an address number say, 1234 Main St, when I get to the address, I can't see on the screen what the address was that I typed in. So, if I show up at a business park and there are numbers from 1200 to 1300, I would have to hit the back button to see what the number is. Is this just me? I used to run MotionX Drive on my iPhone, which was great, but I think the Nokia app is close, with a better interface and search feature. I've never used Google Maps for navigation.
    04-20-2013 02:47 PM
  15. hary536's Avatar
    I was using an iPhone the other day with the google maps app, and I gotta say it just feels so much higher in quality than what we have with Nokia's Drive. Everything from the UI to actual features feel genuinely polished in google maps. I'm my opinion, Microsoft shouldn't be letting a struggling company like Nokia be responsible for such a basic and important part of the smartphone experience.
    I haven't read each comment in this post here, but when you make such an inflammatory comment, you should try to atleast try to compare and explain why you think Nokia Drive is not as good.
    04-20-2013 07:26 PM
  16. hary536's Avatar
    If anyone would like to engage in an actual discussion without acting like a ****, by all means respond. Otherwise get out.

    For the record, I'm not talking about the map data, I'm talking about the apps. I saw the ios version of google maps, thought, wow this is slick, and wanted to share that sentiment with people here. Just looking for thoughts, not douchebagery.
    You haven't yet explained or compared the two yourself. When you make a general statement, that I like google maps more than Drive, then you are bound to get general replies too.
    04-20-2013 07:31 PM
  17. K Raghu's Avatar
    I was using an iPhone the other day with the google maps app, and I gotta say it just feels so much higher in quality than what we have with Nokia's Drive. Everything from the UI to actual features feel genuinely polished in google maps. I'm my opinion, Microsoft shouldn't be letting a struggling company like Nokia be responsible for such a basic and important part of the smartphone experience.
    Strange but if you have nokia why are you posting here ? shouldn't you be posting in Apple forum to highlight your experience and making people happier. We don't post in apple forum as we don't care about what happens in their world :)
    04-20-2013 07:35 PM
  18. Onager1286's Avatar
    You haven't yet explained or compared the two yourself. When you make a general statement, that I like google maps more than Drive, then you are bound to get general replies too.
    I didn't get a general reply, I got an arrogant one. Also, I have compared them, so I'm not sure why you said that...? I think Here Drive is fine, it's worked well for the most part. But the iOS version of google maps felt like it was designed by real UI designers, whereas Here Drive feels like a UI that's been shoehorned in around the underlying code. It's not particularly attractive and lacks a certain flow that is there in google maps for iOS. Again, it's not bad, but it's not AAA design...which is why Microsoft should be the company to handle development of a keystone app like navigation.
    04-20-2013 11:53 PM
  19. chandu1382's Avatar
    google maps may be matured but if you switch from satellite view to map view, both are the same. neither google nor nokia can invent new routes/ roads. they show whatever is existing.
    In fact, nokia gives u better navigation and also available offline.
    The look and feel is subjective. some like coke some like pepsi.
    04-21-2013 12:08 AM
  20. a5cent's Avatar
    You haven't yet explained or compared the two yourself. When you make a general statement, that I like google maps more than Drive, then you are bound to get general replies too.
    You admit to not having read the whole thread and then turn around and accuse him of not having explained or compared apps? Seriously?

    Quite a few posts ago, I myself asked him to clarify his position, which he/she since has. Don't play cop without taking the time to know what you're policing. Anyone deserves at least that. You yourself would expect it.
    04-21-2013 12:48 AM
  21. Daniel Ratcliffe's Avatar
    Rockstarzzz has already mentioned about this to someone specific, I'm sending out a general warning to everyone. Be respectful.
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    04-21-2013 12:53 AM
  22. a5cent's Avatar
    The look and feel is subjective. some like coke some like pepsi.
    To a degree, yes, absolutely, but not always. For example, frame rates contribute to the feel of an application and 20 FPS is objectively better than 3 FPS.

    Just in terms of design, yes, that is subjective, yet letting 100 random people vote on which of the following two screenshots they find visually more pleasing is unlikely to result in a close race:

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    What do you think?
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    04-21-2013 01:41 AM
  23. Onager1286's Avatar
    To a degree, yes, absolutely, but not always. For example, frame rates contribute to the feel of an application and 20 FPS is objectively better than 3 FPS.

    Just in terms of design, yes, that is subjective, yet letting 100 random people vote on which of the following two screenshots they find visually more pleasing is unlikely to result in a close race:

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    What do you think?
    Thank you! This is exactly my point. I'll post a picture of google maps on ios as well for comparison.
    04-21-2013 04:11 AM
  24. zero_kbom's Avatar
    I much much much prefer Here Maps/ Drive implementation rather than Google Maps. I think UI wise, both of them practically adheres to each platform's style. So its just a matter of preference.

    And yes, I used, heck I own an iPhone 5 and Lumia 920. Used Google Maps and Here Maps extensively.
    04-21-2013 05:23 AM
  25. rockstarzzz's Avatar
    To a degree, yes, absolutely, but not always. For example, frame rates contribute to the feel of an application and 20 FPS is objectively better than 3 FPS.

    Just in terms of design, yes, that is subjective, yet letting 100 random people vote on which of the following two screenshots they find visually more pleasing is unlikely to result in a close race:

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    What do you think?
    I would not argue in terms of frame rates as I've never used it that way. However, with these two screenshots what you are forgetting is design minimalism and OS philosophies. With iOS everything once launched as to be shoved on your face like those big distracting signs along my navigation. In a scenario when I'm driving on an unknown route, the last thing I want to do is distract myself and look and try to read all those things surrounding where I'm driving. The WP screenshot is minimal like the whole UI. If shows you a highlighted route so that you can glance to see if you have diverted or are on track and a big green marker pointing your direction. All the extra info has been pushed to one side of screen with a huge arrow and distance telling you that your right turn is after whatever distance. You are going from A to B so as a navigator I don't need to tell you that there are a few left and right streets on your route, may be check out their names while you drive too! That's the job of maps not navigator. If I was interested in POIs and streets around me, I would not be navigating but actually exploring on an augmented reality with HERE City Lens! To each their own?
    04-21-2013 05:38 AM
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