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  1. Polkka's Avatar
    Lumia 820! Display is so much better and OEM support and design ;) Ativs: Better battery thats all...
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    08-12-2013 11:49 AM
  2. MSFTisMIA's Avatar
    I'm getting the phone online. However there is a physcal store near me that has both, but they locked it up so its impossible to hold it.

    So I have to choose between OEM support and a better device?

    Just to know, what apps/functions i'm gonna be missing if I go with Ativ S?
    What apps do you use? For me, I use the transport and navigation apps alot...and those are available on the Ativ s too. I'm in the US so I can use Drive + for free. Nokia's pro cam and smart cam may not hit the 8xx range anyways...and honestly, many of the exclusive apps in the Nokia collective are limited exclusives - which means the rest of WP8 gets those apps at some point. Overall, the Ativ S is a better device, and Samsung has updated their stuff and shown WP8 a little love these last few weeks. People bury the ATIV S because Samsung buried it, but it is a fine phone. I like the 8xx line (I own a 810) and it is nice too, so you're not losing much if you pick a 820.
    You're choosing between a better device and OEM support because of the price point your budget has you ballin' at. I would look into the warranty to see if you can try either phone for a few days and do an exchange. Again, it boils down to your needs...how do you plan to use the phone?
    08-12-2013 12:05 PM
  3. athosbr99's Avatar
    What apps do you use? For me, I use the transport and navigation apps alot...and those are available on the Ativ s too. I'm in the US so I can use Drive + for free. Nokia's pro cam and smart cam may not hit the 8xx range anyways...and honestly, many of the exclusive apps in the Nokia collective are limited exclusives - which means the rest of WP8 gets those apps at some point. Overall, the Ativ S is a better device, and Samsung has updated their stuff and shown WP8 a little love these last few weeks. People bury the ATIV S because Samsung buried it, but it is a fine phone. I like the 8xx line (I own a 810) and it is nice too, so you're not losing much if you pick a 820.

    You're choosing between a better device and OEM support because of the price point your budget has you ballin' at. I would look into the warranty to see if you can try either phone for a few days and do an exchange. Again, it boils down to your needs...how do you plan to use the phone?
    Actually I have a old LG P500 running a modified Android. I use to listen music, Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and such. Sometimes I use maps to get around. I never had a Windows Phone before and I expect to do the same things. My phone actually survive a full day on Wi-Fi (I use 3G rarely) and people are telling me that 820 can't do that.

    I really wanted to buy a Nokia but I may go with ATIV S and take a leap of faith with Samsung it nothing/no one changes my mind (I plan to buy on 2 weeks). I'm still afraid of little support from OEM though...

    Since I'm buying online, brazilian companies tend to do hell to people who wants to swap phones. If I'm going to buy its going to be the real deal.

    This forum surprised me. I believed that everyone was going to say Lumia. Thanks to everyone so far.
    08-12-2013 12:48 PM
  4. th0mas96's Avatar
    Actually I have a old LG P500 running a modified Android. I use to listen music, Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and such. Sometimes I use maps to get around. I never had a Windows Phone before and I expect to do the same things. My phone actually survive a full day on Wi-Fi (I use 3G rarely) and people are telling me that 820 can't do that.

    I really wanted to buy a Nokia but I may go with ATIV S and take a leap of faith with Samsung it nothing/no one changes my mind (I plan to buy on 2 weeks). I'm still afraid of little support from OEM though...

    Since I'm buying online, brazilian companies tend to do hell to people who wants to swap phones. If I'm going to buy its going to be the real deal.

    This forum surprised me. I believed that everyone was going to say Lumia. Thanks to everyone so far.
    I would still say it :P I don't know about others, but with 24/7 3G (no LTE) I get at least a day, if I don't play any games about two. What convinced me to get the 820 was the imho awesome display and the size of it, it fits perfectly! And of course, Glance looks really awesome.
    08-12-2013 02:02 PM
  5. Ali Assaedi's Avatar
    ok i havent read the whole thread,
    but,

    i think u should skip the 820, but not Nokia
    820 is kinda an obsolete deveice,
    i think the 720 is better than the 820 in every way, except screen size and cpu/rams... maybe an issue with u? but i would think really hard and carefully for this one
    the 720 is especially better in the battery part(ALOT better), and camera(also alot better)
    hence why both are almost at the same price point atm
    if your gonna going to buy another upgrade relativly soon(1-1.5 years, ), go with the 720

    there isnt a huge price gap between the 820 and the 920 either, the 920 is a GREAT device apart from its battery(i own one, battery seems to be bad in all lumias except the 720(not sure about the 1020).. so if you got extra cash, 920 it is

    i hate samsung, like most people here :P, but i dont think its right to recommend the 820(battery issues,but u can alwayz buy an extra battery, bad camera , not so pretty etc) :)
    08-12-2013 02:22 PM
  6. athosbr99's Avatar
    ok i havent read the whole thread,
    but,

    i think u should skip the 820, but not Nokia
    820 is kinda an obsolete deveice,
    i think the 720 is better than the 820 in every way, except screen size and cpu/rams... maybe an issue with u? but i would think really hard and carefully for this one
    the 720 is especially better in the battery part(ALOT better), and camera(also alot better)
    hence why both are almost at the same price point atm
    if your gonna going to buy another upgrade relativly soon(1-1.5 years, ), go with the 720

    there isnt a huge price gap between the 820 and the 920 either, the 920 is a GREAT device apart from its battery(i own one, battery seems to be bad in all lumias except the 720(not sure about the 1020).. so if you got extra cash, 920 it is

    i hate samsung, like most people here :P, but i dont think its right to recommend the 820(battery issues,but u can alwayz buy an extra battery, bad camera , not so pretty etc) :)
    820 costs R$ 879,12. 920 costs R$ 1.759,12. You don't have to know the currency to see thats a no deal on my country.

    And I can't see how buying a phone with even lower specs are better than the other two options.
    08-12-2013 02:35 PM
  7. MSFTisMIA's Avatar
    ok i havent read the whole thread,
    but,

    i think u should skip the 820, but not Nokia
    820 is kinda an obsolete deveice,
    i think the 720 is better than the 820 in every way, except screen size and cpu/rams... maybe an issue with u? but i would think really hard and carefully for this one
    the 720 is especially better in the battery part(ALOT better), and camera(also alot better)
    hence why both are almost at the same price point atm
    if your gonna going to buy another upgrade relativly soon(1-1.5 years, ), go with the 720

    there isnt a huge price gap between the 820 and the 920 either, the 920 is a GREAT device apart from its battery(i own one, battery seems to be bad in all lumias except the 720(not sure about the 1020).. so if you got extra cash, 920 it is

    i hate samsung, like most people here :P, but i dont think its right to recommend the 820(battery issues,but u can alwayz buy an extra battery, bad camera , not so pretty etc) :)
    Speak for yourself when you say "most people hate Samsung". They had the best Gen 1 WP7 device in the OG Focus and the lightest WP7 device in the Focus S. There's no way anyone who looks at it fairly from a price point and specs perspective can recommend the 720 over the Ativ S. As for the 720's battery life, Nokia did a good job in optimizing the hardware and they just used the 920's battery. But that's all. While it is a great mid range, I still wouldn't take it over the 820...cameras are a wash and the better screen and extra horsepower matter if you push the phone.
    08-12-2013 05:25 PM
  8. MSFTisMIA's Avatar
    Actually I have a old LG P500 running a modified Android. I use to listen music, Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and such. Sometimes I use maps to get around. I never had a Windows Phone before and I expect to do the same things. My phone actually survive a full day on Wi-Fi (I use 3G rarely) and people are telling me that 820 can't do that.

    I really wanted to buy a Nokia but I may go with ATIV S and take a leap of faith with Samsung it nothing/no one changes my mind (I plan to buy on 2 weeks). I'm still afraid of little support from OEM though...

    Since I'm buying online, brazilian companies tend to do hell to people who wants to swap phones. If I'm going to buy its going to be the real deal.

    This forum surprised me. I believed that everyone was going to say Lumia. Thanks to everyone so far.
    For the most part you will get balanced feedback here. Trust me, there are many other happy non Nokia owning WP8 users here. You'll get good performance from your Ativ S for those needs if that's the route you choose to go. I'd even dig into the forums for each phone a little bit for a more hands on feel from others users. Don't get me wrong, I like my 810. It is just that at the price point you're mentioning, if you can get a high end phone, you're getting better bang for your buck. Besides, if you want a sense of weigh wise what you're getting into with the Ativ S, hold a galaxy s3...as the dimensions are similar...
    08-12-2013 05:32 PM
  9. athosbr99's Avatar
    For the most part you will get balanced feedback here. Trust me, there are many other happy non Nokia owning WP8 users here. You'll get good performance from your Ativ S for those needs if that's the route you choose to go. I'd even dig into the forums for each phone a little bit for a more hands on feel from others users. Don't get me wrong, I like my 810. It is just that at the price point you're mentioning, if you can get a high end phone, you're getting better bang for your buck. Besides, if you want a sense of weigh wise what you're getting into with the Ativ S, hold a galaxy s3...as the dimensions are similar...
    I went to a store and both L820 and Ativ S were there. However the Ativ S didn't had any battery charge and I was unable to use it. I wasn't able to hold it too since they don't allow it either.

    But how about navigation apps? Whats in on the Ativ S? In the end, even hating Samsung, I guess that will be my choice...
    08-12-2013 05:50 PM
  10. Tonchi91's Avatar
    I have L820 for about one month and my battery is holding at least 24 hours.
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    08-12-2013 05:56 PM
  11. migueli2's Avatar
    I went to a store and both L820 and Ativ S were there. However the Ativ S didn't had any battery charge and I was unable to use it. I wasn't able to hold it too since they don't allow it either.

    But how about navigation apps? Whats in on the Ativ S? In the end, even hating Samsung, I guess that will be my choice...
    Not as fluid as L820, but only navigating in menus
    08-12-2013 05:57 PM
  12. MSFTisMIA's Avatar
    But how about navigation apps? Whats in on the Ativ S? In the end, even hating Samsung, I guess that will be my choice...
    Same standard navigation apps that are on WP8. Nokia Drive is available. Not sure if you will get Drive + as you may have to pay for it. The Nokia Maps is there along with Nokia transport. Again, what exactly about Samsung do you hate so much? Remember, you can still choose to go buy a 820...
    08-12-2013 08:37 PM
  13. uopjo6's Avatar
    My one and only advice is stay as far away as possible from the 820 until they fix the Other storage issue on GDR2 (fingers crossed).

    Your Other storage will likely stack up to 4GB.
    The system is 2GB.
    You will need to install a couple essential apps, which will take more than 1GB.

    Assuming you store all media on SD, you have just enough GB to install doodle jump.

    It's been a mess and nothing reduces the Other storage, not even Shrink Storage and the 820 now is stupified with 0 games installed too. I would go with the newer Nokia phones with at least 16GB storage if you want to go mid-range.
    08-12-2013 09:54 PM
  14. pankaj981's Avatar
    ^^ Other storage issue is fixed in GDR2, it does stick between 1-1.5GB max. Also maps can be downloaded and stored on the storage card, including pics. Space left after 1.9GB system apps plus 1.5GB other is 4.5GB which can take more than Doodle Jump. Also FM Radio is an addition based on your needs plus Amber plus who knows what enhancements from Nokia (i do expect Samsung to throw some)....all this about the 820.

    ATIV...more storage plus big screen minus store maps on storage card option minus FM Radio


    If i were you i would go w/ the Ativ if FM is not a requirement
    08-12-2013 10:52 PM
  15. snowmutt's Avatar
    The thing is the 820 cannot hold a candle to the Ativ S hardware wise. So, if we accept the screen res, expandable memory, and removable battery all favor Sammy, then let us look at what Nokia 820 brings:

    -In 18 months time, I will put my second million dollars I intend to make (still 900,000 off my first Million, but details, details) that Nokia will still be supporting the 820, especially the international version. I am not sure if Sammy will even be making WP's in 18 months.

    -Nokia will continue to get exclusive apps and exclusive releases because they are FIGHTING for them in survival mode. Okay, a good portion of them will be relaesed to other devices, but Nokia will get them first, more often, and most likely for the life of the device.

    -Nokia has MS's ear right now and MS's mobile phone future in their hands. If MS is working to make a seamless OS, Nokia will be the first to say "yep" or "nope" on updates.

    -Nokia fixes problems with their devices. They send out firmware. They upgrade camera performances. Sammy does a decent job of this ON THEIR BEST SELLERS. Also-rans do not get love, period. Sammy has too many devices to worry themselves over a small % seller. So, as the Ativ is not a homerun in sales, I would be surprised to see fixes come down the pick for these devices if they need them.

    I do like Samsung. But, this is actually an easier choice then it sounds:

    If hardware is more important, push the 820 out of your mind, go get the Ativ S which is a great device, do not look back or regret it ever.

    If software and support is more important, push the Ativ S out of your mind, go get the Nokia 820 which is a great device, do not look back or regret it ever.

    Let us know what you decide!! I am dying to know.
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    08-12-2013 11:31 PM
  16. athosbr99's Avatar
    Same standard navigation apps that are on WP8. Nokia Drive is available. Not sure if you will get Drive + as you may have to pay for it. The Nokia Maps is there along with Nokia transport. Again, what exactly about Samsung do you hate so much? Remember, you can still choose to go buy a 820...
    I hate Samsung because corporate stuff. Since ever they only cared abour high-end Android devices, made a billion low-end/mid-end every month and 95% never got updated. Along with that Touchwiz AIDS. Since Android is the big wagon they like and its that mess, I have fear on whats left with Ativ S.

    However I always liked Nokia even before smartphone trend, and they are the lead on WP. But I don't know if I can give a free pass on the 820 just because its Nokia and ignore the other qualities of Ativ S just because its Samsung.

    Others have mentioned GDR2. Is this available to everyone now or being dropped slowly? And Amber Update? Sorry for all the questions but I'm really on a lockdown on this.
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    08-12-2013 11:33 PM
  17. athosbr99's Avatar
    The thing is the 820 cannot hold a candle to the Ativ S hardware wise. So, if we accept the screen res, expandable memory, and removable battery all favor Sammy, then let us look at what Nokia 820 brings:

    -In 18 months time, I will put my second million dollars I intend to make (still 900,000 off my first Million, but details, details) that Nokia will still be supporting the 820, especially the international version. I am not sure if Sammy will even be making WP's in 18 months.

    -Nokia will continue to get exclusive apps and exclusive releases because they are FIGHTING for them in survival mode. Okay, a good portion of them will be relaesed to other devices, but Nokia will get them first, more often, and most likely for the life of the device.

    -Nokia has MS's ear right now and MS's mobile phone future in their hands. If MS is working to make a seamless OS, Nokia will be the first to say "yep" or "nope" on updates.

    -Nokia fixes problems with their devices. They send out firmware. They upgrade camera performances. Sammy does a decent job of this ON THEIR BEST SELLERS. Also-rans do not get love, period. Sammy has too many devices to worry themselves over a small % seller. So, as the Ativ is not a homerun in sales, I would be surprised to see fixes come down the pick for these devices if they need them.

    I do like Samsung. But, this is actually an easier choice then it sounds:

    If hardware is more important, push the 820 out of your mind, go get the Ativ S which is a great device, do not look back or regret it ever.

    If software and support is more important, push the Ativ S out of your mind, go get the Nokia 820 which is a great device, do not look back or regret it ever.

    Let us know what you decide!! I am dying to know.
    Thats clarifying.

    A friend said that hardware on Windows Phone doesn't matter so much. If this is true, I may have to change my mind.

    Also, good luck trying to make that second million.
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    08-12-2013 11:38 PM
  18. X0LARIUM's Avatar
    to the person suggesting 720..I have two 720s and my own 820, it doesnt even stand close. LCD sucks on the 720. 820's AMOLED is G.O.R.G.E.O.U.S. The colours are right and the form factor is perfect. Feels like a really great device.

    The 720 looks exactly like the HTC 8X, the black one. But is anything but that. Plus, lesser RAM. My wife already stares at me in anger when I say "Hey..NEW APP!" looking through my app store as the VERY SAME app is missing from her Store.

    But more or less, I +1 everything my good friend SnowMutt said.
    08-13-2013 01:33 AM
  19. ptrkhh's Avatar
    For me, in my opinion, 820 brings no advantage over the ATIV S, other than the HERE Drive+
    In my country it cost around $50 to get HERE Drive+, but if you live in some countries, NOKIA offers HERE Drive for other WP8 devices like the ATIV S. Check it first.
    The problem is, there is no substitute for HERE Drive in WP8 that is able to offer turn-by-turn navigation with offline maps.
    If you are really curious, here are apps from Nokia Collection:
    HERE Maps, Drive, City Lens, Transit (available for free for all WP8 except Drive, explained above)
    Groupon
    AccuWeather
    Nokia Ringtone Maker
    Nokia YouSendIt
    World of Red Bull
    Nokia Glam Me
    #2instaWithLove
    My Nokia
    CNN
    Nokia Creative Studio
    ESPN Hub
    Nokia Xpress browser (something like Opera Mini)
    Man of Steel
    The Weather Channel
    Nokia Smart Shoot
    Nokia NFC Writer
    Nokia Cinemagraph
    Nokia Panorama
    SophieLens
    Nokia PhotoBeamer
    Nokia Trailers
    Nokia Music
    Nokia Climate Mission game
    100th Day of School (Sesame Street) game
    Nokia Phone Recycler game
    Zuma's Revenge game
    Yahtzee game
    iBomber Defense game
    Bejeweled game
    Angry Birds game family (Star Wars, Rio, etc)
    Real Racing 2 game
    Vampire Rush game
    NBA JAM game
    The Sims Medieval game
    Mass Effect:Infiltrator game
    Monopoly Millionaire game
    FIFA 13 game

    Let me compare the specs:
    Screen: they are AMOLED, but ATIV S is HD
    Battery life: Really bad on 820, I think it is better on ATIV S given the larger battery
    Storage capacity: 16GB on ATIV S, 8GB on 820
    Camera: If you really care about the camera quality, check the Nokia 92x or 1020
    Front camera: 820's front camera is almost unusable
    expandability: the same (removeable SIM, microSD, and battery)
    Processor+RAM: pretty much the same

    So, unless you really use turn-by-turn navigation and HERE Drive cost $50 in your country, get the ATIV S. I'm an 820 owner though, I bought it in late 2012, when there was no single information about the ATIV S in my country. If I could turn back time, I would get the ATIV S.
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    08-13-2013 04:46 AM
  20. th0mas96's Avatar
    Can you get your hands on an S3? It has the same display as the Ativ afaik, and it's about the same overall size. For the Lumia, the S2 has the same resolution and size. However, I find the colors on the Lumia a better, they have an additional filter on the display. But with these two phones to compare, you should be good to go. For the rest, the 820 performs a bit better in Graphics (that's the weakest point of Windows Phones, the CPU is pretty fast) due to the lower res, the Ativ is a lot lighter, and it feels completely different.
    To the storage thing, with the maps, music, pictures and videos on the SD I have no problem with the internal storage. "Other" is about 1GB, I have plenty of space left..

    But in the end, Windows Phones are pretty similar. The main differences are the size, the storage and the support. I would test the size, get what you're comfortable with..
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    08-13-2013 05:47 AM
  21. MSFTisMIA's Avatar
    I hate Samsung because corporate stuff. Since ever they only cared abour high-end Android devices, made a billion low-end/mid-end every month and 95% never got updated. Along with that Touchwiz AIDS. Since Android is the big wagon they like and its that mess, I have fear on whats left with Ativ S.

    However I always liked Nokia even before smartphone trend, and they are the lead on WP. But I don't know if I can give a free pass on the 820 just because its Nokia and ignore the other qualities of Ativ S just because its Samsung.

    Others have mentioned GDR2. Is this available to everyone now or being dropped slowly? And Amber Update? Sorry for all the questions but I'm really on a lockdown on this.
    What snowmutt said is right. Nokia because of the 4 year deal HAS to offer better OEM support. There is no guarantee that MSFT will reup with them. MSFT needs 2 OEMs to move WP units well, because, quite frankly, they want the OS brand in the mind of the consumers, not Nokia = WP.

    No question, Samsung is about getting their hands into whatever makes $$$ and bleeding it dry. Most corporations that size are. Trust us, if WP was making money like Android, Samsung would have like 40 WP handsets. Apple, in some ways is no different. I like Apple hardware but don't like the company policies. That wouldn't stop me from using the hardware, I would just show my displeasure in different ways if I used Apple products. Again, WP is a little different from Android in that because the hardware is standard, everyone will get the updates. Now, if you buy a carrier branded phone (like me and the 810), then the carrier has you by the nuts in terms of pushing the update.

    I guess for me, superior hardware I can manipulate to fit my current needs trumps all. At this point, this would be a closer argument if the 822's 16GB internal and its 1800mah battery was in the 820 as the standard version. Nokia has good low end and high end WP8, but their mid range right now isn't enterprising in the bang for buck department. The issue is that their high end phones won't lose much value, i.e. the prices won't drop enough to be seen as mid range value in the following year.

    It is always about buying a phone for what your needs and and how you plan to use it. You've gotten enough good points for each device. We are all curious about what your final choice is.
    08-13-2013 07:40 AM
  22. Jonathan Piferrer's Avatar
    I would feel "strange" using WP in a NON NOKIA device...

    But i think you should go for the L920, instead L820

    Regards from Argentina (neighbours)!
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    08-13-2013 08:04 AM
  23. mary beth hale's Avatar
    i don't have a nokia but can share my experience with ativ s. re: support...i recieved gdr2 last week. samsung has added 4-5 apps past 2 months and i have recieved at least weekly updates for the current samsung apps on my phone. ativ s feels great in hands. despite screen size(which has beautiful display,by the way) it is very thin and light. battery is between 55%-65% at the end of the day for me. i am not a gamer so cannot comment on that aspect of phone. the recent frequent app updates and gdr2 may be due to the fact that Sprint here in the u.s. will be carrying an ativ s variant (ativ s neo) in a few days/weeks. my first windows phone was a samsung as well(the 1st gen focus) and i loved that one,too.call quality and speaker very good. you may want to go to gsm arena or phone arena where you can pull up both phones and compare specs side by side. good luck.
    08-13-2013 08:20 AM
  24. zack251's Avatar
    Im stuck with 820 because I need Here Drive +. There is no comparable offline voice guided navigation to Nokia Here Drive. It is excellent if you travel a lot and dont want to use data or roaming plan. I have not found comparable solution in Google Android that is free and offline. Here Drive+ even has a voice guided navigation in my native language and I can download maps of other countries. I understand that non-Nokia WP devices will only get Here Drive which ties to one country map.
    I agree however that Ativ is a better hardware especially bigger battery and more storage memory. You will soon find that 8gb in 820 will not enough for all your apps needs.
    However, the 820 also holds the advantage by having a wireless charging function which I use a lot.
    08-13-2013 11:10 AM
  25. m3kk's Avatar
    You are. OP is getting both at the same price.
    I believe you failed to read my post correctly buddy
    08-13-2013 11:16 AM
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