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  1. Dantekai14's Avatar
    I laughed to those people who think that Google spy but MS not.
    http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/5003855
    Their are lots if news of ms spying.

    Don't you guys know about NSA case?
    And what Cortana. It's also keep records of yours interest or other things.

    If privacy is the biggest concern for you then the only solution is to stop using internet.
    05-26-2014 09:07 PM
  2. colinkiama's Avatar
    I laughed to those people who think that Google spy but MS not.
    http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/5003855
    Their are lots if news of ms spying.

    Don't you guys know about NSA case?
    And what Cortana. It's also keep records of yours interest or other things.

    If privacy is the biggest concern for you then the only solution is to stop using internet.
    Cortana will keep the records you want her to keep And I don't understand why you Americans are so scared of of the NSA spying on you. Its not like they are gonna spread the info they gathered to a stranger.
    05-26-2014 09:34 PM
  3. fatclue_98's Avatar
    Cortana will keep the records you want her to keep And I don't understand why you Americans are so scared of of the NSA spying on you. Its not like they are gonna spread the info they gathered to a stranger.
    Us Americans that lived through the reign of J. Edgar Hoover or Richard Nixon have every right to be worried. I'll just leave it at that.


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    05-26-2014 09:43 PM
  4. TonyDedrick's Avatar
    That's a strange comment, given the fact that one of the primary considerations in purchasing any product, not just tech hardware, is price point and value. You may not care about it, but most people do.
    I think the point that was being made was why concern yourself (specifically those who criticize Apple for their pricing) on whether or not a product is overpriced if you have no interest in it? Of course in general, people care about the price and value of products they have an interest in.
    05-26-2014 09:50 PM
  5. BobLobIaw's Avatar
    I think the point that was being made was why concern yourself (specifically those who criticize Apple for their pricing) on whether or not a product is overpriced if you have no interest in it? Of course in general, people care about the price and value of products they have an interest in.
    It's funny that you say that because I've asked one of the posters in this thread a similar question: why he is posting 800+ criticisms in a Windows Phone forum if he has no interest in it. But I digress. . . .

    Looking back at the post you referenced, it seems to me he is saying "I don't hate any manufacturer, I don't care about Apple pricing, you should be like me." Still a strange comment in my book.
    05-26-2014 10:01 PM
  6. Karthik Naik's Avatar
    "Spy" and "behind your back" imply that I didn't agree to it up front. It isn't a human reading these, while it theoretically could be. Can you factually prove, with sources that Microsoft isn't watching what you type on your Windows computers and sending it back to their servers? I mean conclusively prove? And before you ask, I'm running Firefox, not Chrome.

    You might not "give a thing", but that isn't the point. That is still a big issue, and a concern. I could say "I don't use google signed in on my computers, and I use a VPN, so google tracking 'is not a thing to me'" but I still refuted the point.

    Google outright says they don't sell to an ad retailer. Do you use Facebook? They do that. Google does EBay style auctions for phrases, like "best dentist" or "fastest car" and they keep the info. There is an "off switch" by the way, called signing out. Can you point me to hard proof that they aren't listening to them? I found an article pointing the other way:
    Kinect for Xbox One: An always-on, works-in-the-dark camera and microphone. What could possibly go wrong? | ExtremeTech

    It isn't safe, as the article I mentioned shows as a fact, they can go to the server room to read anyone's email, whenever they want. Do you use PGP encrypted email for everything? No?

    I didn't say how dare they make money. What I said, or I thought at least implied was:
    Google makes their money soley off of ads. They can only get these ads if people trust them, so their privacy and profits go hand in hand. Microsoft gets money from enough places that if no one trusted their data to Microsoft, they'd still be ok.

    I like how you again referenced so many articles, and factual proof to say it's a huge joke that they lack quality and smoothness. I mean, that must be a fact, as look at sales numbers, Android is severely lagging. I like the W8 tabs, but honestly, if the "lack of quality and smoothness" was what most people felt, would they continue to buy them?

    "google has become an evil corp recently , sadly , accept it and move on" again, I like your well documented proof. I will stop using services that stop using services I find better than Microsofts, as in Google search, Gmail (I never get spam to my Gmail, yes I occasionally see an ad from Google directly, but that's better than the ads I see in my Outlook.com), and Google Voice is a lifesaver when I can't get cell signal, but I can get wifi. To each their own.

    Thanks for your hard hitting fact based expose!

    PS I like some Microsoft services better than Google's, but still, F.U.D. isn't good for anyone.
    i guess you havent even used both microsoft and google services together before or something
    you like the google life, good for you
    microsoft doesnt display ads etc based on your usage etc so it doesnt track you
    as for your "sign out" comment, im never logged in
    i guess you prefer to have your info sold and being spied on
    email spam doesnt differ on any email service, im guessing you dont have any knowledge of how these things work
    android feels like the poor mans ios nowadays(excluding stock android ofcourse)
    they can read your email but atleast they dont sell it
    google tracking is done on your device end not server or ID , it checks your cookies, history etc
    if google is trying to make money off ads, why cant they make something like microsofts advert id or apples iAd which dont sell you out
    im sorry but your comment has a load of flaws and is incorrect in alot of ways, you are very naive about google
    even the worst android fanboys will accept googles flaws but you will not is it?(im not calling you a fanboy dont get me wrong)
    google isnt a saint
    neither is microsoft and apple but atleast they are open about whatever they do, google is sneaky and denies stuff despite proper proof
    05-27-2014 01:07 AM
  7. A895's Avatar
    i guess you havent even used both microsoft and google services together before or something
    you like the google life, good for you
    microsoft doesnt display ads etc based on your usage etc so it doesnt track you
    as for your "sign out" comment, im never logged in
    i guess you prefer to have your info sold and being spied on
    email spam doesnt differ on any email service, im guessing you dont have any knowledge of how these things work
    android feels like the poor mans ios nowadays(excluding stock android ofcourse)
    they can read your email but atleast they dont sell it
    google tracking is done on your device end not server or ID , it checks your cookies, history etc
    if google is trying to make money off ads, why cant they make something like microsofts advert id or apples iAd which dont sell you out
    im sorry but your comment has a load of flaws and is incorrect in alot of ways, you are very naive about google
    even the worst android fanboys will accept googles flaws but you will not is it?(im not calling you a fanboy dont get me wrong)
    google isnt a saint
    neither is microsoft and apple but atleast they are open about whatever they do, google is sneaky and denies stuff despite proper proof
    Google is more transparent than Apple or Microsoft. Sneaky? A read of their TOS or even just figuring out how they make money will give you a good insight.


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    05-27-2014 01:17 AM
  8. A895's Avatar
    For the record I am not justifying Apples pricing, because I think that's what some people think. I actually don't like Apple products, but I can't call them overpriced when devices off contract are all on the same range. That would just be lying.

    I understand we all have biasness and may prefer one company over another but I can't complain about how they do things because no matter what they figured out how to make their products very desirable.

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    05-27-2014 01:19 AM
  9. A895's Avatar
    It's funny that you say that because I've asked one of the posters in this thread a similar question: why he is posting 800+ criticisms in a Windows Phone forum if he has no interest in it. But I digress. . . .

    Looking back at the post you referenced, it seems to me he is saying "I don't hate any manufacturer, I don't care about Apple pricing, you should be like me." Still a strange comment in my book.
    I don't hate any manufacturer. How shallow is my life is that I have to devote energy to such an endeavor? I also don't care about Apples pricing, obviously it works for them, they have a lot of money in the bank and make billions of their phones and sell millions very year.

    I have not been posting 800 criticisms, instead of AGAIN coming at me, have constructive arguments otherwise you don't help your own arguments it's shows that you can't have a decent thought out conversation.

    But I digress...

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    05-27-2014 01:31 AM
  10. Chregu's Avatar
    That's a strange comment, given the fact that one of the primary considerations in purchasing any product, not just tech hardware, is price point and value. You may not care about it, but most people do.
    If something is overpriced you don't buy it. It's not like Apple has a monopoly or anything. If it were overpriced they wouldn't be that successful and had to decrease the prices.

    Apple products are simply not overpriced, they are very successful in their price niche. Every company would be tremendously stupid to decrease prices with all the products they sell for the price.

    You might think that Apple products are being overpriced, but millions of people buying these products obviously don't.
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    05-27-2014 02:43 AM
  11. colinkiama's Avatar
    Getting back to the topic do you think Microsoft should give up on taking over android and focus on taking over apple's market share since they are both using a closed platform os
    05-27-2014 03:53 AM
  12. A895's Avatar
    Microsoft never had a chance at taking Android in the first place. No one does in reality. If anything Microsoft should focus on building on what they have instead of focusing on taking either one of them.

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    05-27-2014 03:57 AM
  13. Chregu's Avatar
    Getting back to the topic do you think Microsoft should give up on taking over android and focus on taking over apple's market share since they are both using a closed platform os
    I just read your initial post again, and I don't see how this has anything to do with the topic. So, let's change the topic.

    Microsoft is trying to take over parts of Andorid's market share by focusing on low cost phones. There's no premium phone available, even the 930 will have less specs and less excitement than the competition. So if they would want to attack Apples market share, they had to provide a premium phone with a premium feel. But seeing that HTC is struggling for years now trying to do exactly that with their Android high-end devices, I don't think it's the best idea.

    Microsoft never had a chance at taking Android in the first place. No one does in reality. If anything Microsoft should focus on building on what they have instead of focusing on taking either one of them.
    I think the problem is that the market is already saturated. There are only a few "dumb-phones" left to win over new users. Most people are already using a smartphone with either Android or iOS. So they have to attack the competition in some way.
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    05-27-2014 03:58 AM
  14. A895's Avatar
    I just read your initial post again, and I don't see how this has anything to do with the topic. So, let's change the topic.

    Microsoft is trying to take over parts of Andorid's market share by focusing on low cost phones. There's no premium phone available, even the 930 will have less specs and less excitement than the competition. So if they would want to attack Apples market share, they had to provide a premium phone with a premium feel. But seeing that HTC is struggling for years now trying to do exactly that with their Android high-end devices, I don't think it's the best idea.



    I think the problem is that the market is already saturated. There are only a few "dumb-phones" left to win over new users. Most people are already using a smartphone with either Android or iOS. So they have to attack the competition in some way.
    I agree that's why I think they need to build on what they have and leverage what they have and other competitors don't. We have definitely reached the point where people change phones 1.5-2 years now. The phone I am using now, I have had since December and I am on the latest OS. So Microsoft definitely has to differentiate compared to iOS and Android.

    I think they definitely need to keep using Xbox branding as it is more consumer friendly, and more recognizable.

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    05-27-2014 04:22 AM
  15. Karthik Naik's Avatar
    Google is more transparent than Apple or Microsoft. Sneaky? A read of their TOS or even just figuring out how they make money will give you a good insight.


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    what you posted is valid but why isnt there an off switch or a way to turn it off, it would not hurt them as such because 98% of people wouldnt even use or know abt it even if they made one but im one of the 2%, thats sneaky isnt it
    05-27-2014 04:39 AM
  16. Vishnu Hs's Avatar
    I just read your initial post again, and I don't see how this has anything to do with the topic. So, let's change the topic.

    Microsoft is trying to take over parts of Andorid's market share by focusing on low cost phones. There's no premium phone available, even the 930 will have less specs and less excitement than the competition. So if they would want to attack Apples market share, they had to provide a premium phone with a premium feel. But seeing that HTC is struggling for years now trying to do exactly that with their Android high-end devices, I don't think it's the best idea.



    I think the problem is that the market is already saturated. There are only a few "dumb-phones" left to win over new users. Most people are already using a smartphone with either Android or iOS. So they have to attack the competition in some way.
    Exactly..
    05-27-2014 04:43 AM
  17. Karthik Naik's Avatar
    I just read your initial post again, and I don't see how this has anything to do with the topic. So, let's change the topic.

    Microsoft is trying to take over parts of Andorid's market share by focusing on low cost phones. There's no premium phone available, even the 930 will have less specs and less excitement than the competition. So if they would want to attack Apples market share, they had to provide a premium phone with a premium feel. But seeing that HTC is struggling for years now trying to do exactly that with their Android high-end devices, I don't think it's the best idea.



    I think the problem is that the market is already saturated. There are only a few "dumb-phones" left to win over new users. Most people are already using a smartphone with either Android or iOS. So they have to attack the competition in some way.
    actually other than a few high end phones , HTC mid range and low range phones feel inferior to the competition
    even the moto G has a better quality build than the lower HTCs
    the 930 is actually one of the best lumias ever produced in terms of design etc
    infact all lumias except the 625,620 and 630 feel very premium(the 6xx series isnt bad but compared to the other lumias it is)
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    05-27-2014 04:43 AM
  18. BobLobIaw's Avatar
    If something is overpriced you don't buy it. It's not like Apple has a monopoly or anything. If it were overpriced they wouldn't be that successful and had to decrease the prices.

    Apple products are simply not overpriced, they are very successful in their price niche. Every company would be tremendously stupid to decrease prices with all the products they sell for the price.

    You might think that Apple products are being overpriced, but millions of people buying these products obviously don't.
    And millions of people do think that Apple products are overpriced. "Don't buy it then" is a lame response that is just a glorified "who cares?" argument that adds nothing to the discussion. You're chastising someone for bringing up a perspective that you happen to disagree with. The person who brought up the point wasn't even complaining about it, so why are you pretending he was?
    05-27-2014 04:50 AM
  19. Chregu's Avatar
    And millions of people do think that Apple products are overpriced. "Don't buy it then" is a lame response that is just a glorified "who cares?" argument that adds nothing to the discussion. You're chastising someone for bringing up a perspective that you happen to disagree with. The person who brought up the point wasn't even complaining about it, so why are you pretending he was?
    I'm arguing from the companies point of view. There's not reason for them to decrease prices. If you don't like it don't buy it. There's really no reason why you should care at all. And I think the high-price point of Apple products is something that makes them more successful, not less. Apple products are premium, people buy them because they are premium. This is partially due to the high price, but it only works because the quality and user experience justifies the price to some extent. I think that's also the reason Apple doesn't try to release a low-cost phone. It would destroy their image long-term.

    The situation is different from an user's point of view of course. If you don't think they offer a good enough experience for you to justify the price, if you think other products offer more for the price, then you are free to buy these alternatives. No reason to dislike Apple over it.

    There are people paying 50 $ for a t-shirt after all.

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    05-27-2014 05:01 AM
  20. pranaysonirip's Avatar
    Just get out of here......
    05-27-2014 05:06 AM
  21. EC Translating Services's Avatar
    I laughed to those people who think that Google spy but MS not.
    Latest Reason To Quit Hotmail: Microsoft Admits To Spying On It
    Their are lots if news of ms spying.

    Don't you guys know about NSA case?
    And what Cortana. It's also keep records of yours interest or other things.

    If privacy is the biggest concern for you then the only solution is to stop using internet.
    Due to the particular nature of current US "democracy" there are very few (not to say none) US companies able to grant privacy at the moment. The first known backdoor from MSFT was reported in Win 98 and since there on and on. However, Google has taken this at a whole different level (and the NSA). The data is not just collected for commercial uses by Google. It's then saved in servers where it can be recycled (despite the NSA denying some aspects of this) and used for military purposes, personal profiling, blackmailing you if the case in the future, and, as it happened since Echelon, gain economic advantages. Today there isn't much difference between China and the US in this respect. Perhaps the US are even worse because, to put it as many of their allies (like Brazil and others) said "they have abused the long relationship of friendship to spy on their closests allies"..sometimes with allies willing or partially so, sometimes with allies totally unaware (Same UK, same Australia). Google/MSFT/YAHOO/SKYPE are not secondary actors in this. They have had important roles, for a long time.
    05-27-2014 06:34 AM
  22. Chregu's Avatar
    actually other than a few high end phones , HTC mid range and low range phones feel inferior to the competition
    even the moto G has a better quality build than the lower HTCs
    the 930 is actually one of the best lumias ever produced in terms of design etc
    infact all lumias except the 625,620 and 630 feel very premium(the 6xx series isnt bad but compared to the other lumias it is)
    Don't get me wrong. I'm not disputing the quality of Lumias or the 930. It's a sweet phone. It looks good, it has good hardware, it has a good OS, it has a very good camera. It's great! But it's in no way exciting.
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    05-27-2014 07:05 AM
  23. savagelizards's Avatar
    Cortana will keep the records you want her to keep And I don't understand why you Americans are so scared of of the NSA spying on you. Its not like they are gonna spread the info they gathered to a stranger.
    As an American, I will take that on.

    The problem with our own American Government spying on us is twofold. First, we are an open society based on free speech. Our government should be afraid of the people, not the people of the Government. The ability to read our private communications allows the government almost unprecedented ability to know how to manipulate the people.

    In a democracy, you own you. The government doesn't own you. It's purpose is to serve you. Corrupting that purpose corrupts your own rights to self-determination. It's why in American law there has always been a provision for privacy.

    I am not trying to argue that Americans love our Government or that it's not corrupt or even that it's doing a reasonable job, but our imperfect system has its merits, and it's worth preserving our privacy to preserve our liberty. For me personally, that's why I don't feel comfortable in a walled-off Apple dictatorship (Stalin made the trains run on time, after all, but that's not for me), but that's another story.

    The second reason is primarily why I am opposed to the collection of any of this data, and that's because the creation and storage of this data creates an unnecessary vulnerability. The government has proven itself vulnerable to hacking across the board. Should we assume that the NSA is so clever that it itself cannot be hacked? Knowledge is power, and if the NSA is collecting all our phone and email traffic and someone knows how to access that data, they could manipulate outcomes for their own benefit. It could be anything from betting on sports (imagine if you knew that the star quarterback was having blinding headaches that he was hiding from the coaching staff) to betting on the stock market (the CEO was having second thoughts about that big merger) to whose wife or husband was having an affair.

    For that same reason, I don't want Google indexing my email. Or storing data about my movements, or which web pages I might go to. Any centralized collection of this sort of data should be illegal.

    And for those of you that will say Google has required you to agree to its privacy policy, we all know that no one ever reads the policy, since the services they provide are not available unless you accept. Many times it's the store clerk who is setting up your new Galaxy S5 that's accepting that privacy policy anyway (I have watched this repeatedly). No one would buy an Android device and then fail to activate it's most powerful features. And Google, by requiring you to establish a gmail account to use the phone, leaves you always signed in and your device constantly reporting back everything you do.

    When I got my Nokia Icon, it was because I was making a conscious effort to remove myself from the Google ecosystem. It was initially very frustrating, because there were key holes in the OS and no good browsers. 8.1 solved virtually all of my complaints, and I am finally quite happy with my phone. And yes, my advertising ID is turned off.

    It may seem ironic given the core values of Google when the company was founded (don't be evil), but I have a lot more trust in Microsoft than I do Google. That's important, not only for my privacy now, but also for a future world in which virtually everything in our digital lives will be stored in the cloud.

    Imagine having 100gb of data on Google Drive and they announce a change to their privacy policy. Could you move it all quickly enough? Would you?

    Before you say that they would never make such a change because they would lose their user base, ask yourself why so many people willingly click accept now when they activate their smartphones. Is it because they have weighed the risks and trust Google to have their best interests at heart? Or because they just don't realize what they are giving away?

    In a democracy, you own you. Not a king or a dictator. But in Google's world, they own you - the moment you click accept. You are not simply purchasing a consumer electronics product, and you are most certainly NOT Google's customer - you are their PRODUCT.
    05-27-2014 07:09 AM
  24. bobbob1016's Avatar
    The 5S also has a 64-bit processor, metal construction and much higher resale value. Like I said, value means more than dollars and cents. My point is not only valid, it's vindicated. I don't like the iPhone or iOS, but I'm not blind to its virtues. Just like I don't care for Scarlett Johansson, but there's no denying she's smoking hot.
    No, it's valid, and opinion. What everyone has been saying is value is relative. Personally, I don't care about the construction of the phone as if I'm going to use a case, who cares? 64 bit in a phone doesn't make much sense yet either. I like NFC and Wireless charging, I think those have more value as they're more functional. Here's a case and point:
    http://www.vaautoracing.org/images4/RiceBurner2.JPG
    Someone gives this car a lot of value. I don't, as I *hate* imports. If I had this car as stock, I'd gladly trade it for a muscle car (that was in decent condition), even if the resell value of the muscle car was much less, because personally, I value a good Mustang (even a foxbody) over any import any day.

    Tl;dr, one man's trash is another man's treasure.
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    05-27-2014 07:59 AM
  25. Karthik Naik's Avatar
    Don't get me wrong. I'm not disputing the quality of Lumias or the 930. It's a sweet phone. It looks good, it has good hardware, it has a good OS, it has a very good camera. It's great! But it's in no way exciting.
    i guess thats sorta true
    i dont really feel like upgrading from my 720 just yet
    i want an upgrade thats really an upgrade too
    not that the current lumias are bad but i want more of wp
    maybe a newer design as well that way i can keep my 720 and get a newer lumia too
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    05-27-2014 08:16 AM
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