06-02-2014 02:39 PM
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  1. Pierre Blackwell's Avatar
    I find it a little premature that people are dissatisfied by the progress of WP. Lets face it, where was iOS and Android after four years? The market was completely different back then. I think the next few years will really tell what WP can become. They provide a more stable and safer OS than Android and at a cheaper price than iOS. They're market share is competing with Android in many countries and even ahead of Apple in others. This is at a time when MSFT is finally realizing that WP can be used not just for a purely Mobil experience but as a link to a much broader server, gaming experience. They are predicted to take away market share from Apple in the coming years and grow in popularity in the hottest markets like Asia, while continuing to grow in Europe. 4% may seem miniscule, but there is a bigger underlying theme, and while Android is safe, Apple needs to watch their back.
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    06-01-2014 01:04 AM
  2. jojoe42's Avatar
    I find it a little premature that people are dissatisfied by the progress of WP. Lets face it, where was iOS and Android after four years? The market was completely different back then. I think the next few years will really tell what WP can become. They provide a more stable and safer OS than Android and at a cheaper price than iOS. They're market share is competing with Android in many countries and even ahead of Apple in others. This is at a time when MSFT is finally realizing that WP can be used not just for a purely Mobil experience but as a link to a much broader server, gaming experience. They are predicted to take away market share from Apple in the coming years and grow in popularity in the hottest markets like Asia, while continuing to grow in Europe. 4% may seem miniscule, but there is a bigger underlying theme, and while Android is safe, Apple needs to watch their back.
    It's just because there was no pressure to catch-up as much when iOS and Android were starting out. If WP had started out at the same time with the same level of progression WP would've been miles ahead ages ago.
    06-01-2014 03:13 AM
  3. A895's Avatar
    After 4 years (2012), Android had over 50% of the smartphone market and iOS had almost 30% in 2011. Windows phone 8 (because let's be honest, WP didn't really grow until WP8) came at a time when the market was starting to be saturated and maturing. So growth is expected to be slow. I also am trying to understand why is no one holding Microsoft/Nokia accountable for lackluster marketing? I hope when Windows Phone 8.1 goes OTA, there is a new marketing blitz to get some more buyers for the back to school and holiday shopping crowd.

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    06-01-2014 05:35 AM
  4. A895's Avatar
    It's just because there was no pressure to catch-up as much when iOS and Android were starting out. If WP had started out at the same time with the same level of progression WP would've been miles ahead ages ago.
    I can't even say that with certainty. Who knows is the developer support would have been there or the carrier push? Microsoft had quite a few stumbles in mobile during the time Android and iOS came about so I don't think they would have had the same level of support. The Microsoft Kin and Verizon being the worst of it.

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    06-01-2014 05:37 AM
  5. SchlepNT's Avatar
    With 8.1, there are still a few features that could be added, but they're mostly caught up. The two pressing concerns for Microsoft should be to create a flagship phone that's available on every carrier, and to convince the makers of the top 5% of apps to bring the quality up to the same level as the Android/iOS versions.
    06-01-2014 05:39 AM
  6. A895's Avatar
    With 8.1, there are still a few features that could be added, but they're mostly caught up. The two pressing concerns for Microsoft should be to create a flagship phone that's available on every carrier, and to convince the makers of the top 5% of apps to bring the quality up to the same level as the Android/iOS versions.
    That's the rub. They can't seem to get a flagship device on all carriers for some reason. Every other manufacturer can do it, why can't Nokia?

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    06-01-2014 05:43 AM
  7. colinkiama's Avatar
    That's the rub. They can't seem to get a flagship device on all carriers for some reason. Every other manufacturer can do it, why can't Nokia?

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    Don't blame Nokia, blame Microsoft, they paid the manufacturers so that they do the advertising themselves (even do they suck)
    06-01-2014 07:49 AM
  8. Pierre Blackwell's Avatar
    Actually blame the carriers. Only AT&T jumped in with both feet when it came to WP8. However Verizon is starting to take notice. OEMs in Asia are facing the same issues. What carriers will sell WP. The good news is with more OEMs it gives consumers more variety, because lets face it, Nokia owns WP right now. You're right about the market having a different dynamic now and Apple still only targeting the top 15% of economic bracket. As for marketing, it only seems to lacking in the US. At least they have WP commercials in other countries. That's been one of MSFTs biggest issues. Hopefully Satya realizes that. Again, even with such a saturated market, there is a window for WP to really establish themselves.
    06-01-2014 08:25 AM
  9. A895's Avatar
    Don't blame Nokia, blame Microsoft, they paid the manufacturers so that they do the advertising themselves (even do they suck)
    Nokia owns Windows Phone market share are owned by Microsoft so it is Microsoft's and Nokia's fault for the lackluster advertising.

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    06-01-2014 08:29 AM
  10. A895's Avatar
    Actually blame the carriers. Only AT&T jumped in with both feet when it came to WP8. However Verizon is starting to take notice. OEMs in Asia are facing the same issues. What carriers will sell WP. The good news is with more OEMs it gives consumers more variety, because lets face it, Nokia owns WP right now. You're right about the market having a different dynamic now and Apple still only targeting the top 15% of economic bracket. As for marketing, it only seems to lacking in the US. At least they have WP commercials in other countries. That's been one of MSFTs biggest issues. Hopefully Satya realizes that. Again, even with such a saturated market, there is a window for WP to really establish themselves.
    Carriers shouldn't have to do all the marketing. The manufacturer has to as well. Otherwise the carrier won't order more stock if it does not sell.

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    06-01-2014 08:31 AM
  11. colinkiama's Avatar
    Nokia owns Windows Phone market share are owned by Microsoft so it is Microsoft's and Nokia's fault for the lackluster advertising.

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    Recently they did.
    06-01-2014 09:31 AM
  12. A895's Avatar
    Recently they did.
    Yeah months ago. I haven't seen a Windows Phone ad in months. Not since maybe March.
    06-01-2014 11:26 AM
  13. SchlepNT's Avatar
    There hasn't been much to market. Icon and ATIV are both exclusive. Maybe the new low end phones will get a bit of a push. Otherwise they'll wait til the end of the year like always.
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    06-01-2014 03:46 PM
  14. paulxxwall's Avatar
    WP will stay 3rd for ever! Here in us... Won't get past 4-5% maybe 6%
    06-01-2014 03:54 PM
  15. A895's Avatar
    There hasn't been much to market. Icon and ATIV are both exclusive. Maybe the new low end phones will get a bit of a push. Otherwise they'll wait til the end of the year like always.
    That is true. But everyone ramps up ads for the fall/back to school and holiday seasons.
    06-01-2014 04:31 PM
  16. edoug's Avatar
    WP will stay 3rd for ever! Here in us... Won't get past 4-5% maybe 6%
    After 8.1 is rolled I think there will be more adoption. I agree with the other post earlier that 8.1 really delivers an effectively caught up experience. If Microsoft can attract and retain the top titles through that release AND have a handset ready to rally behind, I see no reason why they couldn't grab a 15% share rapidly.
    06-01-2014 04:40 PM
  17. A895's Avatar
    After 8.1 is rolled I think there will be more adoption. I agree with the other post earlier that 8.1 really delivers an effectively caught up experience. If Microsoft can attract and retain the top titles through that release AND have a handset ready to rally behind, I see no reason why they couldn't grab a 15% share rapidly.
    15% is being very optimistic. I say maybe a 2-3 percentage points between now and next year this time. there is still the iPhone 6 that might sway a lot of people. I am interested personally in what it looks like.
    06-01-2014 06:00 PM
  18. Moiz Mian's Avatar
    The only way WP can jump ahead the 5% mark is if they can come up with an update that leapfrogs the competition and has some sort of experience that no other operating system has. Whether that be an enticing and unified ecosystem between Windows, WP, and Xbox, or wearable technology, or new phone features, but they have to create an experience that people will want. Playing catch up does not create converts.
    06-01-2014 10:45 PM
  19. BobLobIaw's Avatar
    The sky is certainly the limit based on the resources at Microsoft's disposal. Whether it soars or stalls remains to be seen. The first set of post-Nokia purchase phones will be critical.
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    06-02-2014 12:27 AM
  20. Torcher Death's Avatar
    I agree...MS has a lot of work ahead of it such as releasing 8.1 officially, wooing developers to make/update their apps, designing a flagship device, making better ads & finally, if they succed in doing all this, try to come up with something totally new & wacky that the other competitors cannot offer... which is very hard & involves a lot of brain storming
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    06-02-2014 02:01 AM
  21. A895's Avatar
    The only way WP can jump ahead the 5% mark is if they can come up with an update that leapfrogs the competition and has some sort of experience that no other operating system has. Whether that be an enticing and unified ecosystem between Windows, WP, and Xbox, or wearable technology, or new phone features, but they have to create an experience that people will want. Playing catch up does not create converts.
    You nailed it right on the head.
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    06-02-2014 07:33 AM
  22. etphoto's Avatar
    I know a lot of people disagree. But I couldn't care less how much market share WP has. I have one and like it a lot. Use it daily for email, texting and of course, phone calls (and a few other minor things).
    06-02-2014 07:43 AM
  23. edoug's Avatar
    Microsoft is starting to leverage their media properties in Windows and in WP that create real value and are front and center in Cortana. Take the Sports, News, Health, & Food apps all syncing seamlessly between devices and feeding Cortana's headlines and interests feature. Neither Google not Apple have a platform like it to draw from (Google has some of this but more in aggregation than MSN). The push to make OneNote a distinct platform helps too.

    These are the things I think that will fuel the growth.
    06-02-2014 08:09 AM
  24. MDMcAtee's Avatar
    That's the rub. They can't seem to get a flagship device on all carriers for some reason. Every other manufacturer can do it, why can't Nokia?

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    Overhead.......

    I've been told by att managers that it all comes down to their cost. People in general are willing to pay premium for Apple not for anything else. The stores stock reflect this.

    The carriers can give away Androids including tablets in a bundle and get in sales...anyone's else bundles cost more,and they make less money.

    Mac
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    06-02-2014 08:20 AM
  25. A895's Avatar
    Overhead.......

    I've been told by att managers that it all comes down to their cost. People in general are willing to pay premium for Apple not for anything else. The stores stock reflect this.

    The carriers can give away Androids including tablets in a bundle and get in sales...anyone's else bundles cost more,and they make less money.

    Mac
    Makes sense. Maybe if Nokia was willing to take a loss to make their phones prices lower and then maybe carriers would be willing to tale them then.

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    06-02-2014 12:13 PM
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