Anyone having doubts about the WP8?

[cp2_4eva]

The Galaxy S3 and HTC One X can take a picture while recording video on the quad core international versions and the dual core US versions. That's a pretty cool feature too if you ask me.

That's what I'm saying though. But I'm now certain of how closely related the use of quad cores is to doing features like this. I mean our current devices can't do it. Maybe HTC and Sammy will do this in the coming months? Who knows. This is where part of the doubt is. Will we get some of those cool features? Some people don't care. Some people do. I'd like that.

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[scottcraft]

That's what I'm saying though. But I'm now certain of how closely related the use of quad cores is to doing features like this. I mean our current devices can't do it. Maybe HTC and Sammy will do this in the coming months? Who knows. This is where part of the doubt is. Will we get some of those cool features? Some people don't care. Some people do. I'd like that.

Sent from my PI86100 using Board Express

I don't know if our current devices not being able to take pictures while recording is because of hardware limitations or not. I like to think HTC and Samsung will include this on WP8, because hardware certainly won't be a limitation. I'm sure it requires extra software in the camera app, but nothing like Nokia pure view requires.

 

[eric12341]

what??

htc one x and sgs3 both have quad core (international versions).

Also many pcs have quad core for a couple years now...

You spout a lot of trash but have no clue what you're talking about

International but not stateside. You spout more trash than I ever could, there's a reason why I have so many liked and thanked posts compared to yours.

 

[scottcraft]

If it wasn't for LTE requirements the US versions of the One X and GS3 would probably be quad core also. I've tried to determine if the European versions have any better performance but I haven't gotten a clear answer. If they are better it's probably not by much.

 

[Someone Else]

Local sync for Outlook and Docs?

I know this is strange to many on this forum, but I returned my WP7 LG Quantum the day I got it and picked up a Blackberry instead. This Quantum was the first phone I'd had in several years that could not sync locally with Outlook on my computer. This was the single biggest customer complaint when the phone came out.

There are a number of reasons that many of us are not willing to use the cloud for all syncing. I am very worried that this basic functionality (local sync) will still not come with WP8, in which case I and many others will not be migrating. Check the threads on Microsoft Answers about this - people continue to be incredulous that WP7 can't do what Apple, Blackberry, and WM 6.x can do. Why can't the phone on my desk talk directly to Outlook on my desktop?

I've always liked Microsoft products, and still love my Zune HD. As for the phone, I see vague references to better integration, but still nothing that gives me confidence. Can we get a new version of ActiveSync?

 

[dasfoto]

I agree! I'm tired of waiting too!
I want a Nokia or a HTC WP8 smartphone by the end of this year. And I want it with very good specs (quadcore), at least 4.3' screen, very good camera (if it is a Nokia, then I want PureView), many apps and games (exclusives or released at the same time as the iOS and Android versions), nice design, etc...

If the first Nokias and HTCs don't deliver this, I'll not wait for their second WP8 phones because I'm sick of this waiting game.

I've been literally waiting for more than 2 years for Nokia to release the best smartphone available in the market... the iPhone and Galaxy S killer... it didn't happen, why should I believe that it will happen this time (in the next 6 months)?

If they don't deliver I'll just quit this loyalty nonsense, because RIGHT NOW there are already phones that deliver this stuff that I want, I just don't buy them because they aren't the brand that I want.

But if I think about this with na opened mind, the brands that I want aren't giving me what I want and the brands that I don't want already have what I want. It sounds complicated, but maybe, just maybe, I want the brands that I think that I don't want!

Why are you so fixated on hardware specs? It's functionality that matters and if your phone is fast and efficient with a single core processor, why do you feel the need to drain your battery just so you can brag about a multicore processor? It's what WP8 phones can do as a whole including its ecosystem that really matters, not over-kill on hardware specs.

 

[Jalik]

I know we are still a few months out, but there are people ditching WP and going back to Android because they don't really know what to expect this Fall/winter. People already put their bids in on 18 month contracts with their GS3 and One X. Even I feel like a bit of a fool waiting on the unknown.

the next super phone always is just around the corner. if you didn't buy the GS3 or OneX you don't loose anything, because when the next round of halo phones is released those two are gonna look outdated already. what the others do right now is of no importance. be patient

 

[X0LARIUM]

Just one question to all those who are Pro-Multi cores.

If they were to not tell you how many cores it has, and you were to compare with other platforms and find out your device is much much faster, would you still care for how many cores it has??

Just think about it.

Sent from my RaZr Nexus.

 

[AngryNil]

Of course. I'm a tech geek and I ultimately know that Android can offer me more, and while Microsoft seems to be doing some great work that could promote the app ecosystem as a highlight (handling files and cross-app communication are huge advantages), Microsoft needs to put more work into satisfying basic complaints about the OS feature-set and unnecessary restrictions.

One annoyance: I am pretty sure that WP8 devices will be priced as new devices, and hence will be more expensive than the GSIII, One X & Galaxy Nexus despite having comparable hardware. With the way contracts work in Australia, I'd probably save around $400 if I went with the GN. The only thing that has me holding out from such a choice is Nokia's design chops and imaging expertise.

If they were to not tell you how many cores it has, and you were to compare with other platforms and find out your device is much much faster, would you still care for how many cores it has??

Except that WP7 isn't "faster". It is more responsive to touch and feels smooth in the native experience, but third party apps load slower and are often more sluggish than on Android / iOS. None of the "triple A mobile titles" would be able to run at anywhere close to the quality we can experience on competing flagships.

 

[XB_Mod]

I have major doubts...I kind of cannot believe that the SDK is actually revealing everything because if it is, then WP8 is a joke of an update for consumers. They won't care about the new kernal etc.

If really this is it, I don't see WP being around much longer because I don't see people buying it more than they do today. Nokia would die and WP would be too expensive for Microsoft to develop at current returns on investment.

Lets compare WP8 consumer features to WP 7.5

keep in mind WP 7.5 development started somewhere at the end of 2010 and was first shown in February 2011 (WMC). Ever since Android has released 3 versions. Mango was RTM'd 14 months ago but it took Microsoft around 9 months to develop Mango. The result were 500 new features.

The biggest visible new cool features

people hub -> groups, twitter integration, linkedin integration, expanded facebook integration, contact history added

me-tile -> check ins, notification center, changing avatar from facebook, msn, twitter etc.
visual voice mail
bing audio
bing vision
local scout
much deeper TellMe integration for search, texts and bluetooth headsets to read texts etc.
custom ringtones
office -> SkyDrive integration, Office 365 Integration
games hub -> new design, "recent games", 3d avatar, messages from Xbox, achievements, avatar editing usw.
calendar -> to-do lists, facebook integration for events, birthdays etc.
emails -> threaded emails, linked inbox, flags, new folder structure
messaging -> facebook chat integration, msn live integration, new design, switch between chat or text, unified threaded messaging
musik + video -> design overhaul for the better, new music player, podcast OTA und podcast subscriptions, smart DJ, playlists etc.
deep linking
quick cards
turn by turn navigation (without real voice)
new live tile system with flipping tiles for devs
IE9 browser, url landscrape support, html5
kamera -> tagging people, support for front facing cams, new settings, save settings etc.
battery saver
background task control
tethering
multi-tasking for 3rd party apps with fast app switching
new mini drop down player
lock screen connecting to zune music

and a lot of more. Thats just at the top of my head.

WP8 so far (visible consumer features)

Lenses for camera
new start screen
Data Sense
VOIP integration
notifications for 5 apps on lock screen
IE10
cloud backup
wallet (which will be pretty useless for now, not exactly a big deal)
bing headlines (most likely us only)
(Nokia Turn by Turn) -> nothing new if you already have a lumia
tellme api's for apps (most useless thing EVER, in the demo he hits the micro button to say PAUSE rather than just pressing pause next to it, thats as gimmick as they come).

adding few colors to the themes or adding 2 cards to the fast app switching tools...thats done in 10 minute of work and I won't add them as "new features"...neither does rebranding zune or the new office logo do us any good.

but looking at the grand scheme and how WP8 was supposed to bring feature parity and how its as big as an update as WP7 was to Windows Mobile 6.5 etc...

sorry but so far from a consumer perspective WP8 looks like a joke compared to even Mango in pretty much twice as much developing time. With the 7.8 update bringing the homescreen to older devices, it seems to me that WP8 will have practically nothing to impress people who didn't like WP before. Sure the platform as a whole took a HUGE leap with adding 25 new languages, expanding marketplace, enabling much more dev capabilities etc...but for someone in the UK, France and all these other important markets...its a meh update from what they see in stores especially since it will take a lot of time for devs etc. to take advantage of the new platform features. And they will only do that if the platform takes off or else they feel its not worth it since there are zero WP8 users to target when its ready to go.

Belfiore admited their work to bring the NT kernal to WP8 started in 2009 so you can't excuse the lack of features with "heavy kernal work".

If thats really it, expect Nokia and Microsoft to struggle to increase marketshare significantly any time soon. Microsoft is slow and Nokia can create the greatest hardware that people won't buy because they get everything first on other platforms.

I have my flame suit on for a few kids to call me a troll and what not... Not paying attention to this isn't exactly smart. At the end of the day people have to go in stores see this go up against iPhone 5 and Samsung Galaxy S3 etc. and say "this is better and I want to buy this"....without the mind share it actually has to be better by a landslide to get people away from the next iPhone.

Is Microsoft really not realizing this? ignoring people's major complains for notification center, universal search, folders, closing apps, toggles for Wifi etc., differenciating between system sound and ringtone and music sound, full screen browsing, vpn client support, outlook sync etc. etc. is not really a smart idea.

the multitasking is still awful IMO and the app restarts when you hit the tile even though its running in the background, the system sound makes it impossible to listen to music and type a text etc...Windows Phone still severely lacks very simple features like sending contacts, syncing your emails with outlook or searching calendar. Even Symbian does that stuff without a flinch.

It really doesn't matter what Microsoft thinks about these features. People want them and like them on their iOS or Android devices. If you can deliver, you will sell and if you can't then you won't. Its a very simple market dynamic. Supply adjusts to demand.

 

[albadi88]

am i the only one who think MS trying to be the 3rd horse , player call it whatever is
the reason not getting anywhere i mean the should try to be the choice #1 whenever
a customer want to buy a phone i don't have doubts about WP is the best OS i ever used and im sure WP8 is gone be a badass however they should speed up the update cycle for phones and force the Dev who make Apps to update their app so it could run on the newest updates for a second check FB app it crush on tango (or at least that happen to me) whenever i try to like a comment

 

[XB_Mod]

Why is this ****** here? They're not all the features you dumb**** you are clearly the dumbest person I have ever herad from here. You shouldn't even deserve to be here at wpcentral. Now go away. Still can't believe I see people like you here. Forum moderator can you please close this thread please. And ban this troll as well. I swear to god I want to punch his trolling face and tell him he's wrong

thanks for your maturity and original arguments. Actually as an admin of another forum, I would immidiately ban members like you who have nothing to say except insulting other people on the freakin internet. Thats ******** my friend, may god have mercy on your (poor) soul.

Being a personal consultant of Nokia's WP platform and having very close ties to them, I have great interest in this to succeed. But I don't even want to talk to you for obvious reasons.

Doing this for a living, I have more Windows Phones than you will probably buy in your entire life...and you have to call me a troll...the irony is quite striking.

 

[12Danny123]

thanks for your maturity and original arguments. Actually as an admin of another forum, I would immidiately ban members like you who have nothing to say except insulting other people on the freakin internet. Thats ******** my friend, may god have mercy on your (poor) soul.

Dude. I'm a teen 15 years. Of course I'm not mature yet. And yes. I do have anger problems. Which is descended from my family

But seriously saying that ms will fail in the mobile space . Is very idiotic
Did you know. That every device with win 8 software counts as how many copies that has been sold. You'll see tones of people in big companies dumping their iPad for a win 8 tablet. Especially you'll see the ms surface sold out instantly. Which you'll know.

And no I'm not much of a techy person. So don't need too much phones.I'm perfectly social person. Go to parties, talk in class, text a lot, Skype, going out with my girlfriend to the beach or to the mall. Be more like that really does help you

 

[Big Supes]

Not doubting at all. WP will keep smoking the competition.

 

[12Danny123]

Not doubting at all. WP will keep smoking the competition.

Agree. Wp8 has all the future stuff. The cloud integration tightly. I can see why that wp will become a perfect alternative to other OS's. And the third OS

So It gonna have

Freaking killer games
cloud with skydrive. Basically your storage for everything now
Integration


You can see why gamers and gaming companies are attracted to wp8

Now it's only three OS's left here standing. Nothing else can get in

 

[XB_Mod]

Dude. I'm a teen 15 years. Of course I'm not mature yet. what are you in your seventies? If you think you're a pefect person?

But seriously saying that ms will fail in the mobile space . Is very idiotic

ok if you are 15, you are forgiven.

Listen, Microsoft has failed twice in the mobile space already with WM 6.5 and WP7 so far.

Do you understand? I work for Nokia, I talk to Elop WEEKLY, I talk to the smart devices business unit every single day. I talk to Microsoft weekly too.

I haven't seen WP8 though, I would lie. All I have seen is what you have seen. I have 100s of RSP reports on my desk every day. I SEE what people want to buy, I see their arguments...I talk to sales people EVERY single day. I see what they complain about and what customers complain about.

I hear the average joe talk about WP...not some random ****** on a dedicated forums.

I'm not saying WP will fail, I'm not miss cleo and I don't know. But if what we have seen from the SDK is final, then Microsoft has at least failed to meet the expectations of the geeks. As far as the average joe, they don't even know WP8 or WP7 for that matter. Everyone wants an iPhone or a Galaxy or an HTC One X. At least in Europe which is the region under my watch. I work for a carrier as well as a smartphone specialist but I can't make that public.

Calm down and realize that when you have no mind share, you need a much superior product to succeed. Look at the WP7 marketshare. It certainly was much better than Gingerbread and had no chance to beat it because they had only a few devices, too little amount of apps and nobody recommended WP to them because nobody has it.

With this uphill battle, Microsoft needs to be BETTER to even give RSPs an argument to convince people to buy one. Saying the UI is more beautiful is subjective, I have seen many people thinking the IPhone is nicer or easier to use (which it isn't). You need facts. You have to say this Windows Phone does this and this iPhone can't do this. With iOS even getting facebook and twitter integration, Microsoft needs to find a feature that people crave for. That people want. You need to give people an incentive to switch and learn everything again and spend on the apps again etc.

If you really think WP8 is coming to conquer the market by storm you are in for a rude awakening. Its a very fast moving and tough business and you only succeed if you are fast and keep adding features and keep filling your ecosystem.

So many stuff on WP isn't available in Europe...podcasts, local scout, zune pass, bing maps aren't close to google maps, etc. etc...Microsoft has to expand those services to make people benefit from it.

Lets assume I'm an iPhone user, not so impressed with metro and didn't like WP7...what would make me switch to WP8? can you answer that? if thats hard to answer then Microsoft is in trouble.

Even Microsoft has privately told me personally they aren't super confident about WP platform taking off. Before WP7 launched they were. They thought people will be standing in line to get it. They speculated people don't know/care about whats missing.
Now they sound like "lets see whats going to happen"...they are much more humble these days for very accurate reasons.

 

[a5cent]

On synching with Outlook and the cloud

This Quantum was the first phone I'd had in several years that could not sync locally with Outlook on my computer. This was the single biggest customer complaint when the phone came out
...
There are a number of reasons that many of us are not willing to use the cloud for all syncing. I am very worried that this basic functionality (local sync) will still not come with WP8

Owning very sensitive/confidential data is a good reason not to use cloud services. However, if that's what you're dealing with, you most definitely shouldn't be carrying that data around on a smartphone. Otherwise you are just kidding yourself! Loss or theft of portable devices are the single most common way data is lost or confidentiality compromised!

If you have semi-sensitive data that is safe to carry around on portable devices, but think your IT department is more trustworthy than Microsoft's, getting your company to set up an Exchange Server shouldn't be a big deal. This takes Microsoft out of the picture completely.

In all other scenarios (for 99% of us) Microsoft's cloud based synching solution is perfect. First you must configure Outlook (Desktop) to store it's data in the cloud. After doing so you can basically forget about manual synching as it is all done automatically for you in the background. My Outook (Desktop) installation and my WP devices are always perfectly synched, although I haven't done a single manual sync in years. As an added bonus, you also don't need to worry about backups, the lack of which is the most common cause of data loss in home environments.

Until I understood how this really works I too was skeptical. Are you possibly making the same mistake?

 

[12Danny123]

am i the only one who think MS trying to be the 3rd horse , player call it whatever is
the reason not getting anywhere i mean the should try to be the choice #1 whenever
a customer want to buy a phone i don't have doubts about WP is the best OS i ever used and im sure WP8 is gone be a badass however they should speed up the update cycle for phones and force the Dev who make Apps to update their app so it could run on the newest updates for a second check FB app it crush on tango (or at least that happen to me) whenever i try to like a comment

Well also wp is third in most major markets where it's sold especially Europe. Close for US though

 

[Big Supes]

Agree. Wp8 has all the future stuff. The cloud integration tightly. I can see why that wp will become a perfect alternative to other OS's. And the third OS

Pizazz has raised some valid points, but I decided not to chime in on a negative as we don't know for sure what WP8 will bring yet.

Putting it simply, Mango was a pretty substantial update, but one could argue that Nodo was so far behind that this level of update was needed. In regards to Wp7.5 to Wp8, I wouldn't want MS to go OTT and ruin the simplicity of the OS, yet (again) Pizazz, IMO, has a few valid points.

Notification centre, the ringtone/sound options (lack of), and outlook sync are all features I would be excited to hear about coming to Wp8.

 

[12Danny123]

Pizazz has raised some valid points, but I decided not to chime in on a negative as we don't know for sure what WP8 will bring yet.

Putting it simply, Mango was a pretty substantial update, but one could argue that Nodo was so far behind that this level of update was needed. In regards to Wp7.5 to Wp8, I wouldn't want MS to go OTT and ruin the simplicity of the OS, yet (again) Pizazz, IMO, has a few valid points.

Notification centre, the ringtone/sound options (lack of), and outlook sync are all features I would be excited to hear about coming to Wp8.

Yea. I agree. But saying wp8 is a joke. Is very idiotic and not cool. When he doesn't even know all the features yet. Very idiotic indeed. He really needs to keep his mouth shut until MS has all the features revealed.