Ex Google ******, Why should I choose windows 8 over iOS?

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Wow this thread is getting a bit too techy for the original question...

I'm on tmobile, last I checked they dont carry iphones (unless your not buying it through them), so the only option is android and WP8
I'd say give WP a try, especially since you already have Windows 8 on your computer, WP8 shouldnt be too difficult and would help keep your ecosystem aligned.
If you find that its missing to many essential things then by all mean go for Iphone, you'll never be at a shortage of apps and functions for a bussiness with them

Also take into consideration although you cant find a lot of legit apps, example pandora, we have some awesome third party apps that sometimes even better than the original, example MetroRadio :D

Hope you like WP8!
 

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In terms of 3rd party apps you may be right but as far as built in functionality there are alot of areas where iOS falls behind WP.

What areas? The people hub, you can download a nice twitter app and facebook app. So yes the "address book" on windowsphone does more than the "address book" on iOS. As for facetime, that is a built in app that works great. Skype isn't as integrated like Facetime is. Even the Skype app does more on iOS than wp.

To the OP, I would go with which phone makes you the happiest. If you choose WP, just be prepared for the cons. iOS I do find stale which is the biggest reason I have not switched back. I do find the interface aka (UI) is much cleaner and much better designed on WP.
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I would argue that Microsoft understands the enterprise workforce of the past, but, appear to be clueless about the enterprise of the future.

I suspect Google has a much better grasp of this.

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And their offer to enterprise is what: Google Docs and Google Calendar?

Both are laughably pathetic choices for an enterprise.

I won't argue that their services for consumers are good and popular.
 

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And their offer to enterprise is what: Google Docs and Google Calendar?

Both are laughably pathetic choices for an enterprise.

I won't argue that their services for consumers are good and popular.

The future of the enterprise is consumer technology.

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I like the awesome live tiles. Windows Phone has the best looking homescreen of any major OS, even though I will readily admit it is not always practical. I will just spend hours and hours rearranging and playing with these things. I also like the XBOX Live Gamer Score system that comes with the phone. Without Gamer Score, I would not have purchased even a quarter of the games that I have. (I will never pay money for a game in Android.) And I like how Facebook Chat is integrated into the Messaging app.
 

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What areas? The people hub, you can download a nice twitter app and facebook app. So yes the "address book" on windowsphone does more than the "address book" on iOS. As for facetime, that is a built in app that works great. Skype isn't as integrated like Facetime is. Even the Skype app does more on iOS than wp.

To the OP, I would go with which phone makes you the happiest. If you choose WP, just be prepared for the cons. iOS I do find stale which is the biggest reason I have not switched back. I do find the interface aka (UI) is much cleaner and much better designed on WP.
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I can't seem to get Facetime on my HTC Sensation XL, do you know how to get it? I downloaded Skype the other day from Google Play.
 

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There are plenty of iPads, iPhones, and Android devices where I work. However, I don't really consider an end user device to be "enterprise" just because someone brings it into the building. The "enterprise" level technology is what you would find in the companies datacenter. You'll see plenty of MS, Oracle, HP, IBM, Dell, EMC, Citrix, VMware, and Cisco stuff in there, but Google and Apple are not driving the enterprise.

More importantly, none of those Google/Apple devices really mesh with our environment. As a matter of fact we just spent $250K implementing a VDI environment to provide a portal into our systems for these devices for a certain group of users. VDI (Virtual Desktop Infrastructure) is a generic term for any technology that allows desktop computers to be hosted as virtual machines (VMware in our case) on servers in the datacenter (or cloud). Those virtual desktops can then be accessed through thin client workstations or iPads/Android tablets. The irony is that the virtual desktops are running Windows OS and apps because that is what is needed to interface with most enterprise environments. So, yes, I see plenty of bring-your-own iPads at work, but I also see that in our case it cost $250K initially, a Windows desktop OS license for each device, and a ton of IT time to make the device do something useful. The device is basically just a dumb terminal and iOS and it's apps serve no purpose other than making a connection to VDI. In contrast, a Windows 8 tablet could actually be owned by the company, added to the domain, and function just like any of our desktops.



While there may be a small percentage of companies using Google apps in place of MS Office that is not the norm and that does not prove the original comment that I was replying to...

"I would argue that Microsoft understands the enterprise workforce of the past, but, appear to be clueless about the enterprise of the future. I suspect Google has a much better grasp of this."

Google apps is a generic set of programs that only covers a small percentage of the workflow of most companies. Nearly all large companies have lots of industry specific software, data, reports, and other technology that ties together to form their "enterprise environment." Then there are all of the backend things that are the actual backbone of the enterprise environment. The kind of things that the "enterprise workforce" (i.e. end users) don't even know exists. Like database servers and file servers that store and secure all of the companies data. Or things like Active Directory that manage all of the user accounts/devices and glue everything together. Or the software that is used to update workstations in mass so that some IT guy doesn't have to go around and install the latest version of Adobe Acrobat on 1000 computers. MS is a leader in these kinds of things and while they have competition in various areas of the enterprise world, it's not coming from Google or Apple.

Datacenters? You would have a hard time finding one which used MS for anything important - most DCs run on custom Linux. I don't understand why you want to implement VDI. Just give everyone laptops (no whiny "I want to use my iPad for work!!" users then) and BYOD/issue phones. That's it. And as to your last paragraph,

And "small percentage"? You call the US Gov. SA small? Good for you. And realise that at most companies, almost everything happens in the browser anyway. Apart from specialised fields like CAD and similar, I'd wager that the average worker spends a good 80% of their time in a browser. And "databases, file servers" and the like should preferably run a more stable platform than that from MS...
 

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I was a pro partner in the adsense program, they decided I was causing invalid activity and would not even work with me after three years of being a well respected partner.

Offtopic: Nothing personal, but I work in a digital marketing agency (so basically Adwords) and 99.9% of the time Google bans an AdSense partner, there is a terms of service violation involved, typically "please click on the ads" or sometimes this can happen without the knowledge of the account owner. That means that all the advertisers who have paid for clicks/impressions on your publisher pages have been defrauded. Google is under no obligation at all to "work with you".
 

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The future of the enterprise is consumer technology.

Unless you consider your local mom & pop shop (nothing against them) enterprise customers, I think not.

Have you ever worked in an international organisation with a few thousand employees? Enterprise and consumer requirements simply don't mesh. IE10 is a perfect example, where MS is required to follow certain guidelines, in the interests of their corporate clients, that actually make IE10 less popular in the consumer space. I tend to think this is actually one of Microsoft's biggest problems... they are trying to be all things to all people which just doesn't work. Being purely consumer oriented, Apple has a much simpler road to travel.
 

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Unless you consider your local mom & pop shop (nothing against them) enterprise customers, I think not.

Have you ever worked in an international organisation with a few thousand employees? Enterprise and consumer requirements simply don't mesh. IE10 is a perfect example, where MS is required to follow certain guidelines, in the interests of their corporate clients, that actually make IE10 less popular in the consumer space. I tend to think this is actually one of Microsoft's biggest problems... they are trying to be all things to all people which just doesn't work. Being purely consumer oriented, Apple has a much simpler road to travel.

This is true to some extent as well. But this is slowly diminishing, as people learn to create things that work on many platforms - the bad old days of having to use IE6 & WinXP because the intranet tools work only on those platforms are almost, and will soon completely be, behind us. We're already starting to see that fragmentation in MS, with their WP8 EAS mechanisms being incompatible with EAS servers. Clearly a communication gap.

I remember hearing stories from a friend who worked on the MS Encarta project that internally, Microsoft divisions essentially compete against each other. Wonder if that still holds true.
 

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This is true to some extent as well. But this is slowly diminishing, as people learn to create things that work on many platforms - the bad old days of having to use IE6 & WinXP because the intranet tools work only on those platforms are almost, and will soon completely be, behind us.

Nope. I wasn't referring to IE6. Just recently MS thought about supporting more of the unofficial HTML5 spec for IE10, but their corporate customers just had to glance at their pitchforks and torches and MS backed off from that idea. Corporate clients want a stable and standards compliant runtime environment in which to execute their intranet applications, whereas consumers prefer to see high numbers on internet based HTML5 conformance tests... consumers don't care what those tests ultimately are and how much of it ends up in the official standard... most are happy knowing that bigger numbers = better, which gives many browsers an advantage over IE. Nobody can reconcile those two opposite positions.

There are a lot of similar things going on under the radar, but if you don't work at or close to CTO levels in large corporations, you just won't know about it.
 

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Datacenters? You would have a hard time finding one which used MS for anything important - most DCs run on custom Linux.
Aaaaa I hate to inform you but that's not quite true. I used to be a system administrator, working in very large DC's, and it's about 50/50 Unix and Windows. There's quite a lot of stuff running on Windows Servers oddly enough.
 

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What areas? The people hub, you can download a nice twitter app and facebook app. So yes the "address book" on windowsphone does more than the "address book" on iOS. As for facetime, that is a built in app that works great. Skype isn't as integrated like Facetime is. Even the Skype app does more on iOS than wp.

To the OP, I would go with which phone makes you the happiest. If you choose WP, just be prepared for the cons. iOS I do find stale which is the biggest reason I have not switched back. I do find the interface aka (UI) is much cleaner and much better designed on WP.
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Plenty, here's 10

1) can't set a preference for mobile or desktop in safari mobile.
2) can't seamlessly stream songs from iTunes through the default player.
3) Linked with 2, can't stream songs at all from iTunes /have to buy each sing separately.
4) Apple maps isn't as good as Nokia maps
5)Can't resize icons to see information according to size. For example in WP if I resize the messaging tile to double wide I can see a preview of the text.
6) No such way to have contacts on the home screen and see their updates.
7)No dynamic lock screen wallpaper.
8)Can't check movie Showtimes or theatre locations without an app.
9) Can't check nearby restaurants etc without an app.
10) no music ID without an app.
there's possibly more but those are my favorites.
 

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HOW? I cannot see something in the future that clearly someone else can see. I want to know this secret too.


I'm assuming you haven't been paying attention to this thing called Consumerization? If you don't see the millions of iPad's, iPhones and Macbooks invading enterprises all over the world, then you have your head in the sand..

Let's not forget about consumer APPS that are being used daily be employee's (Evernote, etc)..

The days where users go to IT to get word installed on their computers is soon to be behind us.. The sooner that Microsoft figures that out, the better.
 

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I'm assuming you haven't been paying attention to this thing called Consumerization? If you don't see the millions of iPad's, iPhones and Macbooks invading enterprises all over the world, then you have your head in the sand..

Let's not forget about consumer APPS that are being used daily be employee's (Evernote, etc)..

The days where users go to IT to get word installed on their computers is soon to be behind us.. The sooner that Microsoft figures that out, the better.

Evernote is available for Windows Phone. Evernote | Windows Phone Apps+Games Store (United States) I wouldn't count Evernote as a "consumer" app anyway. It's a productivity app, not a "fun" app.
 

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Nope. I wasn't referring to IE6. Just recently MS thought about supporting more of the unofficial HTML5 spec for IE10, but their corporate customers just had to glance at their pitchforks and torches and MS backed off from that idea. Corporate clients want a stable and standards compliant runtime environment in which to execute their intranet applications, whereas consumers prefer to see high numbers on internet based HTML5 conformance tests... consumers don't care what those tests ultimately are and how much of it ends up in the official standard... most are happy knowing that bigger numbers = better, which gives many browsers an advantage over IE. Nobody can reconcile those two opposite positions.

There are a lot of similar things going on under the radar, but if you don't work at or close to CTO levels in large corporations, you just won't know about it.

The question of IE10 standards compliance is moot, as I am yet to hear of any large company upgrading en masse to IE10. Where I work, the corporate engineering guys target IE, Chrome and Firefox usability before pushing to production and I am given to understand this is becoming more and more common; at that point, the browser ceases to matter.
 

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I'm assuming you haven't been paying attention to this thing called Consumerization? If you don't see the millions of iPad's, iPhones and Macbooks invading enterprises all over the world, then you have your head in the sand..

Let's not forget about consumer APPS that are being used daily be employee's (Evernote, etc)..

The days where users go to IT to get word installed on their computers is soon to be behind us.. The sooner that Microsoft figures that out, the better.

I know of bring your device phenomenon at workplace which out beats consumerization. That is exactly where Microsoft is better prepared than their competition. You can access your work you did at home on your Surface or what you edited on your personal phone, as soon as you log in to your work PC. That is what is already the demand at workplaces. Thus, right now dropbox use at work place is immense. This dropbox will be replaced when there is a safer, enterprise friendly ecosystem.
 

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I know of bring your device phenomenon at workplace which out beats consumerization. That is exactly where Microsoft is better prepared than their competition. You can access your work you did at home on your Surface or what you edited on your personal phone, as soon as you log in to your work PC. That is what is already the demand at workplaces. Thus, right now dropbox use at work place is immense. This dropbox will be replaced when there is a safer, enterprise friendly ecosystem.

BYOD is a symptom of the larger pain which is consumerization. It's way more than BYOD... It's really BYoIT..

Users will use what they want to make themselves more productive. This is what consumerization is all about. This isn't just about devices. It's much bigger than that..


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