I think Nokia and Microsoft have blown it

dainla

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Anyone who thinks Microsoft just blew it lives in a bubble. 50% of the American population doesn't even have smart phones yet. Those that do are going to be very difficult to switch, especially iPhone users.

Relax. A couple of months means nothing.

Not to mention announcing new features now would just have the phones drowned in the wave of iPhone love from all media coming in a couple of weeks. Smart to hold off until after.
 

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It depends on when Windows Phone 8 phones are actually released.

I think that no matter what was announced here, it would be no match for the iPhone's hype. That's just reality. They could have announced a phone that transforms into a robot that will then wash your car, but once the iPhone press conference comes, Apple would have all the hype.

I think a lot of general Windows Phone 8 stuff is being saved for the Build Conference.
 

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Well that's my point exactly. People who come here know that WP8 should launch around October 29th and they know that AT&T, T-Mobile and Verizon are on board. But the average consumer doesn't know that. The average consumer wants a date, a price, a carrier availability. All they know after today is that Nokia is working on a new phone, that's not enough.

No, the "average" consumer walks into a store when their contract is up and looks around. They don't want a date and they mostly stay on their carrier. They will buy the phone if Joe Verizon at the store tells them it's a great phone when it is available.

The people who read about phones and wait to hear the features, then decide which to buy are an enormous minority.

The vast majority of people wait until their contract is up and then go look at new phones in a store.

Microsoft and Nokia have lost nothing today. Absolutely nothing.
 

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The enthusiasts who read tech blogs already had their minds made up about wp8, good or bad. it is frustrating that the launch is so far behind the announcement, but the average person doesn't know anything about that. Today's announcement will not include a produced package on my 6:00 news, the way the iPhone invariably will...when these things hit store shelves, then ms and Nokia had better be ready to push it. I just hope the launch doesn't arrive a full month after iPhone 5...

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Anyone who thinks Microsoft just blew it lives in a bubble. 50% of the American population doesn't even have smart phones yet. Those that do are going to be very difficult to switch, especially iPhone users.

Relax. A couple of months means nothing.

Not to mention announcing new features now would just have the phones drowned in the wave of iPhone love from all media coming in a couple of weeks. Smart to hold off until after.
An easy way to avoid being drowned in iPhone love is to get your phone out first. By the time the 920, etc get to the market, millions of iPhones, Galaxies and others will have locked up a couple years worth of customers. The lack of urgency by both Microsoft and Nokia is breathtaking. Please no excuses that it takes time, Microsoft is the worlds largest software company, they could move this much quicker if they wanted to. The 920 is an outstanding phone and easily competes with the others on the market! I am in no rush, but a whole lotta potential customers will be gone and holiday money spent by the time these two get their act together.
 

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Microsoft and Nokia....as much as we all care about them and want to support them, have failed at this event today the moment Belfiore said they weren't going to do a full reveal today. You look around and what are people's main gripes with the Windows Phone platform? The software, not the hardware (and even if you want to make the case that it is the hardware, then that's only because the hardware is an extension of the software limitations).

The anticipation for this event wasn't so much to see what exactly the next hardware from Nokia would be, but to see what the software would look like running on the next hardware from Nokia. Two very different things. People love the Lumia 900 and it's design and so many people have no problem with it. The main thing against the Lumia 900 is that it will not be running WP8, which is why people want to see the next hardware. Therefore the emphasis, and I can't believe that they've overlooked this, is not placed on the hardware, but on the software which forms your experience.

Pureview and all of that is great, but the fundamental aspect of nailing this event wasn't to show what next step for Nokia is, so much as it was for the next step for Microsoft and WP and if they would've had to make this a MS event, then so be it. Those who believe in the platform, want to see the platform itself, not just what will be running it. That's why Android tablets have struggled to be compelling, in a large sense. It's not about what's running the software so much as the software itself and how it gels into the casing around it. It's the reverse Palm effect (they had great software, but lacked the hardware innovation to support it).

We are the enthusiasts for this specific platform and we're debating how successful the event was. The enthusiasts who don't have a specific affinity for this platform will probably be leaning more to the direction that this event didn't blow them away. And for a platform to become majorly successful in this industry, you have to hit home with the enthusiasts first, before you think about reaching out to the broad audience. That's why Android in general is successful, let alone some specific devices like the GS3. The iPhone is a pop culture icon at this point. All eyes will be on them, and the fact that they announce their devices literally within one to two weeks of releasing them (generally speaking) doesn't help. Microsoft has to work out of this 3-4 percent marketshare that they're in at some point and to get the ball rolling in the quickest fashion, you'll have to start with the enthusiasts - the people who love this industry who are going to tout and promote these devices to those who are less knowledgeable. That's what this event should've been for Microsoft because they had the hype surrounding it that it was going to be just that.

This isn't about Nokia struggling on a thriving platform. It's about Windows Phone struggling, so what do you do to combat that? Show Windows Phone. When the platform has the mindshare in hand (which they can do by showing the hardware supporting it, but they still need to keep the software as the focal point), then the hardware, if compelling enough (which I think everyone agrees that Nokia's is), will follow suit.

We know what we have with WP7 and for WP8 to be as big of a change as we're told (so much so that they had to build it off of a whole new core technology and throw out all the existing progress they've made in terms of the consumer base they've currently generated), we haven't quite seen it yet. Or at least I haven't. Everything that we have seen from WP8 thus far looks like it could and should be in WP 7.8 and unfortunately, this was a step backward for MS, most importantly, and Nokia, by extension.
 

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Well that's my point exactly. People who come here know that WP8 should launch around October 29th and they know that AT&T, T-Mobile and Verizon are on board. But the average consumer doesn't know that. The average consumer wants a date, a price, a carrier availability. All they know after today is that Nokia is working on a new phone, that's not enough.

An easy way to avoid being drowned in iPhone love is to get your phone out first. By the time the 920, etc get to the market, millions of iPhones, Galaxies and others will have locked up a couple years worth of customers. The lack of urgency by both Microsoft and Nokia is breathtaking. Please no excuses that it takes time, Microsoft is the worlds largest software company, they could move this much quicker if they wanted to. The 920 is an outstanding phone and easily competes with the others on the market! I am in no rush, but a whole lotta potential customers will be gone and holiday money spent by the time these two get their act together.

There is nothing worse than rushing a phone to market before it's ready. That's how you kill your OS.

The hysterical reaction to today's announcement is absurd.
 

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They should have not had this event. They should have an event when you can preorder the products.

Did Nokia and Microsoft not pay attention to how the blogosphere reacted to the Surface announcement? ****, even last year the Lumia 800 was shipping when it was announced.

I'm also disappointed in no matte cyan for their flagship phone. A lot of comments on that and it was a huge color for them. The 820 is also lacking when it comes to an HD display (every other phone even midrange is HD now). Also they burned the 3.7" croud. Yes there are those that prefer smaller size. To me that is the whole point of a MOBILE phone. I'll have a tablet for elsewhere.
 

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Wow some drama going on here. :D

Well what could they have done? I'm really impressed by the hardware, but it seems like Microsoft simply can't get the OS ready before iPhone release.

We all kind of knew this, didn't we?

So i'm not really getting this crying here.
 

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Wow some drama going on here. :D

Well what could they have done? I'm really impressed by the hardware, but it seems like Microsoft simply can't get the OS ready before iPhone release.

We all kind of knew this, didn't we?

So i'm not really getting this crying here.

I wouldn't say that we all knew this. I would say that we were all hoping that this wouldn't happen, that MS would react faster than they are. To have hopes dashed is disturbing. Both MS and Nokia need to remember how far behind they already are and get this juggernaut rolling NOW.
 

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Personally, I was 100% enthralled and engaged during Nokia's presentation. I was ready to buy a 920 immediately Then Belfiore took the stage and said that he would not be showing all of WP8 today. Fizzle. That was a complete wet blanket experience. Shame on MS for turning a positive event for Nokia into a let down.
 

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I want that camera. I want Nokia to put up some (unedited) example pictures on skydrive, flickr, facebook, etc. to show what their new camera can do. I really want that camera but it's hard for me to believe that those night pictures are real.
 

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Wow some drama going on here. :D

Well what could they have done? I'm really impressed by the hardware, but it seems like Microsoft simply can't get the OS ready before iPhone release.

We all kind of knew this, didn't we?

So i'm not really getting this crying here.

I just think they need to focus on the platform. Here, they were focusing on the hardware surrounding the platform, and that's fine, if everyone is already anticipating WP8. The people who already love WP were looking at this event to see what we're getting. The people who aren't convinced of windows phone yet were looking at this event as "Make me care about Windows Phone." Today, I don't know how many more (who weren't already convinced of WP) will say that WP is that much more compelling to them. You can do that to a certain degree with a hardware event, but you have to keep the software as the main idea. People might be able to say the hardware looks nice, but I don't think they hit the platform home hard enough to convince people that this is the next evolution as it should be.

And even still, MS knows they won't have WP8 out this month. Nokia knew they weren't gonna give pricing or release specifics today. So was it necessary to have the event this month? Make the wait shorter, make October the month of Microsoft, and do your reveal of hardware and software at the same time. That would've made a much bigger impact than what was done today.
 

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Man what a jaded crowd! They just demo a phone you can bludgeon someone with, near perfectly videoing the results including flight from the scene and while that uploads on the fly, City Lens yourself a hideaway with 4 star dining reserving a table in the back.

But it doesn't molest the pictures into a form most folks delete without viewing... sniffle... OMG guys, this is exactly why I dumped my iPhone 4 and purchased outright a Nokia 800.

I can go to the job site with a 920, ride the cage down 1600M and take a picture of a broken part for the mechanics or video a site for the engineers to actually see clearly and in detail then post directly to the company's Skydrive account for immediate action. They make this a breeze for IT to backup across devices (phone, tablet and PC) and it's a winner for Corp adoptions. The tests on the 920's camera under low light appear the equal of Canon's but at a lower rez and that's an amazing thing in and of itself.
 

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So the Motorola offerings really aren't anything special. Just higher res screens, with bigger batteries.

I think that should help Nokia come out as the winner for today.
 

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The event was underwhelming, but what they released was quite awesome. I wish there could have been more on WP8, but the features and specs for the new Nokia phones are top notch.
 

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I'm due for an upgrade and would have been happy to pre-order the Nokia 920 today. I was disappointed to see there was no such option.



I have to agree with the OP, Apple will likely cover all the bases with their announcement and also offer pre-orders.
Apple has their own hardware, software, and ecosystem-of course their presser will be all encompassing. Nokia is a hardware vendor with some proprietary apps.

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In terms of design the Lumia 820 is a downgrade from the Lumia 800. Plus I still think anything bigger than 4 inches is too big for a phone, I know many will disagree, but it would have been smart for Nokia to offer a smaller screen size as well. Are these really the only phones Nokia will release this fall?
 

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