I think Nokia and Microsoft have blown it

[cckgz4]

Just thought I'd share this...

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But Nokia cheated by actually using camera technology that's been around for years. I saw that flash!

 

[anonymous3498571]

But Nokia cheated by actually using camera technology that's been around for years. I saw that flash!

Was that sarcasm? Hard to tell.

Flash wasn't used during picture. It was used as a metering device.

 

[larrynj]

Flash wasn't used during picture. It was used as a metering device.

So the flash goes off before the picture is actually taken? I didn't realize that.

 

[squire777]

Some posters here were saying how Amazon got it right yesterday in terms of how a company should do a presentation but as a I look at tech sites today the buzz still seems to be around Nokia's products. There are stories about the new Kindle but nothing that is too hyped up.

Also, hardly anyone is talking about the Google/Motorola launch and the new Razr phones. They've been forgotten already.

 

[GoodThings2Life]

Some posters here were saying how Amazon got it right yesterday in terms of how a company should do a presentation but as a I look at tech sites today the buzz still seems to be around Nokia's products. There are stories about the new Kindle but nothing that is too hyped up.

Also, hardly anyone is talking about the Google/Motorola launch and the new Razr phones. They've been forgotten already.

Exactly. For such a "boring" event, Nokia sure does have people talking!

I'm sorry... Razr what?! Oh, that reminds me... I forgot to shave this morning!

Amazon, will still have people talking, and I did notice that they had TV ads running immediately following their event and through the night. So that's a trick Nokia and Microsoft should follow.

Honestly, I'd prefer they take a more Amazon approach. When I go to Amazon and see a friendly, upbeat letter from Bezos, it really does bring a smile to my face. I feel like he's reaching out to us... to me. This is the same impression I had of Nokia and Microsoft at their event. I felt valuable to them... not just a dollar sign.

On a side note, I view Microsoft (the company structure) as being a lot like ME personally. We can provide a solution to ANY and EVERY technical problem, but sometimes we don't really connect with "non-techy" people. But unlike me, they are trying to figure it out. :lol:

 

[Reflexx]

Some posters here were saying how Amazon got it right yesterday in terms of how a company should do a presentation but as a I look at tech sites today the buzz still seems to be around Nokia's products. There are stories about the new Kindle but nothing that is too hyped up.

Also, hardly anyone is talking about the Google/Motorola launch and the new Razr phones. They've been forgotten already.

lol. I did notice that about Google/Motorola. I think people were forgetting about them DURING their announcement.

 

[cckgz4]

Was that sarcasm? Hard to tell.

Flash wasn't used during picture. It was used as a metering device.

it was. Can't find the smiley option on my phone lol

 

[radic100]

Does anyone have a gripe with the wireless charging? Its a step backward to me - you can't hold the phone/use it unless you're holding the charger against it (inconvenient), and theres still a wire attched to the charging dock. Why haven't they thought of cutting the middleman out and attach the wire to the phone instead? for a company that likes to make things more simple this was a pretty big mistake (having more apparatus).

I think it's because of the word 'wireless'. People automatically think 'my life is easier'. True?

 

[blehblehbleh]

You can always by yourself a charging usb cable ya know. No one's forcing you to use the wireless charging dock.

And yeah wireless charging does make things more convenient depending on the circumstance. You can easily pick your phone up and go, or in other applications say power your TV without having to worry about running the power cord along the wall.

 

[radic100]

You can always by yourself a charging usb cable ya know. No one's forcing you to use the wireless charging dock.

And yeah wireless charging does make things more convenient depending on the circumstance. You can easily pick your phone up and go, or in other applications say power your TV without having to worry about running the power cord along the wall.

yeah, but i am forced to pay for the accessory if it does come in the box. And if i have to buy a separate usb cable as you mentioned, oh man.

And they could have used the time spent in R&D or the money used to manufacture that accessory, for more essential things. How hard is it to yank the cable out of your phone and go? And you're still using up a wall socket to connect the dock to power with a wire...

Don't you think it's a miss?

 

[smoledman]

yeah, but i am forced to pay for the accessory if it does come in the box. And if i have to buy a separate usb cable as you mentioned, oh man.

And they could have used the time spent in R&D or the money used to manufacture that accessory, for more essential things. How hard is it to yank the cable out of your phone and go? And you're still using up a wall socket to connect the dock to power with a wire...

Don't you think it's a miss?

How is that any different then now?

 

[radic100]

How is that any different then now?

what do you mean? Yeah i've always been averse to the touchstone thing, but it never bothered me because i've never been forced to get it, but it now seems Nokia is really pushing it to be a solid part of their phone. And it looks relatively expensive (that part).

I'm saying there's little benefit, if any, of using this wireless charging as opposed to normal plug-in charging. Imo, as i said before, its actually more inconvenient (more accessories= more chance of losing it/damaging it, therefore more money involved)

 

[GoodThings2Life]

yeah, but i am forced to pay for the accessory if it does come in the box. And if i have to buy a separate usb cable as you mentioned, oh man.

And they could have used the time spent in R&D or the money used to manufacture that accessory, for more essential things. How hard is it to yank the cable out of your phone and go? And you're still using up a wall socket to connect the dock to power with a wire...

Don't you think it's a miss?

Your posts about this are so ridiculous that I have to assume you're joking. Otherwise, well, I'm glad you're not within arms reach...

It comes with the USB cable!

They didn't waste R&D on it... Fat Boy makes the accessories. All they did was include the inductive charger in the device... as an option, meaning, NOT mandatory.

But it's your last point that really surprised me...

OMG! WHAT EVER SHALL YOU DO?! THE HORROR!! THE HORROR!!! You're using up a wall socket for the accessory that would have also been used up by a power adapter connected to the USB cable! OR, and brace yourself, because this is a DOOZY, but you could just plug the other end of the USB cable (for the accessory OR the phone) into a USB port on a ****GASP**** computer!!!!

 

[blehblehbleh]

yeah, but i am forced to pay for the accessory if it does come in the box. And if i have to buy a separate usb cable as you mentioned, oh man.

And they could have used the time spent in R&D or the money used to manufacture that accessory, for more essential things. How hard is it to yank the cable out of your phone and go? And you're still using up a wall socket to connect the dock to power with a wire...

Don't you think it's a miss?

I guess. It's not like they cost that much as it is. Besides, I'm assuming you have a usb charging cable already with the phone you use right? So, just make sure the volts are compatible and you're good to go. You just saved yourself all the effort you're worried about.

As for the time and money, I can't really say. It could've been really easy or cheap anyways to put that all together. I agree yanking out a cable isn't hard but there's always at least one person that wants things even easier, and Nokia wanting to provide that to differentiate is a good thing. I mean it's the same concept that Apple ran with for OS X--"It just works."

As a whole I'm glad Nokia is trying to push wireless charging. I'm sure you'd appreciate it more if you actually used it or if it were already prevalent in brick and mortar locations.

In regards to the dock being plugged in, that's just a nature of the tech. There has to be some kind of current so that the electromagnetic field can be generated. But that's a small trade off for the alleged convenience gained in not having to take an extra step or two in powering your device.

 

[brmiller1976]

Just thought I'd share this...

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It's impressive, until you realize that one is a highly-successful 12-month-old product about to be replaced, while the other is an incomplete prototype without any pricing, ship date, carrier availability or released OS.

Any tech company can show off cool prototypes that look good in highly controlled environments.

The only thing that matters is shipping.

Samsung is shipping. Motorola is shipping. HTC is shipping. Apple is certainly shipping. Even Sharp and Kyocera are shipping.

Nokia is showing us cool prototypes with features that don't yet work (like OIC) and promising that it will be available, working, "real soon now," for "some predetermined price we're not ready to announce yet."

Not good enough.

 

[AngryNil]

It's impressive, until you realize that one is a highly-successful 12-month-old product about to be replaced, while the other is an incomplete prototype without any pricing, ship date, carrier availability or released OS.

How exciting, the incomplete prototype blows the socks off the current market leader.

Samsung is shipping.

The Ativs aren't shipping. The GS3 is, and does no better than the iPhone in the above scenario.

its actually more inconvenient (more accessories= more chance of losing it/damaging it, therefore more money involved)

A standard microUSB cable is... one thing! And a wireless charging dock is... one thing!

 

[Mahesha999]

First of all I'll get this out of the way: The Lumia 920 is a great piece of hardware and I think the PureView technology will blow many people away... if they get to see it.
But we're now in September, just one week before the iPhone 5 reveal. What was there today to keep people interested beyond WPCentral readers who are already sold on Windows Phone?
There was no full OS reveal, no date, no price, no carrier availability, just the promise of great hardware....

I think that Microsoft and Nokia have an idea of this and they will still make things ship sooner. I think they have capabilities. And take a point that iPhone will not be innovative this time. No significant innovation will be there in iPhone this time. Just bigger size, more resolution and may be new OS version. So I feel even though it may ship soon, it wont have anything distinctive and Lumia 920 will surely keep away from that. And if Nokia announce any partnership with carriers to sell it ultra low cost, people will surely go for Lumia.

Two things important. Such announcement if made on iPhone launch day can still change the equation.

And if iPhone have no innovative things, it may be a final version. I feel people already bored with its OS and design. And negative things like no NFC can only hamper them.

 

[jimski]

Does anyone have a gripe with the wireless charging? Its a step backward to me - you can't hold the phone/use it unless you're holding the charger against it (inconvenient), and theres still a wire attched to the charging dock. Why haven't they thought of cutting the middleman out and attach the wire to the phone instead? for a company that likes to make things more simple this was a pretty big mistake (having more apparatus).

I think it's because of the word 'wireless'. People automatically think 'my life is easier'. True?

I think people said the same thing about automatic transmissions. And we all know how that turned out.

Sent from my Lumia 900 using Board Express Pro

 

[mmacleodbrown]

Yeah, Im not sure about wireless charging either - Im not against it, think it is cool, but will only use it if it comes in the box. I have lots of charging leads that will work and i can't see the point in going out and splashing cash on a device to do what I have already and slower?
Nokia can push it by supplying it in box, or i think it will remain a niche product

 

[Big Supes]

It's impressive, until you realize that one is a highly-successful 12-month-old product about to be replaced, while the other is an incomplete prototype without any pricing, ship date, carrier availability or released OS.

Any tech company can show off cool prototypes that look good in highly controlled environments.

The only thing that matters is shipping.

Samsung is shipping. Motorola is shipping. HTC is shipping. Apple is certainly shipping. Even Sharp and Kyocera are shipping.

Nokia is showing us cool prototypes with features that don't yet work (like OIC) and promising that it will be available, working, "real soon now," for "some predetermined price we're not ready to announce yet."

Not good enough.

No Wp8 devices are shipping. Nokia Pureview is shipping though.