I think Nokia and Microsoft have blown it

[Jazmac]

I don't believe Microsoft has blown anything but my mind.

 

[cckgz4]

I was underwhelmed by hardware when the leaks happened. Looks like the current lumia. But the specs and apps were what I was waiting on and that didn't let me down

 

[lippidp]

I'm surprised they showed only two phones. If they had shown five phones all with different personality I think all else would have been forgiven.

 

[mafu6]

I think people on this forum where expecting more?

Why I have no idea.. most of the hardware stuff had leaked already and because people knew this before the event they feel let down.

I think the L920 has some very good hardware.

Anyone have any idea on if the wireless charging station comes bundled with the L920.

Slightly dissapointed with no cyan colour for the L920 but the other colours look cool.

 

[snowmutt]

I am not as confident today as I was yesterday before the announcement.

There is no way to dodge the fact that Nokia's fortunes are tied to WP's. Without a successful, profitable Nokia there are no Hero WP's, there are no unique devices, there are no companies fighting to make WP devices sing. I am impressed with what Nokia offered in the 920 and 820. But I am not the person they need to sell to. WP needs to see worldwide acceptance this coming year. It is a long, hard road to get over that sales hump, and WP needs to get there this year.

If Nokia stumbles, there may be a change in direction. Junk stock and sales less than 1/4 of what you used to be will be unacceptable, no matter how good the product is (it is great) and no matter how much improved your company is (they are- Elop has streamlined this company in a fraction of the time other, weaker leaders would have never been able to do).

We can only hope that when MS finally has the WP 8 kick-off event in which they give all the new functions that the buzz improves. I expect this will happen soon after Apple's announcement as counter-programming. The ATIV provided good buzz. The camera tech on these Nokia's did as well. I hope HTC gives some good love to announcing WP devices.

I still believe in Nokia and WP 8. Just more worried we may not see them see this through.

 

[ilifecomputer]

i totes agree with the OP. made me realize how bad i want a MS made phone.

 

[Xaphoon148]

Best screen ever, best responsive touch screen ever (with gloves...), best camera ever seen on a phone (h*** it's better than my Canon...) literally light-years ahead of competitors, ....
Yeah, it's really crappy...

C'mon folks, if iThing had come out with this people would go bananas...

...and a slightly better camera than the L900...
Wish some "experts" in some newspapers really knew what they are writing about, or else be denied the right to use a keyboard

 

[Tahiti Bob]

Best screen ever, best responsive touch screen ever (with gloves...), best camera ever seen on a phone (h*** it's better than my Canon...) literally light-years ahead of competitors, ....
Yeah, it's really crappy...

C'mon folks, if iThing had come out with this people would go bananas...

...and a slightly better camera than the L900...
Wish some "experts" in some newspapers really knew what they are writing about, or else be denied the right to use a keyboard

You're missing the point totally but then again you're calling the competition iThing so I'm not surprised...

 

[Xaphoon148]

You're missing the point totally but then again you're calling the competition iThing so I'm not surprised...

maybe so, but I've had an iThing so I can compare...
And I think wp8 will grow simply because it's a better Os
Heard it trough the grapevine...

 

[Tahiti Bob]

Yeah WebOS was a great OS too, being great isn't all there is to it.

 

[mafu6]

Having great hardware and software doesnt mean success...

What does make something succesful is, how it sells...

I despise Apple with a passion and refuse to use any of their products even iTunes. But you have to give it to them, they have made everything the sell desirable which makes people want it. Remember the Iphone 3G had a crappy camera but still managed to sell loads because it was cool!

I love arguments in the forums peoples opinions are very different and everyone is entitled to one.

Not one person, on these forums or any other, even a tech blogger or journalist can predcit the future and only time will tell if something has been successful.

I do agree on one thing mentioned though... closing the time between showing a device and releasing a device should be narrowed! Only my opinion though.

 

[ncxcstud]

Would anyone be surprised if after Apple's September 12 keynote, that Nokia/Microsoft/Samsung sent out a joint press release basically saying -

"Apple, you're a little late. See you the week/day before you arrive at XX dollars cheaper. - Signed Windows Phone 8."

After the cheeky stuff (been watching a lot of Dr. Who as I recover from oral surgery) that Nokia pulled with the Samsung Keynote, I wouldn't be surprised. I'm not EXPECTING it, but I wouldn't be surprised at all.

 

[jrdatrackstar1223]

After all the trash talk, I'm unmoved by Nokia's efforts as well. The hardware is nice, but it created no buzz. I'm worried as well about the future of Windows Phone because it just seems like they just DON'T get it....

First of, the presentation was presented horribly, and they really need to hire people who can do a better job announcing products that your company are riding on. Second of all, there is just this vibe that I pick up from Nokia that they think they're doing an amazing job when sales numbers don't indicate that, and they seem overly cocky. To us Windows Phone fans they're doing an amazing job (which hardware-wise they are), but I just don't see the change that is needed to get carriers, bloggers, etc. buzzing about selling these new devices (especially when they look exactly like the current Lumias). I don't think the lesson has TRULY been learned that NO ONE knows about Windows Phone and don't care about it because current customers have no reason to leave what already works for them, and new users will be brought to iOS or Android through word of mouth....

It seems like they're just relying on the Windows 8 launch to do the marketing for them, and are expecting people to say "hey, that phone looks like my tablet", when in fact people don't CARE. I can't count the number of ppl I talk to that simply state they have no reason to waste resources learning a new OS (no matter how pretty it looks) that potentially doesn't do what their current phone does (not to mention the overall majority of average users saying they don't like the new UI and Windows 8 in general anyway)....

WE will buy Windows Phone, and they will eventually get the apps, but I see another 2010-2012 happening all over again where ppl don't care about Windows Phone, Windows 8, etc. Luckily, we will have Native Code support, which will bring apps and HOPEFULLY more customers. But think about it: what are the first things ppl ask and think about if they're presented with a Windows Phone? First, they'll notice the UI (which I would say have MOST ppl convinced to keep exploring). Second, they'll ask what apps are available (again, SHOULD be taken care of thanks to Native Code support). Then they'll ask "can it do this...because my (insert iDevice or Android device here) can do this....?". But in order for those type of conversations to even get start, there HAS to be something that brings them to even explore the device, and right now there is NOTHING that does that, and the overall vibe from Microsoft and Nokia just really indicates that it will stay that way....

 

[oblivman]

After all the trash talk, I'm unmoved by Nokia's efforts as well. The hardware is nice, but it created no buzz. I'm worried as well about the future of Windows Phone because it just seems like they just DON'T get it....

First of, the presentation was presented horribly, and they really need to hire people who can do a better job announcing products that your company are riding on. Second of all, there is just this vibe that I pick up from Nokia that they think they're doing an amazing job when sales numbers don't indicate that, and they seem overly cocky. To us Windows Phone fans they're doing an amazing job (which hardware-wise they are), but I just don't see the change that is needed to get carriers, bloggers, etc. buzzing about selling these new devices (especially when they look exactly like the current Lumias). I don't think the lesson has TRULY been learned that NO ONE knows about Windows Phone and don't care about it because current customers have no reason to leave what already works for them, and new users will be brought to iOS or Android through word of mouth....

It seems like they're just relying on the Windows 8 launch to do the marketing for them, and are expecting people to say "hey, that phone looks like my tablet", when in fact people don't CARE. I can't count the number of ppl I talk to that simply state they have no reason to waste resources learning a new OS (no matter how pretty it looks) that potentially doesn't do what their current phone does (not to mention the overall majority of average users saying they don't like the new UI and Windows 8 in general anyway)....

WE will buy Windows Phone, and they will eventually get the apps, but I see another 2010-2012 happening all over again where ppl don't care about Windows Phone, Windows 8, etc. Luckily, we will have Native Code support, which will bring apps and HOPEFULLY more customers. But think about it: what are the first things ppl ask and think about if they're presented with a Windows Phone? First, they'll notice the UI (which I would say have MOST ppl convinced to keep exploring). Second, they'll ask what apps are available (again, SHOULD be taken care of thanks to Native Code support). Then they'll ask "can it do this...because my (insert iDevice or Android device here) can do this....?". But in order for those type of conversations to even get start, there HAS to be something that brings them to even explore the device, and right now there is NOTHING that does that, and the overall vibe from Microsoft and Nokia just really indicates that it will stay that way....

It created no buzz? You and I do not live on the same planet.

 

[b1llballbaggins]

I don't think they've blown it, not everyone wants an iPhone. They've dealt with the shortcomings of the previous Lumia handsets as I'm sure from what I've seen, MS have dealt with the shortcomings of WP8.

 

[steve_w_7]

It created no buzz? You and I do not live on the same planet.

No buzz.

 

[cckgz4]

No buzz.

yeah, it did

Apple has been the only phone company to have a press conference about a phone and have media coverage in consumers' television screens. The Samsung galaxy s 3 did not and only had coverage like that after it was released, with the olympics using it as their official phone model

 

[sting7k]

I don't even remember now but what did Microsoft show off at their WP8 event months ago?. Windows 8 is done and released to manufacturing. What is taking so long with WP8? This wasn't really a joint event. It was a Nokia event that some Microsoft people happened to attend.

By coming out after the iPhone 5 and iOS 6 they are really just digging themselves an even deeper hole. I have no idea what they are thinking. They need someone to get a better strategy and get people moving. Balmer just looks like some old crumbum up there these days. He shouldn't have even come on stage yesterday.

And jrdatrackstar is right, it created no buzz. Not even hours after Apple announced just the date of their event it was on the cnn.com front page. It is still there on the front page under tech. No mention of Nokia anywhere. You have to into the tech section and then the only story they have about it is about the stock tanking and disappointment. Is that supposed to be buzz?

I had people asking me if I saw the new Moto Razr's yesterday, not one about the Lumias.

 

[aubreyq]

I don't think the lesson has TRULY been learned that NO ONE knows about Windows Phone

I agree with this. To this day when I tell people I have a Windows Phone they don't know what I'm saying. One of my friends asked if I meant Windows Mobile (???). Another friend asked me if I had Tango (the Skype-like app, not the WP update) installed. I said "I don't but I'm sure it's available for Windows Phone. I'll install it." His answer: "Oh, yeah. It's available on the Android Market for sure." I mean, W...T...F?

It seems like they're just relying on the Windows 8 launch to do the marketing for them, and are expecting people to say "hey, that phone looks like my tablet", when in fact people don't CARE.

I disagree, here. I believe Windows 8 WILL help WP8 inmensely. The W8 tablets WILL sell and when people see the phones they'll start getting what MS is doing. Don't underestimate the clout Windows has.

...in order for those type of conversations to even get start, there HAS to be something that brings them to even explore the device, and right now there is NOTHING that does that...

The 920 will bring people to explore the device. Just wait for Nokia to start advertising. They'll also get help from AT&T.

The issue here is that the phones were announced too early.

 

[power5]

Yes, Balmer should stay off camera. He just does not look the part. Joe ?Belfiore? looks much better on camera. He has a trendy look and is not some big oaf in an ill-fitting suit.