Is Windows 10 For Mobile Really The Name Now?

[etad putta]

Lets just call it "Here". Not, "Later", or "Soon to be released" I believe it's quality and timing are the most important parts of this release.

 

[princeegli]

It should be two names... Cause it will be 2 OS's

Now they want to call it the same OS "company name"...that is Windows

For example windows 10....or (for the mobile devices) windows 10 mobile

For example...magne if they did thus all along,so that back in XP days....someone if asked "what are you running" on that laptop......people would say windows XP.....but if it was a phone....they cant say the same thing...cause its not the same

They would say "I'm runnin windows XP mobile"

Now if someone asked in general.....not the os,but.....hey what kinda phone you got .....
"I got a windows phone".......then they say,oh ok....what version you runnin...."XP mobile"

Today they will say...what kind of phone you got.."windows phone"....what version you runnin..."im still on 8.1 mobile".....or "10 mobile"

So I think the OS its self should have two names.....windows 10,and windows 10 mobile .....theres 2 OS's,running on lots of different devices.....

Some run the full version,and some run the mobile version

I mean are we really going to download a 4+ gig full windows 10,just to switch to a "mobile" version...using alot less than the whom os.......no.....theres not really a reason for it

 

[MTorskyj]

You could easily drag Android into this conversation, because who says they own "an Android"?

No one. You say I have an "Android phone" or "Android tablet". Also you don't say "I have a Kitkat Android but John has a Lollipop". So if people ask what type of phone you have it's still a "Windows phone". You don't name the OS you name the type of phone, so if MS name it something absurd like Windows 10 for Phones and Mobile Devices it will still be a "Windows phone".

I hope I was clear enough with that explanation.

 

[BitPusher2600]

That's so strange sounding to me, because "an Android", a "Droid" (usually not the actual Motorola), or Galaxy are what I hear used the most often.

At any rate, I want to believe you are correct, I just hope MS has this all figured out in terms of marketing. I simply want to see them succeed.

 

[princeegli]

Good point....MTorskyj

When someone asks me "what kinda phone you have".....i always say the brand of phone....like "I have a Nokia"....or my last phone I would say

"I have a Dell Streak"......then they would ask what does it run...."its an android phone".....then rarely someone might say what version....then IDE say "gingerbread"......so yea it windows definitely should not be called "Windows Phone".....because its not a windows phone....its a Microsoft,HTC,Acer,...what ever brand....

Only then if the say what os does it have....windows,android,apple

Lets say for apple.....someone asks what version os on phone,they would say "What do you mean".......lol.....just kidding

They would say "IOS 6.1" ...or..."IOS 7 or 8"....

But I you ask an apple user on their desktop.....what version mac osx are you on....they would say ".....pause........its running a mac".......lol.....haha

Ok they might say......"I'm on Snow Leopard"....or "Mountain Lion".....or "Mavericks"...."Yosemite"

 

[MicrosoftMobile4me]

How about Microsoft Mobile on mobile devices, like phones and tablets without strong enough processors and Windows 10 on desktops, laptops, and tablets with strong processors. They really just want to run the same OS on phones and tablets (without strong processors, of course) and don't want to call the OS on those tablets Windows Phone ( because It's not a phone ). It's really all about the phone and tablet running the same OS, not what the Intel machines are running.

 

[DJCBS]

I really hate that argument. There may be some truth to it, but I don't think MS should brand their product just to avoid confusing the 2% out there that don't get it.

Within the next 5 years, almost all the apps available on Desktop will be available on all devices. Desktop will just be reserved for those niche programs like AutoCAD, etc.

Even Adobe is beginning to port their portfolio over to ARM devices.

No, you will not. For the current Windows apps to be able to work on the phone, developers will have to turn them into Universal apps first. Currently, few are the apps that are Universal as many developers simply don't want to spend their limited time into rewriting their apps so that they'll work too on a OS that is in less than 4% of phones worldwide.

Also, NONE of the desktop apps will work on your phone. Desktop apps are x86 based. You simply can't run them on a mobile engine.

Microsoft will still have to do A LOT of work convincing developers to start releasing their Windows programs in the form of an app instead of an x86 program. And many of them simply won't do it because, in case you haven't noticed, the vast vast majority of Windows users (both private and enterprise) are on Windows 7, not Windows 8 or 10.
They'll first need to manage to pass all those Windows 7 users to Windows 10 for developers to start caring. AND even then, as most people use Desktop and not Metro, it's still not very clear that they'll join in on the "use an app instead of a program" thing. They'll need a miracle, given the fact that they still haven't managed to make people move away from Windows XP.

Windows 10 and Windows Mobile 10 will be an important step towards a cohesive OS experience. HOWEVER they will NOT be ONE operating system. They'll still be two different OSs that will require different programs. Microsoft's work is just about to begin.

Seriously...LOWER your expectations on what Windows 10 will be. Way too many people around here are putting a ton of hope and dreams on Windows 10 and they'll be severely disappointed.

 

[spaulagain]

No, you will not. For the current Windows apps to be able to work on the phone, developers will have to turn them into Universal apps first. Currently, few are the apps that are Universal as many developers simply don't want to spend their limited time into rewriting their apps so that they'll work too on a OS that is in less than 4% of phones worldwide.

Also, NONE of the desktop apps will work on your phone. Desktop apps are x86 based. You simply can't run them on a mobile engine.

Microsoft will still have to do A LOT of work convincing developers to start releasing their Windows programs in the form of an app instead of an x86 program. And many of them simply won't do it because, in case you haven't noticed, the vast vast majority of Windows users (both private and enterprise) are on Windows 7, not Windows 8 or 10.
They'll first need to manage to pass all those Windows 7 users to Windows 10 for developers to start caring. AND even then, as most people use Desktop and not Metro, it's still not very clear that they'll join in on the "use an app instead of a program" thing. They'll need a miracle, given the fact that they still haven't managed to make people move away from Windows XP.

Windows 10 and Windows Mobile 10 will be an important step towards a cohesive OS experience. HOWEVER they will NOT be ONE operating system. They'll still be two different OSs that will require different programs. Microsoft's work is just about to begin.

Seriously...LOWER your expectations on what Windows 10 will be. Way too many people around here are putting a ton of hope and dreams on Windows 10 and they'll be severely disappointed.

Lol, I'm fully aware that x86 apps don't run on ARM and that it will take a while for existing devs to move to universal apps. But most Windows users only need some of the basic apps that are available on Windows. Apps that are easily done in the Universal environment.

My Dad and I have a client that he built an enterprise application for years ago. And now they need some updates and improvements. Guess how we're building it? Universal app. I also have another client that currently has a WinForms application we're making updates to. They plan on switching to Universal app in the next year or so.

You also forget that most good Windows apps are written in the .NET environment. An environment that is still very much present in Universal apps. Moving to a Universal app is not nearly as difficult as you think. And Microsoft keeps making it easier. They're even working towards being able to port your Universal app to iOS and Android.

Here's an example of a desktop app that has recently migrated to a Windows 8 app. Live Interior 3D Pro used to just be a OSX Desktop app, but they've now made a Windows 8 app and it's fantastic. This is a 3D rendering program...

http://www.belightsoft.com/products/liveinterior/win/overview.php

In addition, many of the applications people are using are Web based now. So they can be available on anything. And since Microsoft made Web languages (HTML/CSS/JS) first class citizens in the Universal app environment, it's much easier to make a Windows app from that web based version.

So I know you like to poo poo on Windows 10, but you also way underestimate the speed in which the market is Changing.

I bet if you listed out the top 30-50 Windows applications used today, you'll find most of them are pretty easy to move over to Windows Universal apps if they haven't been already.

 

[DJCBS]

Lol, I'm fully aware that x86 apps don't run on ARM and that it will take a while for existing devs to move to universal apps. But most Windows users only need some of the basic apps that are available on Windows. Apps that are easily done in the Universal environment.

My Dad and I have a client that he built an enterprise application for years ago. And now they need some updates and improvements. Guess how we're building it? Universal app. I also have another client that currently has a WinForms application we're making updates to. They plan on switching to Universal app in the next year or so.

You also forget that most good Windows apps are written in the .NET environment. An environment that is still very much present in Universal apps. Moving to a Universal app is not nearly as difficult as you think. And Microsoft keeps making it easier. They're even working towards being able to port your Universal app to iOS and Android.

Here's an example of a desktop app that has recently migrated to a Windows 8 app. Live Interior 3D Pro used to just be a OSX Desktop app, but they've now made a Windows 8 app and it's fantastic. This is a 3D rendering program...

Live Interior 3D for Windows ? Overview

In addition, many of the applications people are using are Web based now. So they can be available on anything. And since Microsoft made Web languages (HTML/CSS/JS) first class citizens in the Universal app environment, it's much easier to make a Windows app from that web based version.

So I know you like to poo poo on Windows 10, but you also way underestimate the speed in which the market is Changing.

I bet if you listed out the top 30-50 Windows applications used today, you'll find most of them are pretty easy to move over to Windows Universal apps if they haven't been already.

First of all, I don't like to poo poo on Windows 10. I don't know where you got that idea, but I've said more than once that Windows 10 is what Windows 8 should have been.

Now, you still completely fail to understand the point. You use your dad's experience with a couple of clients and expand it to everything. You still fail to understand the primary point: you NEED people to move to Windows 10 from Windows XP and Windows 7 which are the vast vast majority of users.

Then you also fail to realize that the "app" idea is a concept that doesn't apply to Desktop. You can have apps running on desktop but none of those will be running on the phones. Furthermore, developers of x86 programs (which are probably 95% of all the programs available for Windows) will mostly NOT be interested in wasting money turning their programs into apps just because they *could* work on mobile. Why? Because Windows Phone is a neglect-able market as it's way too small. There's no profit to be make in turning x86 programs into Universal apps.

Then you have the earnings process. Microsoft takes a percentage of all apps sold through the Store. WHY would any developer of a x86 program, that sells it directly to the user for him to install, would waste money in turning the program into an app that would see him lose a percentage of the profit he could make if he sold it as normal programs do?

But most Windows users only need some of the basic apps that are available on Windows.

You have no data to support this. Also, "basic" things for Windows Users are browswers and the Office suit. And guess what? Microsoft is NOT turning its office suite into an app or bunch of apps. They're preparing mobile versions of it but the office suite will remain a x86 non-universal PROGRAM, not app.

The mobile market is changing rapidly but when it comes to the PC market, it isn't. Microsoft thought it was too when they released Windows 8. Then they realised that Windows 8 was a flop because, despite the changing of habits with smartphones and tablets, most people kept using PCs for the conventional uses. People kept using Desktop and desktop programs on a PC, not the store apps.

 

[spaulagain]

^You do realize that the Office apps on RT/ARM right now are full versions right?

What MS is working on is a touch friendly version of Office. We don't know the details yet as to what that will mean as far as the other "desktop" apps. They could be one in the same and just have a UI that adapts.

Everything is the PC market. A tablet is a freaking PC. And that line people like you keep trying to draw between devices is fading more and more every year.

I get it, you are a pessimist. Everyone knows that on this forum. I am an optimist, and just looking at my usage (I'm a power user). I see no reason why the majority of apps couldn't be made in the Universal environment.

As for the "cut" MS takes. That could change any moment. Amd despite your angle, there is value in offering the apps in the Store and taking that hit.

 

[fatclue_98]

Has this community become that shallow that some are complaining about the name? I can't think of a dorkier name than Android yet I don't see our sister publication running threads bemoaning a name change. Can I get y'all some cheese to go with the whine?

 

[Stefan Holder]

Funny thing is I used to defend the forum when others pointed out that it's now become a haven for whiners...now I gotta admit defeat and throw in the towel. Windows Central has in fact become a haven for whiners.. I mean c'mon.. Users complain bitterly for every little thing. I've just come to accept it, and started frequenting other Windows focused forums..

 

[BitPusher2600]

Has this community become that shallow that some are complaining about the name? I can't think of a dorkier name than Android yet I don't see our sister publication running threads bemoaning a name change. Can I get y'all some cheese to go with the whine?

I was speaking more on a common use / marketing perspective, while any other time I would avidly praise Windows Phone, that's all. But fine, I'll accept your point and will never waste anyone's time posting here again. Thank you and take care.

 

[anon(5348756)]

According to today's news, it will just be called Windows 10, regardless of device.

Low-end Lumia 532 is 'Windows 10 ready' - Neowin

Microsoft claims new Lumia 532 is 'Windows 10 ready' hinting at new OS name for phones | Windows Central

 

[fatclue_98]

Funny thing is I used to defend the forum when others pointed out that it's now become a haven for whiners...now I gotta admit defeat and throw in the towel. Windows Central has in fact become a haven for whiners.. I mean c'mon.. Users complain bitterly for every little thing. I've just come to accept it, and started frequenting other Windows focused forums..

I'd prefer you stayed. There is always the chance that you may have the answer to a problem I'm having. That's what makes these boards work, but I totally get your point.

 

[Stefan Holder]

I'd prefer you stayed. There is always the chance that you may have the answer to a problem I'm having. That's what makes these boards work, but I totally get your point.

I'm not leaving Windows Central forums...
I just find other forums to chat in when most of the posts on WC are complainants..

 

[Ma Rio]

I'm okay with calling it just "Windows".
as someone said:
those are all Windows devices.
we have "Windows" PCs
we have "Windows" phones (small p since it's not the brand name)
also "Windows" tables
maybe we'll later see "Windows" smart watches

some will run full windows, some will run the mobile version

 

[Fire 29]

Just hope they don't call it windows mobile. That's so lame sounding.

 

[Gautam Kabiraj]

Speaking of branding by Microsoft? Then take it: they may surprise you anytime, whether for good or bad. I'm being positive, though.

 

[fatclue_98]

Just hope they don't call it windows mobile. That's so lame sounding.

It's accurate and it fits phones and RT tablets.