Legacy PHones no Apollo Update, will get 7.8 update

[cckgz4]

At least Apple gave 3GS users the choice to upgrade or not. What I have Heard iOS 4 is working okay on 3GS while iOS 5 is missing some features. 3GS was 12 months when iOS 4 was released and 24 months old when iOS 5 came.

Your Nokia N900 will be 4 months old when its OS will be phased out with no option to upgrade.

The N900 is not a Windows Phone, and if the 7.8 "update" isn't an update, what do you call it? I would like to see what your assumptions describe it to be

 

[Reflexx]

I love how you didn't quote the final part, when I mention I'm actually excited and optimistic.

Oh, I know you're optimistic. This was merely a statement regarding the term "obsolete".

Especially since using the term wrong ends up encouraging the people who think tye sky is falling, even if that wasn't your intent.

 

[Winterfang]

The topics always stays a little bit, before they disappear. I can't believe you called a troll, I love Windows Phone as much as everyone here. But acting like everything is alright is what killed webOS.

They needed to kill WP7, they realized it wasn't that great and needed to be removed from the source and born again, like a Phoenix.

Edit: I said that to some guy that quoted my entire topic, except the last line when I'm actually positive and excited. It made me look like a downer.

 

[twint7787]

You're probably right about those people being the ones looking for the new draw something or words with friends. However I think you are forgetting that no matter what your opinion on those people are, their money and your money are exactly the same and that's ALL MS cares about. Let me give you an example. I work with 30 women at a hospital. Some of them have asked me about my phone and I talk to them about it but I don't really push it. You want to know what most of them talk about when they are discussing anything phone related? Who is the nastiest Words with Friends, Draw Something, or Scramble player. You want to know what kind of phone they have; iPhone.....4s. Just remember the tech savvy are few and far between and the average consumer is what MS is after.

 

[cckgz4]

The topics always stays a little bit, before they disappear. I can't believe you called a troll, I love Windows Phone as much as everyone here. But acting like everything is alright is what killed webOS.

They needed to kill WP7, they realized it wasn't that great and needed to be removed from the source and born again, like a Phoenix.

RIGHT, that's what killed WebOS.

I'm over it, well your font.

 

[naplesbill]

I feel better now. Took the Lumia back to AT&T and I am back to using my Titan II. Now I still have three upgrades for the rest of this year.

I am sure by the time WP8 comes out I will have forgotten most of this. However, I will not recommend WP to anyone until then.

I fully understand the coming kernel changes, but I also feel MS could have provided a better option for people who have bought one of the latest round of devices. This is what is upsetting most people. I have had a WP7 device since launch in 2010. I am beginning to question my choice in this platform.

If I had a 1-2 month old iPhone, I would be certain of getting the latest and greatest ios has to offer.

This is the bar that Microsoft needs to reach.

Sent from my PI86100 using Board Express

 

[anon(5335899)]

Problem is it just might be an iPhone 5. They are still supporting the 3GS that is like 3 years old now.

A more accurate wording would be 'Apple allows the 3GS to run iOS6 with reduced feature set but it does slow the device to a crawl.'

 

[cckgz4]

You're probably right about those people being the ones looking for the new draw something or words with friends. However I think you are forgetting that no matter what your opinion on those people are, their money and your money are exactly the same and that's ALL MS cares about. Let me give you an example. I work with 30 women at a hospital. Some of them have asked me about my phone and I talk to them about it but I don't really push it. You want to know what most of them talk about when they are discussing anything phone related? Who is the nastiest Words with Friends, Draw Something, or Scramble player. You want to know what kind of phone they have; iPhone.....4s. Just remember the tech savvy are few and far between and the average consumer is what MS is after.

I agree with that which is why I believe this is why they did this. Windows Phone was not taking off to great heights, so to pacify the legacy people, they gave them something as close as they could to the new version of what they were going for that will HOPEFULLY catch everyone's eye. My opinion is just that if no one really had a BIG interest in Windows Phone before, I doubt this announcement has changed it's pace. It's going to sell like its been doing

 

[cckgz4]

I feel better now. Took the Lumia back to AT&T and I am back to using my Titan II. Now I still have three upgrades for the rest of this year.

I am sure by the time WP8 comes out I will have forgotten most of this. However, I will not recommend WP to anyone until then.

I fully understand the coming kernel changes, but I also feel MS could have provided a better option for people who have bought one of the latest round of devices. This is what is upsetting most people. I have had a WP7 device since launch in 2010. I am beginning to question my choice in this platform.

If I had a 1-2 month old iPhone, I would be certain of getting the latest and greatest ios has to offer.

This is the bar that Microsoft needs to reach.

Sent from my PI86100 using Board Express

You could suggest someone to use an older device off contract, but you are choosing not to because you are jaded. Don't act like you're doing them a favor because of this experience. It only affected you in your life, not your friends who didn't get a chance. The sense of entitlement is thick, but thankfully I'm glad you returned the phone because now you can get what you want. I wish others would follow suit

 

[twint7787]

I agree with you. No matter how you split this though if you are an average run-of-the-mill person buying a Lumia 900 recently, or in the near future, you are going to be upset. Plus, you and I both know that its not like there is going to be a designated person at every AT&T store letting people know they should probably hold out for new WP8 devices. IDK I just feel it was sloppy on their end. I understand it is necessary and ****, I'm excited as ever to have the same OS on my phone, pc, tablet, and XBOX because to me that is the future. One OS on every screen. But you can't keep pissing people off in the process.

 

[mb-dape]

Please take that and run with it. What you saw: WP7 won't be supported anymore. What was said: WP8 won't have backwards compatibility unless the developer makes one for 7.8. Android does it all the time, it's not impossible.

Tell that to my aunt and her new Samsung Galaxy phone. No not the newest, the first edition. She can't sideload apk's on her phone so she can't get the new market, she can't play quite a few current games, so she's not in the loop. So no, your argument is NOT supported by all devices.

I don't deny that obsolete is not in the future for WP7 but it's not happening anytime soon. It's about to happen for the 3GS soon enough, it's happening to a lot of newly released Android devices, and it'll happen to WP7. In reality, the update span has been on pace with iOS. The only people that it should sting a little is Lumia/Titan owners and even then, they see an update.

And yes, let's continue with Android. Remember when Netflix and hulu came out and only a handful of devices were supported? See how long that took for all devices to get a chance? Remember how long it even took for it to come out? There are PLENTY of games that I try to download on my Mytouch that can't work because of my processor. Eventually, fixes became available for the majority of Android's market to work across the board. But don't sit here and pretend right now that it's always been that way. It hasn't. WP8 hasn't even came out yet and you don't know what fixes or substitutions they have in store.

I agree with you in many ways but you still dont really see my point;

If an 3 years old Samsung Galaxy Android cant run the newest update/apps it is okay.
If an 3 years old iPhone 3GS cant runt iOS 6 it is okay.
If an 2 years old HTC HD7 WP7 wont get an update to WP8 it is okay.

But if my new HTC Titan which was sold as a flagship model with MS "new promising" Windows Phone OS does NOT get an major update in less then 6 months it is NOT okay.

Android has much more models to choose from, if you buy a cheap one, of course you cant play the latest games. But if you buy a flagship model like SG3 or HTC One X you bet it will be supported with updates and apps for a long time.

My HTC Titan will go from flagship model to abandon model with limited functionality and without new OS or support for new apps in less then a year. Not acceptable.

 

[mb-dape]

The N900 is not a Windows Phone, and if the 7.8 "update" isn't an update, what do you call it? I would like to see what your assumptions describe it to be

Sorry, I meant the Lumia 900 of course. I would call the 7.8 an "update", but if you read closer I wrote "upgrade" as in upgrade to the next major release of the OS.

 

[cckgz4]

I agree with you in many ways but you still dont really see my point;

If an 3 years old Samsung Galaxy Android cant run the newest update/apps it is okay.
If an 3 years old iPhone 3GS cant runt iOS 6 it is okay.
If an 2 years old HTC HD7 WP7 wont get an update to WP8 it is okay.

But if my new HTC Titan which was sold as a flagship model with MS "new promising" Windows Phone OS does NOT get an major update in less then 6 months it is NOT okay.

Android has much more models to choose from, if you buy a cheap one, of course you cant play the latest games. But if you buy a flagship model like SG3 or HTC One X you bet it will be supported with updates and apps for a long time.

My HTC Titan will go from flagship model to abandon model with limited functionality and without new OS or support for new apps in less then a year. Not acceptable.

Lies @ the Bold. My argument about Netflix and Hulu? Did NOT work on all the latest and greatest at first due to the whole copyright thing. And phones like the Motorola Atrix and other phones that were "top of the line"? They're not on Ice Cream Sandwich. **** a lot of current phones out this year that are highly spec'd won't see ICS. We could go on and on. My point is: Pick your poison. Don't act like this is new. Don't act like we're not getting an update of significance for EVERY WINDOWS PHONE. Don't act like these newly released Windows Phone didn't get announced on the cusp of W8 rumors.

And if your device still has functionality, it's not abandoned. Again, you and all these others with the rant on apps that won't work don't even KNOW what apps will or won't work. And again, Android has that happened as well

Should Blackberry adopters of the 9900 be pissed about BB10? I knowwwwwwwwwww I asked this before but it bears to be asked again

 

[cckgz4]

Sorry, I meant the Lumia 900 of course. I would call the 7.8 an "update", but if you read closer I wrote "upgrade" as in upgrade to the next major release of the OS.

Yeah well it's life. Sorry that you are upset. Trust me I am. But like with Mango, **** even NoDo, this forum gets TRAMPLED with upset topics all the time it seems around the time news start buzzing about the next update/upgrade. Windows Phone has been out for two years. Even people adopting newer models should've known about WP8. If they didn't, they don't know now

 

[jake69]

Not those who bought a Lumia 900.

If you think about it...how many WP8 apps will be available by year end? Not many imo. It probably takes another 6 months to a year before we see the marketplace flooded with WP8 apps. By than most Lumia owners should be able to upgrade.

 

[theefman]

Not those who bought a Lumia 900.

Bought my 900 in April, no regrets about dumping tmobile, paying the etf and moving to at&t for it. When they announce their bevy of WP8 devices ill be right there to upgrade.

 

[mb-dape]

Lies @ the Bold. My argument about Netflix and Hulu? Did NOT work on all the latest and greatest at first due to the whole copyright thing. And phones like the Motorola Atrix and other phones that were "top of the line"? They're not on Ice Cream Sandwich. **** a lot of current phones out this year that are highly spec'd won't see ICS. We could go on and on. My point is: Pick your poison. Don't act like this is new. Don't act like we're not getting an update of significance for EVERY WINDOWS PHONE. Don't act like these newly released Windows Phone didn't get announced on the cusp of W8 rumors.

And if your device still has functionality, it's not abandoned. Again, you and all these others with the rant on apps that won't work don't even KNOW what apps will or won't work. And again, Android has that happened as well

Should Blackberry adopters of the 9900 be pissed about BB10? I knowwwwwwwwwww I asked this before but it bears to be asked again

I agree that there is a lot to be said about Android too, but them having bad update routines doesnt justify MS having even worse, or?
I cant comment on Netflix and Hulu, either are they not released in my country or not popular here, I havnt heard of them anyway.
Motorola Atrix is about 12 months old and will get ICS during Q3. So it will get the latest OS even though it will be almost 18 years old. How can that be a bad thing?
Why would there be many high spec devices released this year that wont get ICS? That one have you just made up.

And AGAIN, the point is that having the latest OS is NOT the most important thing here. Even if you have an Android with 2.3 it will be supported by Google and devs because of the huge user base.

WP 7 was lacking popular and important apps and functionality even before today, mainly because the OS hasnt sold that well. And now when WP 8 soon is here the users will only be fewer. I dont think 7.8 will do much for the app support, other then from Nokia itself to Lumia phones.

We dont have BB here, sorry.

 

[cckgz4]

I agree that there is a lot to be said about Android too, but them having bad update routines doesnt justify MS having even worse, or?
I cant comment on Netflix and Hulu, either are they not released in my country or not popular here, I havnt heard of them anyway.
Motorola Atrix is about 12 months old and will get ICS during Q3. So it will get the latest OS even though it will be almost 18 years old. How can that be a bad thing?
Why would there be many high spec devices released this year that wont get ICS? That one have you just made up.

And AGAIN, the point is that having the latest OS is NOT the most important thing here. Even if you have an Android with 2.3 it will be supported by Google and devs because of the huge user base.

WP 7 was lacking popular and important apps and functionality even before today, mainly because the OS hasnt sold that well. And now when WP 8 soon is here the users will only be fewer. I dont think 7.8 will do much for the app support, other then from Nokia itself to Lumia phones.

We dont have BB here, sorry.

Not only is it getting it months after the update has been out, Jellybean will probably be out before everyone is using it on the Atrix.

And look at this link: Google: Ice Cream Sandwich now accounts for 7.1 percent of Android user base -- Engadget That big slice in the pie graph shows all the users on last year's Android OS, which accounts for the majority of users. They are about to release Jelly bean and 64% of their users are still on last years update. And a little over 7% are actually current. Fact. That's my point. We are up in arms about this but look at this matter. As I've stated, people just need to pick your poison

And as someone else has stated: people are NOT going to just have this surplus of apps ready to go for WP8 at release time. It's going to take a minute to see some huge things happen there, let alone apps popping up for WP8 only

 

[anon(5340153)]

I hope WP 7.8 support the integration of Skype and third party VoIP. However, it seems that WP 7.8 is basically only about the UI changes. If there are more good stuff about WP 7.8, it does not make sense for Microsoft to keep quiet about it. Will there be further updates to WP7.x? I hope there is, but it seems unlikely.

The lack of native code support is disappointing given that it is one of the main attraction to draw developers to WP.

 

[mud314]

You just bought a phone that you're stuck with for the next two years that's getting cut off. That sucks. The iPhone 3GS is getting iOS 6, and it's three years old. Your phone is two months old if you bought a 900.

Windows Phone 8 Looks Great, but It Screws Existing Users

Enjoy your no new apps from here on out situation.

You are aware that while they will be getting iOS 6, they are not getting all of the features and already more and more apps are no longer being supported by older devices? For instance iPhone 4 will not be getting Maps or other features including Siri. The original iPad is not getting any of iOS 6. What can their argument possibly be? None, other than they want to force people into buying newer devices. It's not the technology as a lot of the iPad is actually on the iPhone 4. iPad 2 will not getting be Siri, but the iPad 3 will be getting Siri.

All of the "closed" systems are doing this, about the only mobile OS where you can sort of with hacking tools, that will allow you to install a different OS will be Android. Granted I am not a super Android fan and I prefer the experience in WPx, but different evolutions of Android can for the most part be installed on older devices, they may not be official ROMs but they will work. We cannot do that with: iOS, BB, Symbian, WebOs and even our fave WP.

More and more I am seeing that these tech companies are making these devices disposable, but at a very high price. We gladly dish out our money, whine and complain on forums much like these, hoping to find a sympathetic ear. First world problems are a b1tch.