Legacy PHones no Apollo Update, will get 7.8 update

[socialcarpet]

Microsfot ensured wp8 is going to be compatible with wp7 apps so that wp8 has apps to use when launched. It is very self serving.

It's called business. Making a new OS backwards compatible with the existing apps catalog is work the effort, otherwise they'd be starting with 0 apps, which doesn't work. Holding back the new OS and putting time and effort into making sure it will work with the old phones to keep a few thousand fanboys happy is OK if it doesn't compromise the primary objective. Clearly it did. Oh well. Life goes on. Microsoft doesn't owe anyone, me included, more that what we paid for. I paid for Windows 7.5 as-is. I'm getting 7.8 too as a bonus. Good enough for me. I was never promised anything more than that, neither were you and you shouldn't have expected it.

Microsoft did not say anything about future wp8 apps' compatibility with wp7, that implies majority of new apps will not be compatible.

That's right. None of them will, except ones that developers choose to write for 7.5/7.8 which will work on both. That is up to developers, not Microsoft.

Microsoft knew that wp7 would be a discontinued OS and still preached it to be the OS of the future. Still sold it to users or consumers as an ecosystem of the future.

Microsoft never made it a secret that they were developing Windows Phone 8, they never made it a secret that it used a completely different kernel. They never sold WP7 "as and ecosystem of the future" whatever that means. That's in your imagination. There was never any promise that WP7 was going to go on forever and ever or that every phone ever would be updated forever. NEVER did Microsoft promise or even imply that.

Technically, there is no good reason not to update current wp7 devices to wp8. Microsoft still decided not to update.

Wrong. I'm not going to waste any energy explaining this to you, but if you care to learn the facts for yourself, the information is out there. Microsoft isn't stupid. Do you think they made this decision just for fun, just because they wanted to see how much bad press Windows Phone could endure? It wasn't a decision they made lightly. If you think they could have easily just flipped a switch and did it with no cost, no compromise, no problems, then you have no clue.

I supported WP7 because I want to support competition. I do not want a mobile phone world dominated by IOS and android. It was not because wp7 was better.

Well I'm not sure what to tell you then. This is business, not religion or philosophy. If you didn't think WP7 was better, but you're so dedicated to supporting competition that you bought it anyway, then you might as well continue to support it, or don't. Whatever.

I feel bad for Nokia.

Me too, but Nokia are grown ups. Their feelings won't be hurt. They can take it. Like I said, it's business. Microsoft had to make a business decision and they did. Life goes on.

I hope Nokia's plan B is to develop android phones.

I've never wanted something LESS in my entire history of using smartphones. Nokia makes great phones and I hate Android, my last Android device was a nightmare. There is a reason that Nokia's previous CEO said "Going to Android would be like pissing our pants to try to keep warm". If Nokia wants to survive they will not do it by jumping in the shark tank of Android makers all fighting for market share and battling Samsung to see who can make the cheapest, thinnest plastic phone.

Nokia loses either way in that scenario.

If they can't compete with Samsung and the big players in Android, then they die.

If they can, then they lose everything that makes them unique except for the exterior design of their phone, which the Koreans will just rip off anyway. They become an empty shell of the company they were and just another Android maker. In which case I'll never buy a Nokia phone again.

Microsoft sold its discontinued OS to Nokia that is facing bankrupcy. How about millions of Nokia's share holders? Do not tell anyone Microsoft's decision did not impact them.

Believe me Nokia still ended up getting the good end of the deal. Billions in investments from Microsoft, Microsoft using Nokia's mapping company for all Windows phones now, which means Nokia gets paid from ALL of them.

Nokia's problems began years ago when they ignored the iPhone and responded too late and too weakly with some skins for Symbian and then a new OS that almost no one wanted. Going to Android would not have saved them either for the reasons I outlined above. Android does not differentiate your product, that is why all the stupid Android manufacturers clog their phones up with dumb skins like TouchWiz and Sense. Trying so hard to make it look like they have something different. A Nokia Android with a Nokia skin would just be another buggy, slow, clogged up Android phone, just what the world doesn't need any more of.

They took a calculated risk, Elop made the right choice. The only choice. Time will tell if it pays off. I think it will because I believe Windows Phone 8 will succeed and Nokia is the premier Windows Phone maker and the only company committed to it completely. They are the face of Windows Phone, they are tied to the success of Windows Phone.

A year from now no one will remember all the crying about upgrades, there will be nice Nokia's running WP8 on most of the major carriers and all this complaining will have been for nothing.

 

[socialcarpet]

Well the threads DO have a title....only read the ones ABOUT app's or tips......when you CHOOSE to read one titled " Legacy PHones no Apollo Update" you kinda know what's going to be in it, so just stay the **** out of it if it upsets you so....you know, go "play with the dog" like you said you would rather do anyway......

Good point. I can't really argue with you there. I should know better than to enter any of these threads by now.

 

[Budule]

Good point. I can't really argue with you there. I should know better than to enter any of these threads by now.

But, somebody does have to counter the whinners (and, although a little harsh, you make some excellant points).....i was guilty of whinning as well being that the Lumia 900 was the first smartphone i ever bought and 31 days AFTER i got it i found all this out, and yes it did piss me off....my fault for assuming but still made me mad.......still mad as
"perception is reality" and this did feel a little "dirty" to the just released phones.....but the phone is great, does what it should do and i will get some "eye candy" in the future.....so, i have "moved on" i guess and most likely will get a WP8 , especially since i now (due to recent SEVER storms) have to get a new computer (with a Windows 8 upgrade which will be in writing) so i see how the 2 pair up......

 

[cckgz4]

People still going?

 

[HeyCori]

There's nothing wrong with whining. We've all done it before and will do it again. However, excessive whining is extremely annoying. Now, the same can be said for excessive praise. The difference is that the person who excessively praises a device clearly won't be getting rid of it any time soon and said person will usually do more to help the community than hurt it.

But it is time to move on when the only thing a person can talk about, or even think about, is how bitter, angry, and upset a product makes them. If you're that angry then stop wasting everyone's time and do something about it. Sell the device and buy something else. Companies respond by hitting them where it hurts the most - their wallet.

I do it all the time. I wasn't happy with my HTC Titan so I moved to a Lumia 900. And I have no desire to tell people who are happy with their Titan how I think they should feel about their device. Did I complain? Heck yeah I did. But, unlike some people, I don't see any reason to take it any further than that because at some point complaints have to become action. There's no reason to drag down an entire topic/thread/forum because you're angry. Do something that makes you permanently happy. Complaining is only a temporary fix. The problem is you're walking around with a device you don't like. The solution is to get rid of it. It's just plastic. A disposable device you won't even care about in a couple of years. It's really not that big of a deal.

Find something more constructive to do with your time besides ranting, raving, spreading FUD, and flaming people at an internet forum because you don't like your PHONE anymore.

 

[socialcarpet]

But it is time to move on when the only thing a person can talk about, or even think about, is how bitter, angry, and upset a product makes them. If you're that angry then stop wasting everyone's time and do something about it. Sell the device and buy something else. Companies respond by hitting them where it hurts the most - their wallet.

The problem is you're walking around with a device you don't like. The solution is to get rid of it. It's just plastic. A disposable device you won't even care about in a couple of years. It's really not that big of a deal.

Find something more constructive to do with your time besides ranting, raving, spreading FUD, and flaming people at an internet forum because you don't like your PHONE anymore.

Amen.

 

[petersun21]

random thoughts

There's nothing wrong with whining. We've all done it before and will do it again. However, excessive whining is extremely annoying. Now, the same can be said for excessive praise. The difference is that the person who excessively praises a device clearly won't be getting rid of it any time soon and said person will usually do more to help the community than hurt it..

What is annoying is people defending MS blindly. When started using windows phone and I posted a message stating that I do not like the arrow on the home screen. People almost scolded for saying that. You know what. MS is getting ride of it. MS did something wrong. You are entitled to your opinion and I am entitled to mine. Because of repeated report and protest, George Zimmerman got arrested (I am not saying he is guilty and I am saying he should be arrested and charged). In this particular case, MS betrayed millions of early users. At least I feel that way. I did not respond every positive post about MS. You almost responded to every negative post about MS. Who is annoying?

But it is time to move on when the only thing a person can talk about, or even think about, is how bitter, angry, and upset a product makes them. If you're that angry then stop wasting everyone's time and do something about it. Sell the device and buy something else. Companies respond by hitting them where it hurts the most - their wallet. .

The only thing you can do is to support MS. I am not forcing you to read my posts. How did I waste your time? Yes I am doing something about it by posting and letting other people know.

I do it all the time. I wasn't happy with my HTC Titan so I moved to a Lumia 900. And I have no desire to tell people who are happy with their Titan how I think they should feel about their device. Did I complain? Heck yeah I did. But, unlike some people, I don't see any reason to take it any further than that because at some point complaints have to become action. There's no reason to drag down an entire topic/thread/forum because you're angry. Do something that makes you permanently happy. Complaining is only a temporary fix. The problem is you're walking around with a device you don't like. The solution is to get rid of it. It's just plastic. A disposable device you won't even care about in a couple of years. It's really not that big of a deal..

Probably it is not that big a deal for you. Financially it is not that big a deal to me either. That is not the point. It is big deal for MS. If Amazon over charged you $10, you will write or call to ge the money back. I work in an IT department. MS has no idea how negative the perception of MS is. I supported MS and I felt betrayed. Why you are assuming that I am angry and bitter? Can people express their opinions in non bitter and angry way?

Find something more constructive to do with your time besides ranting, raving, spreading FUD, and flaming people at an internet forum because you don't like your PHONE anymore.

ranting? raving? spreading FUD? If I keep posting, I guess I will be charged with murder. Like my phone or not has nothing to do with this topic. MS created an OS and discontinued it in two years, left customers who bought a phone less than a year not updatable, left a partner's stock sinking. MS CEO Steve Balmer stated during the launch of WP7: "We update.". It is in reference to andoid phones. Did MS do any better than android in updating phones? He should have stated: "We update and we discontinue."

Consumers have the right to complain, repeatedly complain because MS is a huge company that can do a lot of wrongs to its consumers. I bought xbox and kinect. Why should I pay $10/month just to be able to watch youtube on it? Someone bought an iPhone or iPad, why should that person pay Apple to read a book on it? Why Apple is not allowing you to buy a book on your kindle app?

Because they can do it. The only reason they can do it is because consumers are allowing them to do it.

 

[HeyCori]

petersun21, you seem to be under the impression that I'm interested in your post history. I'm not.

And you seem to be making a lot of assumptions about me and what I think. I don't care about your assumptions either.

You attack me because I'm trying to deny people's right to complain - which is the exact opposite of the very first thing I said in my last reply.

That's how little you're listening to anybody.

The point is that you're all debating in circles, repeating the same arguments to the same people. At some point everyone has to realize that they're just talking to talk. It's not a crusade, it's not a debate, it's just brick walls talking to other brick walls.

And if you have a different view, fine. Keep running in circles like hamsters on a wheel.

 

[socialcarpet]

What is annoying is people defending MS blindly. When started using windows phone and I posted a message stating that I do not like the arrow on the home screen. People almost scolded for saying that.

All you've done since you got here is post complaints. I pretty sure you're on the list of people who joined for no other reason than to have a place to dump your complaints. If that's all you're brining to the table, don't be surprised if some people call you out on it.

Wanting to have a forum that consists of something other than complaints is not "defending MS blindly". I know this might be a hard concept for you to grasp, but some of us joined a forum about Windows Phone because....we actually LIKE Windows Phone. Crazy I know.

You know what. MS is getting ride of it. MS did something wrong. You are entitled to your opinion and I am entitled to mine. Because of repeated report and protest, George Zimmerman got arrested (I am not saying he is guilty and I am saying he should be arrested and charged). In this particular case, MS betrayed millions of early users. At least I feel that way. I did not respond every positive post about MS. You almost responded to every negative post about MS. Who is annoying?

Did you really just compare the lack of a Windows Phone 8 update to the Trayvon Martin case????

If there was any doubt left that you are completely irrational and overreacting about this stupid OS update, THAT will certainly put an end to it.

The only thing you can do is to support MS. I am not forcing you to read my posts. How did I waste your time? Yes I am doing something about it by posting and letting other people know.

Oh. I see. You're letting people know. I guess we misunderstood. We didn't realize your incessant complaining about the Trayvon Martin-like injustice of the WP8 update was actually a service you were providing.

By all means, keep letting people know your learned opinion on this important issue. It's a very valuable service you're delivering, bringing all this new information to light and educating us all. Very helpful. Thanks so much.

Probably it is not that big a deal for you. Financially it is not that big a deal to me either. That is not the point.

Then SHUT THE F UP about it already.

It is big deal for MS. If Amazon over charged you $10, you will write or call to ge the money back.

That's right, you write or call AMAZON to get your money back. You don't post endless threads complaining about it on an Amazon fan forum.

ranting? raving? spreading FUD? If I keep posting, I guess I will be charged with murder. Like my phone or not has nothing to do with this topic. MS created an OS and discontinued it in two years, left customers who bought a phone less than a year not updatable, left a partner's stock sinking. MS CEO Steve Balmer stated during the launch of WP7: "We update.". It is in reference to andoid phones. Did MS do any better than android in updating phones? He should have stated: "We update and we discontinue."

Let me ask you, is there a point at which you think you've complained about this enough? How will you know when you've reached that threshold? What is it going to take? Will Steve Ballmer have to personally apologize to you and handcraft a special version of WP8 just for your phone and install it for you himself on his day off?

Consumers have the right to complain, repeatedly complain because MS is a huge company that can do a lot of wrongs to its consumers. I bought xbox and kinect. Why should I pay $10/month just to be able to watch youtube on it? Someone bought an iPhone or iPad, why should that person pay Apple to read a book on it? Why Apple is not allowing you to buy a book on your kindle app?

Don't like it?

Don't buy it and shut the F up.

Quit COMPLAINING. Wah wah wah wah waaaaaahhhhhhH!!!!

Because they can do it. The only reason they can do it is because consumers are allowing them to do it.

That's right and ALL the complaining in the world from YOU isn't going to change a thing. So SHUT UP ALREADY.

 

[dkp23]

Damn, my thread is awesome! I just saw a thread referencing the Travyon Martin case. Are people that derp? Pure comedy!

Everyone that bought the phone and on this site should of know there was a possibility of not getting wp8 update. Common sense and logic should of told you that the likelihood of getting an update on a phone with dated specs and cant even utilize some of the new features because of the hardware issues.

If anybody is going to be mad, be mad at yourself and punch yourself in the face. Dont direct the blame at MS because of your baseless logic like "No way MS would abandon early adopters, it would not make business sense!" which resulted in you buying the phone. Should of done research, should of waited, or should of known.

 

[mb-dape]

Wanting to have a forum that consists of something other than complaints is not "defending MS blindly". I know this might be a hard concept for you to grasp, but some of us joined a forum about Windows Phone because....we actually LIKE Windows Phone. Crazy I know.

Good job, your posts is really contributing to a forum free from complaints...

Obviously he does not listen to you, so let him complain, is it really such a big deal for you?

There are so many other threads were you can hang out and help users or just talk with other WP-lovers.

If people like you didnt give him fuel on the fire everytime he complains, he probably would have stopped a long time ago.

Its not like the forum is trashed because there are a lot of people complaining in this thread.

If you go here, read and write and suggest that people who complain here should go shot themself, instead of just ignore this thread and do something fun, its pretty clear who has the biggest problems.

 

[petersun21]

You are no less

All you've done since you got here is post complaints. I pretty sure you're on the list of people who joined for no other reason than to have a place to dump your complaints. If that's all you're brining to the table, don't be surprised if some people call you out on it.

Wanting to have a forum that consists of something other than complaints is not "defending MS blindly". I know this might be a hard concept for you to grasp, but some of us joined a forum about Windows Phone because....we actually LIKE Windows Phone. Crazy I know.



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If there was any doubt left that you are completely irrational and overreacting about this stupid OS update, THAT will certainly put an end to it.



Oh. I see. You're letting people know. I guess we misunderstood. We didn't realize your incessant complaining about the Trayvon Martin-like injustice of the WP8 update was actually a service you were providing.

By all means, keep letting people know your learned opinion on this important issue. It's a very valuable service you're delivering, bringing all this new information to light and educating us all. Very helpful. Thanks so much.



Then SHUT THE F UP about it already.



That's right, you write or call AMAZON to get your money back. You don't post endless threads complaining about it on an Amazon fan forum.



Let me ask you, is there a point at which you think you've complained about this enough? How will you know when you've reached that threshold? What is it going to take? Will Steve Ballmer have to personally apologize to you and handcraft a special version of WP8 just for your phone and install it for you himself on his day off?



Don't like it?

Don't buy it and shut the F up.

Quit COMPLAINING. Wah wah wah wah waaaaaahhhhhhH!!!!



That's right and ALL the complaining in the world from YOU isn't going to change a thing. So SHUT UP ALREADY.

[b You cool, you rational, you post says all!!!!!!! /b]

 

[selfcreation]

really guys.... im gona have to Bring down the LAW if this keeps going.

calm down. and if you Quote/reply to some one , make sure your have a VALID argument.

:straight: Complaining about some one complaining is also complaining. :straight:
actually its trolling and against forum rules!...



ON TOPIC:

anything in telecommunication going over 3months = long term...
so MS did nothing wrong here ,, specially that 80% of current users dont care or even know what APOLLO is.....


To all the people complaining i got ONE question.....


Did you buy your WP7.5 cause you liked it or because you expected it to grow wings in 6 months?

if its cause you liked it:

you have NO reason to complain cause its gona stay the same as when you got it cause you liked it...

If you expected it to grow Wings...

I have 1 tip for you... NEVER read into rumors and if things are not certain or OFFICIALLY confirmed. then dont buy it.....

CONCLUSION:

its your own faults for being Angry and you have no one to blame but your self's.

the truth does hurt.

 

[cckgz4]

End this topic. The horse is decomposing

 

[mb-dape]

the truth does hurt.

I think you are right on spot here. People are disappointed because the truth hurts. You can have expectations even though you are not promised anything.

Its not that easy as you think, that the people who are disappointed is the problem, I would say, the problem is that they ARE disappointed and WHY.

Why did they/we get this expectations in the first place? Who gave us them? Since you asked, I will tell you my story.

In my country WP7 was released last fall, not even a year ago. In newspapers and magazines MS told us that they had to let go of WM6.5 and start something completely new, built from the ground for the future. One argument from MS I think I read a thousand times was that updates in WP7.5 would work better then Android and the phones would be much more future proof thanks to less or none fragmentation.

I knew WP7 was missing important apps and I knew the OS itself was not really mature yet, when I bought my HTC Titan some months ago.

Yeah, I blame myself. I blame myself for believing MS ad campaigns and magazine articles. I blame myself for getting hope and expectations when people like yourself have been preaching about Apollo as soon as somebody mention that WP7 has some shortcomings. Apollo will solve this, Apollo will solve that. Yeah, and you forgot to tell that you will probably have to buy a new phone too.

What is the problem with having expectations on a new smartphone? Apple has a upgrade policy which does not phase out devices and makes them incompatible within months from release. Google makes Android updates available for the OEMs for at least 18 months and devices from 2009 can still run a majority of the apps.

My friend has a HTC Desire HD, which was a Android flag ship in the end of 2010. It had 2.2 first, got upgrade to 2.3, 2.3.4 last summer, and soon it will get 4.0, almost 24 months after its release. And it will probably run most apps for another 24 months. That is how a flag ship device should be treated.

So sorry for having some expectations on my 900 $ smartphone with the "latest and greatest" OS...

 

[cckgz4]

I HIGHLY doubt the desire HD your friend has got an official ota update up to ics. For the us, windows phone 7 has been officially supported for 2 years. And again, 7.8 will continue that support. Just like Apple and them not giving certain features to the older phones, this is what is happening. What you are assuming is that there will not be any app support for 7.8 so you know what happens when you assume, right?

 

[anon(5335877)]

so you know what happens when you assume, right?

Yup, some people get angry and complain about how they're not getting WP8 when they assumed they would.

 

[cckgz4]

All anyone can do is play the wait and see game. I know if I want a wp8 device so badly because of what 7.8 is lacking, I'm selling some old hardware I have and making that my Christmas gift to me

 

[SnailUK]

My friend has a HTC Desire HD, which was a Android flag ship in the end of 2010. It had 2.2 first, got upgrade to 2.3, 2.3.4 last summer, and soon it will get 4.0, almost 24 months after its release. And it will probably run most apps for another 24 months. That is how a flag ship device should be treated.

And?

I have the HTC HD7, which is basically the same phone. I've had it for 2 years, and i've got every update for WP7 so far, and i still have the 7.8 update coming, so i'll have had just the same amount of support, app support for my phone won't dry up next week.

 

[mb-dape]

I HIGHLY doubt the desire HD your friend has got an official ota update up to ics. For the us, windows phone 7 has been officially supported for 2 years. And again, 7.8 will continue that support. Just like Apple and them not giving certain features to the older phones, this is what is happening. What you are assuming is that there will not be any app support for 7.8 so you know what happens when you assume, right?

I know you doubt it, weren't you the one who said that almost none Android phone gets updated at all? When in fact it is the opposite. Just Google for HTCs official blog and read, it will get it.

I don't care how long the WP7 OS has been supported, I am talking about device support.

Yes, I assume that, because people here have told me that if I assume that I will get anything more at all that wasn't in my phone from start, I am an idiot.

And it's not like not giving certain features to older phones, it's about phasing out brand new phones.