Lumia 735 at Expansys... anyone use it on LTE in the US?

[onlysublime]

My friend is really interested in the 735 but as we know, it's not available with a US carrier yet.

I saw it at Expansys for $299. I told her about it but she wants to make sure she can use it on LTE in the US. anyone with experience that can help me advise her?

 

[Steven Penner]

I have two on order from B&H, arriving early next week. Will post assessment using T-Mobile in Southern California afterwards. The bands B&H report the device having should work for T-Mo LTE, and I assume/hope they took that right off the box. Other sources report different bands, which won't really be that great for data (21Mbits/s at best on T-Mo if those are true).

 

[Harry Wild]

I email Expansys and got back the it will work with Sprint!

I am patiently waiting for the Central America model to be release that will work on T-Mobile and AT&T LTE!

 

[onlysublime]

I have two on order from B&H, arriving early next week. Will post assessment using T-Mobile in Southern California afterwards. The bands B&H report the device having should work for T-Mo LTE, and I assume/hope they took that right off the box. Other sources report different bands, which won't really be that great for data (21Mbits/s at best on T-Mo if those are true).

B&H is selling it too? What is their site?

Yeah, my friend would be pissed at me if it didn't work for LTE. I can't proclaim it as US LTE compatible, and then it turns out to work only on HSPA+ in the US because the frequencies are different. Yeah, she should do the research but she's not a tech person and she's going with the phone based on what she's read and my advice (she's coming from an iPhone 4S). I want her first experience with Windows Phone to be a good one.

Anyway, I think I found the site. Their northAmericaLinks.pdf says US LTE is 2, 4, 17. And the specs on that site say:

4G (LTE ) Bands:2, 4, 5, 7, 17
3.5G (HSPA+, UMTS/WCDMA ) MHz:850, 900, 1900, 2100
2.5G (EDGE, GSM/GPRS ) MHz:850, 900, 1800, 1900

So that means it's good to go for pretty much all US networks?

 

[Steven Penner]

www bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1091331-REG/nokia_a00021695_lumia_735_rm_1039_phone_bright.html

Yes, that is what the site says, but that is the only place I have seen proclaiming those bands for the 735. Their return policy says they will take them back within 30 days, which is why I felt comfortable buying them.

 

[Bleser]

I have two on order from B&H, arriving early next week. Will post assessment using T-Mobile in Southern California afterwards. The bands B&H report the device having should work for T-Mo LTE, and I assume/hope they took that right off the box. Other sources report different bands, which won't really be that great for data (21Mbits/s at best on T-Mo if those are true).

Subscribing to hear how this goes on T-Mobile. I'm about to switch to T-Mobile and am considering doing what you already did - buying two 735's from B&H. Let us know if LTE works or not! Thanks!

 

[onlysublime]

www bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1091331-REG/nokia_a00021695_lumia_735_rm_1039_phone_bright.html

Yes, that is what the site says, but that is the only place I have seen proclaiming those bands for the 735. Their return policy says they will take them back within 30 days, which is why I felt comfortable buying them.

Okay, now I'm worried. The official Lumia 735 says:

Nokia Lumia 735 Specifications - Nokia

GSM network: 850 MHz, 900 MHz, 1800 MHz, 1900 MHz
GSM max data speed DL: EGPRS 296.0 kbps
GSM max data speed UL: EGPRS 236.8 kbps
WCDMA network: Band 1 (2100 MHz), Band 5 (850 MHz), Band 8 (900 MHz)
WCDMA max data speed DL: 42.2 Mbps (Cat 24)
WCDMA max data speed UL: 5.76 Mbps (Cat 6)
LTE FDD network: Band 20 (800MHz), Band 3 (1800 MHz), Band 7 (2600 MHz)
LTE max data speed DL: 150 Mbps (Cat 4)
LTE max data speed UL: 50 Mbps (Cat 4)


The wikipedia page for T-Mobile says LTE 2, 4, 12
wiki for AT&T says LTE 2, 4, 17
Sprint says LTE 25, 26, 41
Verizon says LTE 4, 13

So it's looking like HSPA+ if you get the international 735?

 

[Fred Wilson2]

And that one will not get HSPA+ on AT&T (at least not in Tucson, I had one for a few days).
AT&T here (again, at least in Tucson, Arizona) uses Band 2 (1900) for their HSPA+ band in most areas of town. I did find a very small zone that used band 5.

Fred

Okay, now I'm worried. The official Lumia 735 says:

Nokia Lumia 735 Specifications - Nokia

GSM network: 850 MHz, 900 MHz, 1800 MHz, 1900 MHz
GSM max data speed DL: EGPRS 296.0 kbps
GSM max data speed UL: EGPRS 236.8 kbps
WCDMA network: Band 1 (2100 MHz), Band 5 (850 MHz), Band 8 (900 MHz)
WCDMA max data speed DL: 42.2 Mbps (Cat 24)
WCDMA max data speed UL: 5.76 Mbps (Cat 6)
LTE FDD network: Band 20 (800MHz), Band 3 (1800 MHz), Band 7 (2600 MHz)
LTE max data speed DL: 150 Mbps (Cat 4)
LTE max data speed UL: 50 Mbps (Cat 4)


The wikipedia page for T-Mobile says LTE 2, 4, 12
wiki for AT&T says LTE 2, 4, 17
Sprint says LTE 25, 26, 41
Verizon says LTE 4, 13

So it's looking like HSPA+ if you get the international 735?

 

[Steven Penner]

Yep, that was why I checked the return policy before I ordered mine from B&H, which is the only place I have seen those bands listed. If B&H listed incorrect info, I'll just return the 735s. Will find out hopefully tomorrow.

 

[Steven Penner]

I received my two devices from B&H today, and will head to my local T-Mobile store to get nano SIMs soon.

Here are some pics for your viewing pleasure.

 

[Harry Wild]

Steve Penner,

Does 735 work and if so; what bands? 3G, LTE, etc... I know that "voice calls" will work on any phone on T-Mobile! I am on T-Mobile too!:smile:

 

[AR2186]

I email Expansys and got back the it will work with Sprint!

I am patiently waiting for the Central America model to be release that will work on T-Mobile and AT&T LTE!

If you use Sprint do not buy any phone other than a Sprint phone. CDMA works differently than GSM, and you can not use a phone the carrier has not provisioned. Some bands might overlap, but it will never register on the network. You can only use unlocked phones on GSM carriers

 

[Bleser]

Looks promising. The box and manual seem to match what B&H stated. That would be awesome. I might pull the trigger soon. Thanks for posting and let us know how it goes!

 

[pankaj981]

Steve Penner,

Does 735 work and if so; what bands? 3G, LTE, etc... I know that "voice calls" will work on any phone on T-Mobile! I am on T-Mobile too!:smile:

Looking at the specs on the box, it would support ALL bands on T-Mobile and AT&T. So you pretty much get 3G/HSPA+ and LTE on both the carriers, even in a non-T-Mobile refarmed area....and the phone does support AWS.

 

[Harry Wild]

Looking at the specs on the box, it would support ALL bands on T-Mobile and AT&T. So you pretty much get 3G/HSPA+ and LTE on both the carriers, even in a non-T-Mobile refarmed area....and the phone does support AWS.

Looks hopefully, did a chat line with T-Mobile tech support and she said: Needs to have these frequencies before it will work!

T-Mobile needs to be on 1700/2100 MHZ(GSM) and LTE 700MHZ for band 12 new one for penetrating buildings, 1700/2100MHZ, band 4!

I am patiently waiting for the answer from Steve!

Got further details on the RM-1039:

http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_lumia_735-6639.php

General
2G Network GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900
3G Network HSDPA 850 / 900 / 1900 / 2100
4G Network LTE 800 / 1800 / 2600

There is no 1700MHZ but there is a 2100 on 3G GSM.

No idea if it will work on 3G?


So no 2G and no 4G access!

http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_lumia_925-5451.php
From the specs of the T-Mobile 925 :
HSDPA 850 / 900 / 1700 / 1900 / 2100 - RM-910, RM-893
LTE 700 / 850 / 1700 / 1900 / 2100 - RM-893

 

[wpfan2be]

Any luck with tmo?

 

[Steven Penner]

Yes, have LTE. Waiting to complete restore so I can run speedtest with a stable state and show results via pic.

To be clear, yes, I have LTE on 735 on T-Mobile in San Diego.

 

[Harry Wild]

Yes, have LTE. Waiting to complete restore so I can run speedtest with a stable state and show results via pic.

To be clear, yes, I have LTE on 735 on T-Mobile in San Diego.

That wonderful! I will wait for the full result before I order! I was going to use Expansys but I don't want to have any chance I get some other model so I might jump the gun and order before you get everything posted. I know that Wednesday is the day to order for Expansys.

Thanks again for being the frontiersman on the RM-1039!

 

[Steven Penner]

See the proof for yourselves. Please note that this is the RM-1039 version. I can't find any documentation that supports the bands that this device actually has besides what is listed on the B&H site and the product documentation that came in the box, but nonetheless it is confirmed to work on T-Mobile with LTE. Haven't tried HSPA/H+ but I assume that it will work based on the supported bands.

Just a quick assessment based on a couple of hours playing around: it is really light. It is way faster than the Lumia 521 I used personally, and not terribly slow compared to the Lumia Icon I get from work. Very happy with the upgrade so far. Since it has the same internals as the 830, I can say that $450 is more than I would want to pay for the performance and camera when I could get a 1520, 930, or Icon for just a little more. $300 is a fair price for the Lumia 735.

Let me know if you have any other questions about the device.

 

[Bleser]

Awesome. Thanks so much for posting this. Still between 1520.3 for myself and this, but definitely this for the wife.