Lumia 830 disapointment, and why it will fail

[exleper]

Agreed. I have had a 928 since launch and keep hearing of this urban legend called "Cyan". MS rollout = JV. And don't blame the carriers, they dont have as much say they want you to think.

 

[kingenu]

i can do more on ios than i can on wp8.1.1 so "overhyped" is wrong, we can't reply to texts from any apps, we got overhyped because we finally got a notification center.

whenever wp gets a feature that helps catch up to ios or android we get "overhyped".

amd first we can't compare android and ios with wp8 based on apps cos wp is younger blah blah and now you're saying we shouldn't compare them based on specs. okay then might as well bring out a lumia 935 with the same specs are the 925 in a different body and call it a flagship.

this thread is utter nonsense im sorry to say
since when is windows phone massively spec hungry that its getting compared to cheaper android phones
this is the straight looking horse situation,look at the whole deal not just specs etc
this is windows phone we are talking about,one of the most secure and best optimised os till date (so is ios but not as much as wp)
my 720 with dual core and 512mb ram doesnt lag and runs games perfectly without lag, whereas most quad core and even octa core mediatek androids lag like crazy
you can compare the 830 with a moto g but forget that its a NOKIA,Nokia stands for build quality , the best after sales in any brand till date,phenomenal battery life and cameras,updates are filled with new features unlike ios and android where each update is massively overhyped as though wp7 devices got 8.1 or something(dont mean to offend anyone but what i meant is android L and ios 8 arent really counted as major updates imho) also since windows phone is well opimtised and secure something android will probably never be,the cpu doesnt mean it performs bad
i hate when people base stuff purely off specs even though the phone is yet to release and given by previous experience i can safely conclude the 830 is going to be the best 30-series lumia(beating even the 930 im sure)

 

[vw1610]

I'm buying the 830! I use the 635 and find that it's a great phone but the camera just lets me down too often. the 830 is absolutely perfect for me!!

 

[kingenu]

i'd wait for the front camera to be review first tbh less than 1mp is ****e

 

[Geddeeee]

So, people are disappointed because the 830 doesn't have all the top end specifications (over the 930 and 1520) for the cheapest amount of money.
Get real people!!!!! I suspect this phone will run quite well. Maybe a worthy replacement for the brilliant 920??

In the words of a song, "You don't get something for nothing..."

 

[salmanahmad]

The only downfall of windows is the app gap. But still, why do all the people always focus on apps, games? Some of my family members have windows phones, even as old as Lumia 710, they're still quite happy with it. Because it at least has the basic apps for day today use. Also windows phones are good for business, not all of them buy phones by looking at the number of apps. Windows phones doesn't lag & is surely a hell lot stable as compared to Android. Talking about Lumia 830, snapdragon 400 is fine, because if Microsoft used 600 or 800, then surely the price would have increased. Its fine for a higher mid ranged phone.

We are not talking about downfalls of Windows Phone, nor comparing it with Android. It's just that everyone expected that the 830 would have a better processor than at least the 630, and that's where it failed and that is why everyone is talking about it.

Tbh the 830 can compete with the iPhone. 10mp camera vs 8mp. 720p vs almost 720p custom resolution. However the iohone 6 will probably blow this phone away.

We aren't comparing a $700 iPhone to a sub $400 device.

this thread is utter nonsense im sorry to say
since when is windows phone massively spec hungry that its getting compared to cheaper android phones
this is the straight looking horse situation,look at the whole deal not just specs etc
this is windows phone we are talking about,one of the most secure and best optimised os till date (so is ios but not as much as wp)
my 720 with dual core and 512mb ram doesnt lag and runs games perfectly without lag, whereas most quad core and even octa core mediatek androids lag like crazy
you can compare the 830 with a moto g but forget that its a NOKIA,Nokia stands for build quality , the best after sales in any brand till date,phenomenal battery life and cameras,updates are filled with new features unlike ios and android where each update is massively overhyped as though wp7 devices got 8.1 or something(dont mean to offend anyone but what i meant is android L and ios 8 arent really counted as major updates imho) also since windows phone is well opimtised and secure something android will probably never be,the cpu doesnt mean it performs bad
i hate when people base stuff purely off specs even though the phone is yet to release and given by previous experience i can safely conclude the 830 is going to be the best 30-series lumia(beating even the 930 im sure)

I would argue, but I've said this countless times before...this isn't the thread to compare Windows Phone with Android and iOS, make a separate thread about that, please.

 

[salmanahmad]

I'm going to sum this up, or at least try.

The Lumia 830 did not meet the expectations of many of us, but pretty much every mainstream OS no longer needs very powerful hardware to run the majority of apps and games.

I've never had the opportunity to use a Snapdragon 400 powered Windows Phone, however I'll say this. I used a Galaxy Grand 2 which had the same SOC, and the Snapdragon 400 powers an extremely smooth experience and even handles most games very well!

The 830 also comes with a decent camera, at least according to paper, so that is an added plus.

It may not be the phone we expected, nor the best bang for the buck device, but for those on a budget wanting some flagship features, this is the phone to buy.

 

[D M C]

this thread is utter nonsense im sorry to say
since when is windows phone massively spec hungry that its getting compared to cheaper android phones
this is the straight looking horse situation,look at the whole deal not just specs etc
this is windows phone we are talking about,one of the most secure and best optimised os till date (so is ios but not as much as wp)
my 720 with dual core and 512mb ram doesnt lag and runs games perfectly without lag, whereas most quad core and even octa core mediatek androids lag like crazy
you can compare the 830 with a moto g but forget that its a NOKIA,Nokia stands for build quality , the best after sales in any brand till date,phenomenal battery life and cameras,updates are filled with new features unlike ios and android where each update is massively overhyped as though wp7 devices got 8.1 or something(dont mean to offend anyone but what i meant is android L and ios 8 arent really counted as major updates imho) also since windows phone is well opimtised and secure something android will probably never be,the cpu doesnt mean it performs bad
i hate when people base stuff purely off specs even though the phone is yet to release and given by previous experience i can safely conclude the 830 is going to be the best 30-series lumia(beating even the 930 im sure)

About the game lag.

Have you ever play Subway Surfer, Hungry Shark Evolution, minion rush etc.

Lag all the time.

Can you bother to tell me how much subway surfer takes time to load?

Well OS isn't specs hungry but apps/games are.
Even MS official apps like Music, video, game, live lock screen run better only on powerful specs.

Motorola isn't a small brand.
It's quality is very good like Nokia even better.

Motorola is the only six sigma company among smartphone manufacturers.

And charging double amount for quality isn't much?
L830 have only better camera than moto g rest is almost same yet the price charge is double

 

[D M C]

So, people are disappointed because the 830 doesn't have all the top end specifications (over the 930 and 1520) for the cheapest amount of money.
Get real people!!!!! I suspect this phone will run quite well. Maybe a worthy replacement for the brilliant 920??

In the words of a song, "You don't get something for nothing..."

It also doesn't have latest feature like Cortana new feature.

What type of flagship offer only mid range offering not high end

 

[Aashish13]

I agree with u on the Cortana feature. but moto g quakirt doesn't come close to WP in after sales, build quality too and camera obviously. moto series have high sar value of which ppl don't know and have blindly bought moto.

 

[theefman]

I'm buying the 830! I use the 635 and find that it's a great phone but the camera just lets me down too often. the 830 is absolutely perfect for me!!

Woah, crisis averted. You sir, have single handedly saved the Lumia 830 from failure. Actually buying a phone you want and not vacillating over specs, I salute you!

 

[Keith Wallace]

I don't think the price in North America would be higher than $350 off-contract, the cost of goods across regions are usually different (see variances in Xbox One prices).

As for Qi charging, it's enabled via Qi charging shell on the Lumia 830. So even if the carrier (e.g. AT&T) doesn't support the standard itself, one can potentially gain it by buying the right accessories.

And the Lumia 830 isn't a high-end successor, it's essentially a mid-range phone with nice bells and whistles (such as PureView). I'd say the new design and HD screen are a meaningful update over the Lumia 810.

I was speaking to the on-contract price (since that's the majority of big-carrier phone sales). If the 830 is only $50-100 less than the Icon (which is $100 on-contract and could easily see a sale at $50 at some point), then when you talk about $50-100 over 2 years, the price seems worth it to go Icon.

Yes, you could get a new back plate to get the Qi replaced in the 830 on AT&T, but if the plate's $50, that kinda sucks. We also didn't hear confirmation that the plates would be sold separately, meaning you might have to buy a broken 830 for $100 or something on eBay to get the plate.

I know the 830 isn't a high-end successor, but when talking tech, it really isn't a real 810/820/822 successor, either. Every year, the replacement device comes with a new CPU and GPU to improve performance. The 830's chip doesn't seem to be a meaningful improvement (if any, and the one comparison benchmark I saw for the 820 and 830's chips favored the 820), so when every other OEM gives an SoC boost annually, it's dumb to see Microsoft pass on doing it after TWO years, and that's why I struggle to call the 830 a meaningful upgrade. It's the 820 with an arguably-uglier body (I don't care for the aluminum with the colorful back, prefer a full-plastic body), OIS, and improved display and camera resolutions. That's not a big change for 1 year, let alone 2.

 

[stephen_az]

WPCentral is one of the few sites for supposed enthusiasts where the (again) supposed enthusiasts frequently go out of their way to badmouth new product releases they have never touched. Yes, there are those who whine and complain in every forum on the internet but count the number of glorified tantrum posts in virtually every WPCentral forum. If you don't want the device then don't buy it. Beyond that all this amounts to is a rant based upon no substantive data. I honestly think Microsoft could give its products way in solid gold boxes and numerous people here would immediately complain that they didn't use platinum.

BTW, it would be nice if some of these truly brilliant market analysts would list their areas of employment, levels of education, other training, and business successes so that everyone can have a context for their insightful commentary....

 

[imnotevenhererightnow]

WPCentral is one of the few sites for supposed enthusiasts where the (again) supposed enthusiasts frequently go out of their way to badmouth new product releases they have never touched. Yes, there are those who whine and complain in every forum on the internet but count the number of glorified tantrum posts in virtually every WPCentral forum. If you don't want the device then don't buy it. Beyond that all this amounts to is a rant based upon no substantive data. I honestly think Microsoft could give its products way in solid gold boxes and numerous people here would immediately complain that they didn't use platinum.

BTW, it would be nice if some of these truly brilliant market analysts would list their areas of employment, levels of education, other training, and business successes so that everyone can have a context for their insightful commentary....

generally, i agree with you (with a couple of exceptions). First, i think that the people who care most about something are going to the first to feel disappointment (to the strongest degree) when that "something/one" doesn't live up to their expectations--even if/when those expectations are unrealistic.

Second is the more practical problem of MS calling this an affordable flagship. Had they simply used a different tagline such as "flagship experience, affordable price," then many of these folks (myself included) would be the first to give them a pass. The far less specific tag of "affordable flagship" opens the door for people to reasonably expect (at least some) flagship specifications. To put in in movie line terms: as Captain Fletcher retorts in The Outlaw Josey Wales, "don't **** down my back and tell me it's raining."

In any case, people are always going to find something to nitpick.

 

[Visa Declined]

All debating aside, the Moto G is going to out sell both of the new Lumia's by a wide margin. What people on the WPCentral forums believe to be the better device, and what the general public believes is always way different.

 

[Zachary Boddy]

Ah, here's the thread regarding the Nokia Lumia 830. I'm not going to bother reading more than the first two posts, because I don'[t see the point.
The Nokia Lumia 830 features an Optical Image Stabilization camera, 10mp with dual-tone LED flash and new software features not found in any other Nokia. You can argue all you want about the phone, and yeah a 1080p screen and a better CPU would've been nice but that camera is impressive at the price. It's the world's thinnest OIS camera in a smartphone, and it's the selling point of the entire phone.

 

[MikeSo]

All debating aside, the Moto G is going to out sell both of the new Lumia's by a wide margin. What people on the WPCentral forums believe to be the better device, and what the general public believes is always way different.

People don't buy Moto G because it's better. They buy it because it's in stores. And they need a phone. And it's cheap. And, well, it's right there. Might as well get it. And did I mention it's actually in the store, so they can buy it?

 

[theefman]

Ah, here's the thread regarding the Nokia Lumia 830. I'm not going to bother reading more than the first two posts, because I don'[t see the point.

The Nokia Lumia 830 features an Optical Image Stabilization camera, 10mp with dual-tone LED flash and new software features not found in any other Nokia. You can argue all you want about the phone, and yeah a 1080p screen and a better CPU would've been nice but that camera is impressive at the price. It's the world's thinnest OIS camera in a smartphone, and it's the selling point of the entire phone.

It will also get DNG support with Lumia camera. Quite a deal for that price.

 

[Visa Declined]

People don't buy Moto G because it's better. They buy it because it's in stores. And they need a phone. And it's cheap. And, well, it's right there. Might as well get it. And did I mention it's actually in the store, so they can buy it?

Nope, massive sales ordering it online. These links are from the first Moto G that was released.

Flipkart sells 1 million Motorola phones in 5 months - TOI Mobile | The Times of India Mobile Site

20,000 Motorola Moto G units sold out within hours of its debut in India-TechNews - IBNLive Mobile

People are buying them because they're good phones for what you pay, just like the Lumia 520

 

[Keith Wallace]

WPCentral is one of the few sites for supposed enthusiasts where the (again) supposed enthusiasts frequently go out of their way to badmouth new product releases they have never touched.

I absolutely hate these kinds of comments, where people say "you have to try it to have an opinion." Sorry, I don't. I can look at the performance of the SoC and see that I don't like it as an upgrade from the launch WP8 stuff (820/920). I don't need to stare at an 830 to know that its resolution is decreased from the 920. I don't need to touch the 830 to know that I don't like the aluminum+backplate color scheme. I don't need to test the 830 to know that I don't want to lock myself into a 2-year contract with a phone with all of these things I don't like.

In a similar vein. I have never owned an iPhone. However, I never need to own (or even try one) to know that I don't want it. It's perfectly logical, and possible, to assess something from a distance. I don't need to watch Edwin Jackson pitch to know that he's bad. Having the highest ERA in the National League among qualified starting pitchers tells me that just fine.