NoDo update pushed back!

[wheelerk]

Perhaps the reason why I can empathize with Microsoft is because I am a software developer, myself, and I have also experienced the same behavior from Nokia. But now that the proverbial milk has been spilled, what do you propose Microsoft should do? If they "promised" an update in January, should they release an update even if it's not complete (i.e. not fully tested and passed acceptance testing) and half-baked? Should they throw more resources into the mix?

Copy/paste, performance enhancements, and marketplace search tweaks sound like trivial improvements and features for you, but being on the other side, I know that is not always the case in implementation.

WP7, as it is, functions perfectly fine. Did you buy a WP7 for the promise of updates, the UI/UX, or what? If you are really stressing over a software update, then perhaps it's time to select a different OS. Just remember, the grass ain't necessarily greener on the other side.

Personally, when they just released the developer tools update, I knew that it would be AT LEAST another month before the update is released to consumers. This gives WP7 developers to update and test their apps with the new features. And if those developers encounter critical issues w/ the new developer tools, guess what...

Michael.

Nicely said, Michael. I'm an System Engineer/Integrater and we have a team of developers that on our program. So I see first hand how one tweak in one area can produce unknown results on something else. So I have seen them weighing the risk of fixing, tweaking or adding features to their products. Folks that don't work in this environment don't really understand how the process works. I agree with you that WP7 works just fine as is. I would rather M$ take their time with the updates than rush something and cause other problems. So I'm good for now. I'm not pressed, when ever the update comes is cool with me.

 

[spitothec]

What I would "like" is for a company as large as MS to atually be able to pull through on the promises they make, and release updates on a schedule that competes with their competitors. I really don't think that's asking too much, and if MS thinks that is asking too much, I think it's them that should reconsider their place in the mobile OS market. Do I want an imcomplete update? No, which is why I want the update in the first place. They shipped an unfinished, bug-ridden OS and there is no excuse in the world for them to take 4+ months to issue their first patch. This is unacceptable, and it's not really something that can be argued. No other company or OS in the world would wait 4 months to issue a single patch for an OS that's as bugged and problematic as this one. WP7, as it is, "fuctions" adequately, but it does NOT function as promised, and they to date have made ZERO efforts to get a patch of ANY sort out in a timely manner. The fact that we have to wait for this Copy/Paste update to fix simple bugs is unexplainable. Every other company releases OS updates on nearly a monthly, if not weekly basis solely for this reason, and I don't know why MS would think that their OS would be fine with a 4-6 month update schedule. It's obviously not OK, and I can't find anywhere that they're even trying to show that they care about an update schedule or any pressed timeframe updates going forward.

It's a sad, sad state that this OS is in currently, and they're showing no signs of trying to right their wrongs. It's a sad position we're in, it makes me sad because I truly do love this OS, and it shows a sad future for this OS. My only light at the end of the tunnel is that this Nokia deal will somehow put a fire under MS's *** to get some updates quicker, more frequently, and with something resembling a sense of urgency.

 

[wheelerk]

What I would "like" is for a company as large as MS to atually be able to pull through on the promises they make, and release updates on a schedule that competes with their competitors. I really don't think that's asking too much, and if MS thinks that is asking too much, I think it's them that should reconsider their place in the mobile OS market. Do I want an imcomplete update? No, which is why I want the update in the first place. They shipped an unfinished, bug-ridden OS and there is no excuse in the world for them to take 4+ months to issue their first patch. This is unacceptable, and it's not really something that can be argued. No other company or OS in the world would wait 4 months to issue a single patch for an OS that's as bugged and problematic as this one. WP7, as it is, "fuctions" adequately, but it does NOT function as promised, and they to date have made ZERO efforts to get a patch of ANY sort out in a timely manner. The fact that we have to wait for this Copy/Paste update to fix simple bugs is unexplainable. Every other company releases OS updates on nearly a monthly, if not weekly basis solely for this reason, and I don't know why MS would think that their OS would be fine with a 4-6 month update schedule. It's obviously not OK, and I can't find anywhere that they're even trying to show that they care about an update schedule or any pressed timeframe updates going forward.

It's a sad, sad state that this OS is in currently, and they're showing no signs of trying to right their wrongs. It's a sad position we're in, it makes me sad because I truly do love this OS, and it shows a sad future for this OS. My only light at the end of the tunnel is that this Nokia deal will somehow put a fire under MS's *** to get some updates quicker, more frequently, and with something resembling a sense of urgency.

If WP7 is buggy, what do you call Andriod? The others release patches more frequently because they released their OS as crap. How long did it take iPhone to get copy/paste? I believe it was 3 years. M$ anounced that it was coming even before the phone was released because they listened to their supporters. Andriod gets updates that work on some phones but not on others or they never reach other phones. I was just talking to a friend of mine who loves Andriod however, he is frustrated waiting on updates. He currently has 2.1 and is waiting on 2.2. Version 2.3 has already been released so he is already 2 updates behind. Again, M$ promised a 1st quarter update, not Feb 7th.

 

[gibbyhome]

Well sot its march, at this point I'm glad we are getting something, I just don't understand Microsoft not talking about what they are fixing in this release ? the bluetooth bugs ? that is one of my big problems, aslo audio out through the usb port so I can listen to my musc in my care like my zune player ... I was told that wp7 does not have any audio or video out through the usb that is why I can't listen to music in my kenwood BT-900 radio that supports Zune...

I am also woundering if the push back has something to do with Nokia getting into the game and getting any fixes for then incase they do get one to market before the next release of WP7 Software ...
In my opinion they shoudl have once a month bug fixes released I don't care about features evey month if my mail has a bug I would think I could get a patch within 4 weeks not YEARS......
Come on MS....

 

[gibbyhome]

Oh, yea I forgot to say that
No, I don't beleave that WP7 is buggy but every eletronic device has bugs nomatter what its is so we should see updates frequently..

 

[Michael-Dallas]

What I would "like" is for a company as large as MS to atually be able to pull through on the promises they make, and release updates on a schedule that competes with their competitors. I really don't think that's asking too much, and if MS thinks that is asking too much, I think it's them that should reconsider their place in the mobile OS market.

Unfortunately, meeting deadlines is akin to finding that mythical unicorn. If it were up to the engineers, then the software would never be released because software development is never complete. But the marketing dept and business will usually make promises and committments w/ or w/o the input of the engineering dept, and those committments usually are not easy to keep. It's just a fact of life in engineering, not just at Microsoft.

Do I want an imcomplete update? No, which is why I want the update in the first place. They shipped an unfinished, bug-ridden OS and there is no excuse in the world for them to take 4+ months to issue their first patch. This is unacceptable, and it's not really something that can be argued. No other company or OS in the world would wait 4 months to issue a single patch for an OS that's as bugged and problematic as this one. WP7, as it is, "fuctions" adequately, but it does NOT function as promised, and they to date have made ZERO efforts to get a patch of ANY sort out in a timely manner. The fact that we have to wait for this Copy/Paste update to fix simple bugs is unexplainable. Every other company releases OS updates on nearly a monthly, if not weekly basis solely for this reason, and I don't know why MS would think that their OS would be fine with a 4-6 month update schedule. It's obviously not OK, and I can't find anywhere that they're even trying to show that they care about an update schedule or any pressed timeframe updates going forward.

Bugs? Apart from the intermittent Marketplace hang/crash (which is not a show-stopper), what other bugs are there? Copy/paste is a feature (think about how long it took Apple to release it).

If you want to know the meaning of bugs, then please do get a Nokia N97. I "bricked" my N97 3 consecutive times the day I got it and was pooping bricks that my new $500 phone was completely unusable. Not only that, the GPS antenna was defective, the earpiece speaker was defective, and the camera lens cover was also defective.

It's a sad, sad state that this OS is in currently, and they're showing no signs of trying to right their wrongs. It's a sad position we're in, it makes me sad because I truly do love this OS, and it shows a sad future for this OS.

Well, like I said, you nor I know really goes on behind the closed doors at Microsoft. I have some insight because I happen to be in the industry. You can only throw so many resources at something and there's just so many hours in the day.

My only light at the end of the tunnel is that this Nokia deal will somehow put a fire under MS's *** to get some updates quicker, more frequently, and with something resembling a sense of urgency.

That's some wishful thinking and the only advice I can give is, set your expectations very low.

Michael.

 

[cdub66]

Maybe...?

Windows Phone 7 ‘NoDo’ Update Coming In ‘Early March’

 

[spitothec]

If WP7 is buggy, what do you call Andriod? The others release patches more frequently because they released their OS as crap. How long did it take iPhone to get copy/paste? I believe it was 3 years. M$ anounced that it was coming even before the phone was released because they listened to their supporters. Andriod gets updates that work on some phones but not on others or they never reach other phones. I was just talking to a friend of mine who loves Andriod however, he is frustrated waiting on updates. He currently has 2.1 and is waiting on 2.2. Version 2.3 has already been released so he is already 2 updates behind. Again, M$ promised a 1st quarter update, not Feb 7th.

Bugs? Apart from the intermittent Marketplace hang/crash (which is not a show-stopper), what other bugs are there? Copy/paste is a feature (think about how long it took Apple to release it).

I can't type a full sentence without my keyboard lagging out and missing a word.

I can't take a picture in landscape and send it in an email in portrait without rotating the phone like a monkey three or four times.

I don't know if I'm getting an SMS or an Email because the notification sounds either bug out, or play multiple, random, unassigned tones.

I press the unlock button and my screen just flashes.

I take a photo holding the phone upright and it rotates the photo sideways.

The marketplace crashes A LOT.

Songs skip at the end of about 40% of my songs, like it's 1994 and I've got scratches on my CD's.

.. and that's just off the top of my head. These are bugs that bother me DAILY, not intermittent, every once in a while bugs. Repeatedly, hour after hour, day after day bugs. The list is huge, and you two need to stop drinking whatever it is, and realize that this OS is broken. When the people that love the OS defend it instead of demanding better, why would MS even bother trying to get an update out on time? "Hey guys, push it back to March, these guys on WPCentral say there's nothing wrong."

 

[wheelerk]

I can't type a full sentence without my keyboard lagging out and missing a word.

I can't take a picture in landscape and send it in an email in portrait without rotating the phone like a monkey three or four times.

I don't know if I'm getting an SMS or an Email because the notification sounds either bug out, or play multiple, random, unassigned tones.

I press the unlock button and my screen just flashes.

I take a photo holding the phone upright and it rotates the photo sideways.

The marketplace crashes A LOT.

Songs skip at the end of about 40% of my songs, like it's 1994 and I've got scratches on my CD's.

.. and that's just off the top of my head. These are bugs that bother me DAILY, not intermittent, every once in a while bugs. Repeatedly, hour after hour, day after day bugs. The list is huge, and you two need to stop drinking whatever it is, and realize that this OS is broken. When the people that love the OS defend it instead of demanding better, why would MS even bother trying to get an update out on time? "Hey guys, push it back to March, these guys on WPCentral say there's nothing wrong."

@mgarcia...What phone are you using? It sounds like an hardware problem. How long have you had it. I would call the carrier and have them send you another. I''ve been using my Samsung Focus since Nov. 8th with Kingston 32GB Class4 SD card with none of the problems you are having. So as far as I'm concerned, WP7 is a pretty solid platform...sure there are some missing features, but they will come. Don't get it twisted, I know it isn't perfect, but it is solid. I guess when my device is working so sweet, that makes the Koolaid even sweeter. LOL...

 

[action_efn_jackson]

I'm not defending MS here just replying back with honest comments. I know there were obviously more WP7 Samsung products purchased then any of the others. But from reading various forums it seems that most issues are from users with Samsung devices. Wouldn't the issue then be device MFG more so then the OS?

I can't type a full sentence without my keyboard lagging out and missing a word.

Never an issue.

I can't take a picture in landscape and send it in an email in portrait without rotating the phone like a monkey three or four times.

Maybe I dont understand. I assume your talking about taking a picture and email it to yourself and viewing later on a PC. Because taking a picture and emailing it to yourself on your phone is pointless. I just took a picture of my sceen here at work holding the phone in land scape and emailed it to myself and viewed it in portrait no special actions or phone manipulation required. My default picture viewing software allows me to change viewing angle to what ever I desire. Is this something just do often to maybe your line of work requires you do to daily?

I don't know if I'm getting an SMS or an Email because the notification sounds either bug out, or play multiple, random, unassigned tones.

I have noticed a double SMS notification from time to time which hasn't happened seriously in so long I can not remember the last time. Emails and any other 3rd party notifications always come through with their assigned tone flawlessly.

I press the unlock button and my screen just flashes.

Never an issue.

I take a photo holding the phone upright and it rotates the photo sideways.

Never an issue.

The marketplace crashes A LOT.

This I can say I have experienced. "A lot" depends on ones usage. I do seem to have to reboot my device I woud estimate 2-3 times a week in order to resolve any marketplace crashes.

Songs skip at the end of about 40% of my songs, like it's 1994 and I've got scratches on my CD's.

Never an issue.

.. and that's just off the top of my head. These are bugs that bother me DAILY, not intermittent, every once in a while bugs. Repeatedly, hour after hour, day after day bugs. The list is huge, and you two need to stop drinking whatever it is, and realize that this OS is broken. When the people that love the OS defend it instead of demanding better, why would MS even bother trying to get an update out on time? "Hey guys, push it back to March, these guys on WPCentral say there's nothing wrong."

Call me lucky? IDK but I am excited we have an update coming next month and really hope it resolves issues people are having. Do I wish it would have come out sooner? Well heck yeah but this type of stuff takes time especially for a large corporation. If its anything like the company I work for it seems like it takes 200 people just to get 1 stupid thing done all because of processes. Corporations and processes UGH dont get me started!

 

[1jaxstate1]

MS must have a team of two working on WP7! Doesn't seem like it's getting the attention it should. I don't want to wait for major releases for annoying bug fixes! It's been months!

 

[scaramanga89]

I can't type a full sentence without my keyboard lagging out and missing a word.

I can't take a picture in landscape and send it in an email in portrait without rotating the phone like a monkey three or four times.

I don't know if I'm getting an SMS or an Email because the notification sounds either bug out, or play multiple, random, unassigned tones.

I press the unlock button and my screen just flashes.

I take a photo holding the phone upright and it rotates the photo sideways.

The marketplace crashes A LOT.

Songs skip at the end of about 40% of my songs, like it's 1994 and I've got scratches on my CD's.

.. and that's just off the top of my head. These are bugs that bother me DAILY, not intermittent, every once in a while bugs. Repeatedly, hour after hour, day after day bugs. The list is huge, and you two need to stop drinking whatever it is, and realize that this OS is broken. When the people that love the OS defend it instead of demanding better, why would MS even bother trying to get an update out on time? "Hey guys, push it back to March, these guys on WPCentral say there's nothing wrong."

I have all of these issues as well, if they aren't addressed in the nodo update then I am off back to Palm until the Pre3 arrives. I am using a HTC HD7, and I've had 2, same problems on both, it's isn't hardware.

 

[scaramanga89]

I have used a Samsung Omnia 7 as well, and had the same problems, so it isn't just HTC.

 

[cdub66]

I think I'm going to call Telus today and inquire why I haven't received an update notification. I've got all day to sit on hold, should be fun!

 

[spitothec]

I think I'm going to call Telus today and inquire why I haven't received an update notification. I've got all day to sit on hold, should be fun!

Maybe I missed something somewhere, but why do you even need/want this update?

I have all of these issues as well, if they aren't addressed in the nodo update then I am off back to Palm until the Pre3 arrives. I am using a HTC HD7, and I've had 2, same problems on both, it's isn't hardware.

Thank you. I know it's not hardware, I'm on my 2nd Focus and my gf is now on an LG Quantum and they've all shown the exact same problems. It's just broken software.

 

[cdub66]

Maybe I missed something somewhere, but why do you even need/want this update?

Oh just let me have my fun, kay?

 

[scaramanga89]

Maybe I missed something somewhere, but why do you even need/want this update?



Thank you. I know it's not hardware, I'm on my 2nd Focus and my gf is now on an LG Quantum and they've all shown the exact same problems. It's just broken software.

It's a pain, particularly as it's always OK when I just get the phone, then the problems build up with more regularity. I'm not hard resetting for another little honeymoon, it's too much hassle. It's poor software at the minute, that should not be happening.

I've also had nightmares getting ExchangeMail to work correctly with MobileMe. Plus the lack of multicalendar support is shocking, one calendar per account? Eh?? And the tile, which takes up two spaces shows a single entry? Who the **** thought that was a good idea? I could go on. But the overall feeling is of beta software, not a finished product. Most of the apps are also total balls and far too slow, this update should make a difference in that regard though.

This had better be good update, or I am off until they get it sorted. Pity, as the Metro UI is every bit as good as webOS. Andoid and iOS I have no interest in any more.

 

[cdub66]

Alrighty.

(after going away to "check with technical support").."There is no Windows Phone software update available to Telus at this time. We expect a Windows Phone software upgrade sometime in March."

That's what I got told. I'm not into arguing with people who have no power to change the outcome, so I said "thanks" and hung up.

So, there ya go!

 

[scaramanga89]

Alrighty.

(after going away to "check with technical support").."There is no Windows Phone software update available to Telus at this time. We expect a Windows Phone software upgrade sometime in March."

That's what I got told. I'm not into arguing with people who have no power to change the outcome, so I said "thanks" and hung up.

So, there ya go!

I'm the same mate, have been waiting on the "update for the update" on my HD7. I'm on O2 in the UK. Not a sound about it.

 

[CoopII]

Alrighty.

(after going away to "check with technical support").."There is no Windows Phone software update available to Telus at this time. We expect a Windows Phone software upgrade sometime in March."

That's what I got told. I'm not into arguing with people who have no power to change the outcome, so I said "thanks" and hung up.

So, there ya go!

So there we have it. Sigh I have been waiting for the update. Not so much for the update but for the full backup that is done before Zune completes the update.

Telus seems to have issues with updating products they sell.