Sometimes I feel like I just bought a Sony Betamax

[anon(6078578)]

Why not just say "Microsoft is doing Another Windows RT"...
Those of us who are stupid enough to buy a Windows phone (again) will suffer the same fate as the once who bought the Surface RT. Microsoft are clearly not focusing on their phones a tiny bit for the moment (not the hardware, not the OS (yeah, we will get that "glorious W10M someday, right...) , not the apps and not the marketing).

I predict that MS will focus 100% on being a service provider and then there is no room for "phones". They can sell as much Office service to an Android or an iPhone as for a (failing) Windows phone.

The big mistake Microsoft did, was in making Windows RT a separate version of Windows instead of following the example of iOS and Android and using Windows Phone OS, modifying it slightly to take advantage of the larger screen.

 

[Krystianpants]

Really ? Do you want to go there ? Actually MOST people care about apps, that is WHY the iPhone and Android sell more than Windows Phone.

At the rate Windows Phone is growing right now, in about 3-5 years, you will be picking from a iOS or Android device if Windows Phone does not get more apps, they wont sell more phones and Microsoft will get a huge tax write off.

Most sites work fine on IE but, some don't and their apps are better to use than their website...

Microsoft knows this and this is why your seeing the leaked app that can install Android apps to Windows Phone, because with out the major and Minor apps, Windows Phone will fail as this has been PROVEN this is what people want.

Microsoft is a large company and can be into it for a very long term but, when you keep dumping money into a project(for many years now) and it shows no major return on profit, how long does it take before you just drop the product and move on?

iOS does not sell because of its apps. It sells because it's a fashion accessory. One you have with yourself all the time. Much like a woman buys a purse that is fashionable. And because it sells apps are developed for it. People don't just decide to start developing apps for something that is not popular or has no chance of being popular. These companies initially provided their own native features/apps so that the phone could do what people needed. The apps came after the sales. Most people that I know which have iOS barely run any apps. A few games, and some specific apps they use. Mostly iMessage and social stuff. I know so many people with iOS and not a single person uses snapchat or any other bs people complain about. The stats already showed snapchat is popular amongst 14-16 year olds. And their attention span changes quickly so snapchat could just bottom out any moment.

Point is that initially it's the overall package provided that attracts people. iOS initially came with features/apps that it knew would provide the majority of services people use. It didn't have its own mapping system so it used Googles. And it was friendly with google because they know people don't just switch their e-mail address or services. They need to be introduced to the new services while still using their old. Not forced into it. It's their choice.
Ok so back to Microsoft. These guys have some awesome technology that no one really knows about. Bing maps is way better than google maps. you look at mapspreview online and it's amazing. You need to have an app that uses this technology as a default. Allow google maps as well because people will be reluctant to change. Make a freaking deal with google. It almost seems like what google is doing falls under anti-trust laws especially if Microsoft has approached them and tried to make deals.

Maps aside, they have some great apps that would make for a great starter package that would cover the majority of people. Apps would cover the rest. The problem is those apps aren't in the windows eco system. They are either on the web or on the other platforms. The windows versions are poor and very little effort seems to be made into design.

Next create a phone that is a beauty. There hasn't been a single MS/nokia phone that could be considered an artistic/fashionable design. Stop following in nokia's footsteps. There have been some really nice concept phones showed off online but knowing Microsoft it will look like a lumia 830 or something of that sort. The lumia 830 is their best looking phone in my opinion but it's still not on par with iphone 6. People like curves. It's in our nature almost. Even when we look at the female form we think of curves. The cars considered best looking are all full of curves. The monroe buildings in Canada voted as some of the best design in architecture are curvy. So stop with the freaking squarish bs! The square edges just jam into peoples' palms. Anyways, we will see what they do with the phones. The leaked phones look terrible, but then again it has been told time and time again it's a reference for engineers, so hope it ends up looking nicer.

 

[Rich215]

^^^^^^ all of that ^^^^^^ werd tu ya dirti finga !

 

[Maaz Mansori]

The way I think of it is this: I know I have a better product and just because Microsoft lost the first round of the smartphone saga does not mean they will lose the next round. Likewise, Sony lost with Betamax but won with Blu Ray. In the meantime, I'm happy with my superior product and willing to sacrifice some apps in exchange for not being part of exclusive clubs of inferior iPhone and Android.

 

[anon(6078578)]

The way I think of it is this: I know I have a better product and just because Microsoft lost the first round of the smartphone saga does not mean they will lose the next round. Likewise, Sony lost with Betamax but won with Blu Ray. In the meantime, I'm happy with my superior product and willing to sacrifice some apps in exchange for not being part of exclusive clubs of inferior iPhone and Android.

The trouble is they 'won' just as the world is starting to move away from disc formats lol

 

[Maaz Mansori]

The trouble is they 'won' just as the world is starting to move away from disc formats lol

While that's a valid point, it doesn't change the fact that they won the disc format this time around and, more importantly, Blu Ray is relevant, and HD DVD is not. Streaming is there, sure, but it doesn't help those who want to own their own media as many people have. Likewise, Windows 10 Mobile may be a niche market but it may be relevant enough that it sticks around, just like Blu Ray.

 

[Krystianpants]

The trouble is they 'won' just as the world is starting to move away from disc formats lol

Not quite. With 4k discs downloads won't be as appealing given that a lot of people have download caps.. They are already set to release a new 4k bluray player and a bunch of movies.

And Sony won because porn adopted bluray.

 

[Christopher Kendalls]

No the analogy is spot on. Good way of looking at it.