The curious case of the Surface 2

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So no one believes in Windows RT. It’s true. OEMs don’t. Consumers don’t. I don’t either. So why am I looking forward to the Surface 2? For two reasons, because Microsoft still believes in Windows RT and because I believe in buying the product that’s right for me.

OEM support for Windows RT is, as we all know, lukewarm. Some OEMs have sworn off RT while others are still in question. In fact, the only new RT tablet coming out this fall that we actually know about is the Surface 2. There’s also the rumored Nokia “Sirius” tablet but that’s only two tablets versus a flood of Windows 8 tablets that are coming out this year and next. And it’s looking like Windows 8 tablets will offer similar prices, though I expect many will offer last gen hardware in order to reach lower price points (e.g. the Acer Iconia W3 that is currently $279 at Staples).

So it will appear that the Surface 2 is already DOA, right? Perhaps, but that’s not how Microsoft sees it. The Surface 2 is an amazing piece of hardware. Tegra 4, 1080p screen, new camera tech, 4GB RAM, USB 3.0 and a sleek chassis. That’s not the sort of hardware you expect from a DOA tablet. Once again Microsoft is taking the hard road and sticking to it. I remember the last product Microsoft tried that with. It’s called Windows Phone; a market loser that Microsoft is (very) slowly turning into a powerhouse. In fact, I don’t think it’s unfair to say that Windows Phone has a superior app market when compared to Windows RT.

Microsoft giving their full support is one of the reasons why I’m confident in buying Windows RT again (I currently own a Surface RT). I believe Microsoft will find a way to carve out a niche for Windows RT. Despite Windows RT sales being close to non-existent, Windows RT apps continue to hit the store. That’s because Microsoft made the brilliant move to combine the Windows 8 and RT app store. Even better, they made it easy(ish) for developers to recompile their Windows 8 apps for ARM. That’s very good for Windows RT. Sales may be poor but apps continue to come.

Personally, I believe the “year of RT” is still a ways off. More OEMs won’t give their full-fledged support for RT until they can hit lower price points. Plus consumers won’t fully accept Windows RT until the app selection improves and RT tablets are significantly cheaper than their Windows 8 counterparts. So like I said, I think it’s going to be a while before RT really takes off, assuming it ever takes off. However, I believe in buying the product that’s right for me and thus far Windows RT appears to be that product.

I’ve been using Windows RT 8.1 since release and I can pretty confidently say that I don’t miss Windows 8 on a day-to-day basis. I have a Windows 8 Pro computer for legacy apps but most days I don’t even turn it on. RT 8.1 is fast, more streamlined, energy efficient, full Office, great peripheral support and doesn’t offer the same headaches of regular computers. Throw in Tegra 4 and devs can actually start making graphically intense RT games. It’s exactly what I need, I just think it’s going to take a long time for RT to gain any market share.

So that’s the curious case of the Surface 2. A tablet that looks DOA that somehow still has great hardware, an ever increasing app store and software support for years to come.
 
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So no one believes in Windows RT. It’s true. OEMs don’t. Consumers don’t. I don’t either. So why am I looking forward to the Surface 2? For two reasons, because Microsoft still believes in Windows RT and because I believe in buying the product that’s right for me.
I agree with your second statement in the last sentence; however, I disagree with your first statement.

I always buy a product if I believe it is right for me. However, I never buy a product simply because a certain company believes in it. There is no company that will convince me I need something just because they happen to like it. Yes, they can use their marketing skills to try to sell me a product, but I won't support any company's products unless I am convinced those products are best for me.
 

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I am in favor of OEM abandonment of Windows RT. Microsoft can own this niche and execute their plans.

I pre-ordered my Surface RT in Australia, and I'm doing it again for the Surface 2.
 

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I agree with your second statement in the last sentence; however, I disagree with your first statement.

I always buy a product if I believe it is right for me. However, I never buy a product simply because a certain company believes in it. There is no company that will convince me I need something just because they happen to like it. Yes, they can use their marketing skills to try to sell me a product, but I won't support any company's products unless I am convinced those products are best for me.
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True. For example, BlackBerry touted the greatness of the PlayBook but dropped support because of poor sales. BlackBerry claims that for technical reasons the PlayBook will never get BB10. I'm guessing it's actually a "not worth our time and effort" reason. Microsoft seems to be doing the complete opposite. There's such a huge difference between year-1 PlayBook and year-1 Surface RT. MS took a $900 million dollar write-down and gained little OEM support, but instead of killing RT Microsoft releases a massive software update, improves the hardware and creates a slew of new accessories. And while apps are slowly coming, they're still coming. It makes me a lot more confident to buy another RT tablet.
 

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True. For example, BlackBerry touted the greatness of the PlayBook but dropped support because of poor sales. BlackBerry claims that for technical reasons the PlayBook will never get BB10. I'm guessing it's actually a "not worth our time and effort" reason. Microsoft seems to be doing the complete opposite. There's such a huge difference between year-1 PlayBook and year-1 Surface RT. MS took a $900 million dollar write-down and gained little OEM support, but instead of killing RT Microsoft releases a massive software update, improves the hardware and creates a slew of new accessories. And while apps are slowly coming, they're still coming. It makes me a lot more confident to buy another RT tablet.
I think money is more a factor than anything else. Microsoft can afford to take a loss on RT, just like they did for years with Xbox until it made profits.

Blackberry didn't have the money to continue taking losses. That's why they're getting bought out.
 

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I like Surface 2 and plan to get it. So many online publications are trying to create bad spin now, but yes, Microsoft can move ahead, innovate, and gain the right kind of attention. They might even have decent plans for the phone OS.
 

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I agree, Microsoft should stick with RT. I yearn for the day when Windows Phone and Windows RT merge and there is office touch and lot more apps. I like where they are headed.

Also I just saw these two videos in a thread and I could not believe that RT was so flexible. I thought it was competing with iPad on features, but this is ahead. The only thing holding back are the app support. (Does iPad have airplay too?)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9somrcpcuF4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7FUherhyvI
 

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I like Surface 2 and plan to get it. So many online publications are trying to create bad spin now, but yes, Microsoft can move ahead, innovate, and gain the right kind of attention. They might even have decent plans for the phone OS.

You bet they are going to jump on it for good traffic. I find the link below doesn't make sense .. "if you buy Photoshop license for two years on a desktop windows then you cannot use it on Surface 2" .
The sense I get from this is I buy an iPad my life will be rosy and I can run all the software I want but surface 2 is bad because of this. WTF ..

They have facts, quotes and loss figures which sadly they use it to degrade the product completely , I don't know if they mean it and why they have a problem using it as a productive "tablet".

Microsoft's Surface 2: New tablet, same problems
 

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I have accepted that it's different today, so as long as a company makes the product I want/need, like the Surface 2 or Pro 2, I will buy it. I don't care what these people say, what they're preaching, as they don't drive my life, my world. If Surface line dies on January 2014 after I have bought mine, then fine.
 

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I agree, Microsoft should stick with RT. I yearn for the day when Windows Phone and Windows RT merge and there is office touch and lot more apps. I like where they are headed.

Also I just saw these two videos in a thread and I could not believe that RT was so flexible. I thought it was competing with iPad on features, but this is ahead. The only thing holding back are the app support. (Does iPad have airplay too?)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9somrcpcuF4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7FUherhyvI

Those videos are great and show off a lot of features that the reviews miss. Its a shame people doing the reviews don't spend enough time with the devices and instantly write them off because there "isn't an app for that"
 

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I have accepted that it's different today, so as long as a company makes the product I want/need, like the Surface 2 or Pro 2, I will buy it. I don't care what these people say, what they're preaching, as they don't drive my life, my world. If Surface line dies on January 2014 after I have bought mine, then fine.

if it dies there will be no more ecosystem and support with apps .. just saying :)
 

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Im glad OEMs dropped RT, all they did was make the OS look bad and they made garbage tablets, Microsoft needs to embrace RT for themselves....Kind of how Apples is the only one that makes the hardware and software.
 

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It is only DOA because of perception. Perception is everything.

I cannot believe what I've seen browsing through various news sites' coverage of the Surface event. They are completely biased against it. I mean, there are plenty of things they could point out that are completely fair. It is an evolutionary update, and yes, the Surface RT didn't do so well (and had some noticeable shortcomings). But the problems of the previous generation are no reason to write off Surface 2. Every change made addresses a weakness of the original model. This product has not just been upgraded, it's matured.

The second thing I see is that people don't get the form factor, or Windows RT. They complain it's not designed like other tablets but also complain that it doesn't run Windows apps as if those things make the device bad. There is a fundamental lack of understanding of what Surface is, what it does and why.
 

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So no one believes in Windows RT. It’s true. OEMs don’t. Consumers don’t. I don’t either. So why am I looking forward to the Surface 2? For two reasons, because Microsoft still believes in Windows RT and because I believe in buying the product that’s right for me.

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So that’s the curious case of the Surface 2. A tablet that looks DOA that somehow still has great hardware, an ever increasing app store and software support for years to come.




that first part, i'm not sure why they're building an RT 2.0 either.




second part, if it's the pro version, the only reason i can see folks don't want to buy it is the form factor. is anyone buying (besides the ipad 10") a tablet in that size range ? seems like a 7" pro would be the place to be looking.
 

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Im glad OEMs dropped RT, all they did was make the OS look bad and they made garbage tablets, Microsoft needs to embrace RT for themselves....Kind of how Apples is the only one that makes the hardware and software.

Well, it appears Dell will be coming out with a 2nd gen RT tablet as well, so they're not all gone. (Well, Nokia, too, but unless the deal doesn't go through, they'll be Microsoft as well eventually...)

In a way, I'd like to see Microsoft keep RT for themselves, too. The thing is, though, that if they did so (or if it happened just by all the OEMs dropping RT), then they'd have to really focus and go all-in with developing and pushing the systems. There wouldn't be 3rd parties to hinder, but there wouldn't be 3rd parties to help (by trying different form factors or pricepoints) either.
 

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Well, it appears Dell will be coming out with a 2nd gen RT tablet as well, so they're not all gone. (Well, Nokia, too, but unless the deal doesn't go through, they'll be Microsoft as well eventually...)

In a way, I'd like to see Microsoft keep RT for themselves, too. The thing is, though, that if they did so (or if it happened just by all the OEMs dropping RT), then they'd have to really focus and go all-in with developing and pushing the systems. There wouldn't be 3rd parties to hinder, but there wouldn't be 3rd parties to help (by trying different form factors or pricepoints) either.


Yeah i get what you're saying, Microsoft just needs to really focus and never EVER make another dancing commercial again :D
 

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