WC 1M Post Challenge - You Ready?!

[azcruz]

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BIDS Extensions won't install on my development machine on build 10122, thinking that there's a pending reboot. (*&^%$$#!$#@$#%$%^&*(

 

[N_LaRUE]

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All great, and I agree with everything (as I type this on my iPad Air 2), but the "infograph" I posted earlier, and my point, as it were, was about developer reach with the Windows 10 platform; the market share then, versus the market that opens up with Windows 10. Not about whether or not all the universal apps and devices work well with each other. Or not even what other platforms might have going for them.

The market outlook for developers on Windows 10 is undeniably huge. I think when the Xbox One gets Windows 10 and the unified store is when they're really going to see the growth.

My point was, on the whole about the reality of that market share. Yes Windows numbers are huge but how many of them care about universal apps? Enterprise being one of the largest buyers of Microsoft products will not upgrade to W10 any time soon. Even then most will probably disable the universal apps functionality and the Store.

I have nothing against the idea of universal apps and I think it's a great thing to have but the question remains will it help Windows Mobile with apps? Don't know. There's nothing to prove one way or the other that it will change a developers mind.

I argued about this in another thread but I'll make my point here. The question all developers are going to ask is what is the Windows Store numbers now. They'll want statistics and projections and proof of those projections. From what little I've read, very few use the Windows Store on W8.1.

One of largest group of Windows Phone users at this moment are places where the phone is their computer. The emerging markets. They don't own a PC. In what way does universal apps help these people? Or prove a viable market for Windows Mobile?

These are the questions I have. It's not being negative or anti Microsoft I'm just curious. We don't know the plan really and what little we know offers few insights.

We could all be surprised come July with some fantastic announcements but who knows?

Ignorance, there is a cure.

 

[Ed Boland]

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My point was, on the whole about the reality of that market share. Yes Windows numbers are huge but how many of them care about universal apps? Enterprise being one of the largest buyers of Microsoft products will not upgrade to W10 any time soon. Even then most will probably disable the universal apps functionality and the Store.

I have nothing against the idea of universal apps and I think it's a great thing to have but the question remains will it help Windows Mobile with apps? Don't know. There's nothing to prove one way or the other that it will change a developers mind.

I argued about this in another thread but I'll make my point here. The question all developers are going to ask is what is the Windows Store numbers now. They'll want statistics and projections and proof of those projections. From what little I've read, very few use the Windows Store on W8.1.

One of largest group of Windows Phone users at this moment are places where the phone is their computer. The emerging markets. They don't own a PC. In what way does universal apps help these people? Or prove a viable market for Windows Mobile?

These are the questions I have. It's not being negative or anti Microsoft I'm just curious. We don't know the plan really and what little we know offers few insights.

We could all be surprised come July with some fantastic announcements but who knows?

Ignorance, there is a cure.

Right. I don't think they'll have to rely on universal apps. The devs don't care which device their app/game gets installed on, but that the customer bought their product. Like you say, some people might have a phone only, or an Xbox one only. It's just that many more potential customers. The devs should be looking at the millions of Xbox owners for their new game for example, they publish it to the Windows 10 store, and it becomes available on all W10 devices. The people who have a phone only in emerging markets benefit from all the apps/games/titles coming to the store because of the Xbox.. Even if they have only the one device, and never utilize the universal functionality of the title.

 

[N_LaRUE]

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Right. I don't think they'll have to rely on universal apps. The devs don't care which device their app/game gets installed on, but that the customer bought their product. Like you say, some people might have a phone only, or an Xbox one only. It's just that many more potential customers. The devs should be looking at the millions of Xbox owners for their new game for example, they publish it to the Windows 10 store, and it becomes available on all W10 devices. The people who have a phone only in emerging markets benefit from all the apps/games/titles coming to the store because of the Xbox.. Even if they have only the one device, and never utilize the universal functionality of the title.

I get the game thing but I have trouble with other apps. If I own a PC and no other Windows/Microsoft device and never use the store because I don't need it, how does that help anything?

That's my point and I'm not alone in this. There are many more PC users out there who don't use the Store, don't own a Xbox, don't own a WP.

That's not even counting the business share of the market where all those things will likely be disabled so won't and shouldn't count in any numbers.

So yes, I get the games thing. It will probably work, but is that enough?

 

[MSFTisMIA]

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I agree with both of you. I don't think those of us in the US are the only ones who have to deal with these types of politicians either.

It's a global thing. Kinda like how 96% of doctors have terrible penmanship that only pharmacists can translate effectively.

But at least with the medical people we can put up with because they're making a difference. Many of these politicians need to be flung off a cliff, along with the brain dead constituents who elected them...

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[MSFTisMIA]

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Morning folks. So NJ trsnsitnos having some issues and I get to do the old grunt work commute - the PATH through the World Trade Center. On the plus side, I get to see the work that's being done on WTC.

I used to be down there a lot, butbthat cute girl who took good care of me at a Starbucks left and one of my favorite electronic retailers (J&R World) closed their physical stores.

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[MSFTisMIA]

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Don't look now, but I think the guy sitting to my right is gaming on an Amazon Fire Phone.

A Fire Phone in the wild? Almost as rare a sight as an honest politician...

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[MSFTisMIA]

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I get the game thing but I have trouble with other apps. If I own a PC and no other Windows/Microsoft device and never use the store because I don't need it, how does that help anything?

That's my point and I'm not alone in this. There are many more PC users out there who don't use the Store, don't own a Xbox, don't own a WP.

That's not even counting the business share of the market where all those things will likely be disabled so won't and shouldn't count in any numbers.

So yes, I get the games thing. It will probably work, but is that enough?

This is why I made the point I did earlier. MSFT cannot be going after the niche people... they have to be a force in the emerging markets and get still offer quality to the high end markets like the US and UK.

They NEED to court and openly promote indie devs like Rudy H. I would have signed agreements with the big app guys and have a few indie devs run officially supported apps. Bit as we've seen with the Pebble saga, some people don't like MSFT. They've got a lot of minds to change.

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[worldspy99]

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I agree with both of you. I don't think those of us in the US are the only ones who have to deal with these types of politicians either.

Elected judges are not much different especially in the Southern states in this country. Why this isn't fodder for the new outlets is a bit beyond my comprehension.

 

[worldspy99]

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It's a global thing. Kinda like how 96% of doctors have terrible penmanship that only pharmacists can translate effectively.

But at least with the medical people we can put up with because they're making a difference. Many of these politicians need to be flung off a cliff, along with the brain dead constituents who elected them...

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The view near the cliff would still be spectacular but the stench would be overwhelming.

 

[worldspy99]

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This is why I made the point I did earlier. MSFT cannot be going after the niche people... they have to be a force in the emerging markets and get still offer quality to the high end markets like the US and UK.

They NEED to court and openly promote indie devs like Rudy H. I would have signed agreements with the big app guys and have a few indie devs run officially supported apps. Bit as we've seen with the Pebble saga, some people don't like MSFT. They've got a lot of minds to change.

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You forgot to add Snapchat to the list of MSFT haters...

 

[MSFTisMIA]

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Elected judges are not much different especially in the Southern states in this country. Why this isn't fodder for the new outlets is a bit beyond my comprehension.

The media doesn't touch it because certain evils are tolerated to unify a nation. Nothing new to see here...

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[MSFTisMIA]

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The view near the cliff would still be spectacular but the stench would be overwhelming.

I'd beg to differ. You can get people to do the clean up work who would be happy to do so. Cliff would smell just fine...

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[MSFTisMIA]

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You forgot to add Snapchat to the list of MSFT haters...

They list is so long MSFT would have to pay me to type it up...

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[N_LaRUE]

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It's a global thing. Kinda like how 96% of doctors have terrible penmanship that only pharmacists can translate effectively.

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They use computers here in Europe...

 

[N_LaRUE]

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Elected judges are not much different especially in the Southern states in this country. Why this isn't fodder for the new outlets is a bit beyond my comprehension.

There's one judge I like a lot and what's cool about him is that he's a Republican Elected Judge but does the law right. - Judge John E. Jones III

He's absolutely fantastic. I don't say that about many people but this guy is simply that.

I don't know his whole history but he's done some great things.

 

[Ed Boland]

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They use computers here in Europe...

Same here lol, but their "digital ink" penmanship is still just as illegible.

 

[MSFTisMIA]

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They use computers here in Europe...

So do they in the US. Doesn't change the fact that most doctors have ****ty handwriting that only pharmacists and some lawyers and some assistants can read...

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[MSFTisMIA]

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Any weekend plans for folks?

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[worldspy99]

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Any weekend plans for folks?

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Oil change in the car. I run the full synthetic Mobil 1 with a 15K mile filter, so need a change about once a year.
Then might go to Hurricane Harbor - the little one has been bugging us quite a bit for some time now.
Or we might head down to the beach.
Sunday there are some IKEA plans to get some pots to plant our portable vegetable and herb garden.
That should keep me quite busy...