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What I like with the "go back to where you came from" argument I like to counter with is "I'll leave as soon as you get your *** off the stolen land here and back to Europe first."
You'll be unsurprised to hear this but, 'Speak English!' and 'Go back to where you came from!' are very popular in the UK currently.

What's worse is that a lot of those who say these things say it to people of colour. Some who were born there. What's odd about that is they thought leaving the EU would mean these people would need to leave.... Um.... Intelligence is not their strong point...

A lot of EU citizens have been told this as well. Lots have been attacked... Even if they were just on vacation....
 
You'll be unsurprised to hear this but, 'Speak English!' and 'Go back to where you came from!' are very popular in the UK currently.

What's worse is that a lot of those who say these things say it to people of colour. Some who were born there. What's odd about that is they thought leaving the EU would mean these people would need to leave.... Um.... Intelligence is not their strong point...

A lot of EU citizens have been told this as well. Lots have been attacked... Even if they were just on vacation....
Oh, the racists also love to use those two phrases here as well. Here's how you hit back against that type of :

https://fortune.com/2018/05/22/aaron-schlossberg-racist-rant-apology/

https://www.newsweek.com/burder-king-racist-video-mexico-women-1448643

It took less than 48 hours for the guy in the first link to be identified, as that happened in NYC. He instantly lost his job and his landlord moved to get him out of the building as people started protesting where he lived once he got identified. To say he was publicly shamed was an understatement.
 
You'll be unsurprised to hear this but, 'Speak English!' and 'Go back to where you came from!' are very popular in the UK currently.

What's worse is that a lot of those who say these things say it to people of colour. Some who were born there. What's odd about that is they thought leaving the EU would mean these people would need to leave.... Um.... Intelligence is not their strong point...

A lot of EU citizens have been told this as well. Lots have been attacked... Even if they were just on vacation....
Now, this is what can happen when racial slurs go too far:

https://www.foxnews.com/food-drink/popeyes-fight-body-slammed

No one wins here, especially over something so petty. Jail time, job loss, physical injury and medical expenses.
 
Racism in 'Murica is a deeply complicated issue, especially when it involves discussing the black experience. I understand the slavery experience where I grew up very well and its impact because I sought out opportunities to study it in school. I don't claim to be no expert on racism in 'Murica, but I at minimum know enough of the basics.

I'm going to get really NSFW here, so you were warned. I wished someone had cared enough to give the victims a warning before they were left floating in the breeze.

https://timeline.com/the-crisis-waco-naacp-anti-lynching-b9d235f11aa2

https://withoutsanctuary.org/

https://flashbak.com/lynching-usa-p...-blacks-were-always-the-usual-suspects-27972/

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/28/lens/echoes-of-lynchings-in-quiet-photos.html

https://timeline.com/the-crisis-waco-naacp-anti-lynching-b9d235f11aa2

Parts of the spectacle aspect of lynching can be traced Western European behavior surrounding public executions in the Middle Ages.

https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=129025516


https://www.history.co.uk/shows/britains-bloodiest-dynasty/articles/execution-in-the-middle-ages


The more distant people get from this due to the disguises of the glitz of modern society, the more comfortable they are in spewing that of "people are still living in the past when in comes to slavery". Some of the stuff I've linked here is less than 100 years old. There are people who are still alive who've seen this first hand.

The race conversation has been handled so poorly here that to call it would be a disgrace to . But again, we live in a society that says knowing your country's history is optional and you don't have to understand legacy in order to have unhealthy come out of your mouth just for the sake of free speech.
 
Now this I don't condone as it only adds fuel to the fire and reinforces why some of the racist people have certain responses:

https://patch.com/minnesota/southwe...y-beaten-stripped-outside-target-field-police

I read through the comments on the initial place I seen this. What struck me was that even in desegregation, the full picture doesn't always get told. We always see the browns going into non brown spaces got. On the flip side, you had some non browns going into brown spaces who got similar too. One of the places you saw this was the busjng experience of students during desegregation. The whole experience was uber traumatic (because people underestimated the social impact of making that shift without proper planning), and in some case, reinforced the hatred for the other one side had. It's stuff like this that needs to be processed as well in having the really healthy and transformational way to move the country forward.
 
How we got here from my original quote of why American culture is very “individual freedom” driven is a bit confusing? It’s merely that USA was founded at time protecting certain individual rights and freedoms.

I’m not saying that slavery was right or that racism doesn’t exist. Heck, that existed in Asia, Europe and other places going back to biblical times, long before the Puritans came here.

Everywhere has racism and nowhere and no one should tolerate it. The point was about why America is different regarding things like healthcare, taxes and government. That’s American culture regardless of your skin color or ethnicity. Our individual freedoms culture simply reflects some very primitive beliefs that extend across the ethnicities and races of the USA regardless.

Regardless of anything that anyone here said regarding topics not initially brought up other than individualism, good or bad for all it’s warts, demonstrates the individual freedoms that Americans expect to voice and more importantly freely have a protected right to speak and demonstrate. Whether it’s non-racist or racist ideas, speech, burning the American flag and such, people are free to do all those various things protected.... Americans, regardless, like, expect, things individualistic, with little care to what others think as long as no laws broken. It’s the interpretation of fairness, legality, cultural opinion, that create the conflict. It’s simply the fact that our culture seems to be ok with that conflict for individual reasons, selfish or selfless and everything in between. Live and let others live how they choose seems to be our motto...
 

Why do we keep going back to race? (Individualism and racism) are no more or less related than (individualism and ethnicism) or (racism and ethnicism) other than being intertwined within the fabric of every individual regardless of race or ethnicity. People of all races and ethnicities discriminate as part of human traits. It’s not right but it’s not limited to whites.

Martin Luther King JR did so much to bring two sides together. He was killed before I was born, yet he’s very inspirational to my generation. I feel we had accomplished much and still much to go but the radicals on all sides had too much to lose with harmony. It happens in all cultures and races. Look at the African, South American continents as well as Eurasia or the Middle East also.
 
How we got here from my original quote of why American culture is very “individual freedom” driven is a bit confusing? It’s merely that USA was founded at time protecting certain individual rights and freedoms.

I’m not saying that slavery was right or that racism doesn’t exist. Heck, that existed in Asia, Europe and other places going back to biblical times, long before the Puritans came here.

Everywhere has racism and nowhere and no one should tolerate it. The point was about why America is different regarding things like healthcare, taxes and government. That’s American culture regardless of your skin color or ethnicity. Our individual freedoms culture simply reflects some very primitive beliefs that extend across the ethnicities and races of the USA regardless.

Regardless of anything that anyone here said regarding topics not initially brought up other than individualism, good or bad for all it’s warts, demonstrates the individual freedoms that Americans expect to voice and more importantly freely have a protected right to speak and demonstrate. Whether it’s non-racist or racist ideas, speech, burning the American flag and such, people are free to do all those various things protected.... Americans, regardless, like, expect, things individualistic, with little care to what others think as long as no laws broken. It’s the interpretation of fairness, legality, cultural opinion, that create the conflict. It’s simply the fact that our culture seems to be ok with that conflict for individual reasons, selfish or selfless and everything in between. Live and let others live how they choose seems to be our motto...
How we got here was to show that there is more nuance behind some of the blanket statements you've consistently made.

Let me deconstruct a few things here:

"USA was founded at time certain individual rights and freedoms".

Yes it was, theoretically. But the real truth behind it was that the only individual rights and freedoms being protected by the USA founding were the rich white forefathers who economically felt they should be handling their own affairs, not the British monarchy. No brown person was prominently present in the founding of USA because we were in chattel slavery, being treated as 3/5 human by the constitution the same founding fathers wrote and as such they didn't give a **** about what we thought.

"I'm not saying that slave was right or racism doesn't exist. Heck, that existed in Asia, Europe and other places going back to biblical times, long before the Puritans came here."

Forced indentured experiences have been seen in other historical time periods. But to equate those to chattel slavery is both a slap in the face to the experiences of those people and a severe slap in the face to those who experienced chattel slavery. The only time white people experienced parts of what became chattel slavery was in its infancy - the economic parts where the system was supposed to be indentured contract work where they took poor and locked up whites abroad (Australia was one of the first colonies) to work on plantations. Contracts were usually about 4 years long. If you survived the conditions, you got paid and could either stay or go back to Europe. Eventually some discovered brown people could survive the work better and then it evolved into going into Africa and the rest is history.

What makes chattel slavery so devastating was how it evolved from the economic base into a suppressive system on a social and cultural level also. Wiped out generations, reprogrammed people both brown and non brown a certain way. Got so pervasive you can still see it in modern society.

No one says you were defending chattel slavery. It just sounds like you don't understand the depth and breadth as to how effectively devastating the experience was, especially here in America. Human history hasn't seen anything like it.

And to trying to sidestep a system that is over 400+ years old with seemingly blanket statements just gives off the vibe that you really are unfamiliar with some of the nuances that is at play here. These big boy issues that USA grapples with aren't without context, didn't show up overnight. One cannot begin to discuss these things completely without acknowledging the context and origin.

The freedoms you talk about are relative and are only protected by the laws on the books and the system of checks and balances that's being assaulted by the ilk of the commander in thief who represents ideas rooted in chattel slavery.

USA is an interconnected conundrum and a uber nuanced one for lots of reasons. That's the overarching point it seems like you're missing.
 
Why do we keep going back to race? (Individualism and racism) are no more or less related than (individualism and ethnicism) or (racism and ethnicism) other than being intertwined within the fabric of every individual regardless of race or ethnicity. People of all races and ethnicities discriminate as part of human traits. It’s not right but it’s not limited to whites.

Martin Luther King JR did so much to bring two sides together. He was killed before I was born, yet he’s very inspirational to my generation. I feel we had accomplished much and still much to go but the radicals on all sides had too much to lose with harmony. It happens in all cultures and races. Look at the African, South American continents as well as Eurasia or the Middle East also.
We come back to race because racism was a part of how this country was founded. Race cannot be avoided. The issues here are too systemic. See my most recent post.

Plus, there is a difference between racism and discrimination. A very big one. Those terms are not interchangeable, even though lots of people use them that way.
 
I'm waiting for a fix for an issue I have incoming. When I first got the S3 classic, pairing it with the Mate 20 Pro was a nightmare. Now I see their initial Android 10 breaks the pairing again. So I think I'm going to leave it on Pie for as long as I can.

Huawei always has THAT ONE little thing about them, eh?
 
I'm going to make one last comment on this chapter of the million post thread. This country was not founded on individual rights and freedom, that's white-washed history book garbage. Plantation owners in the southern colonies did not want to share and share alike since they felt that they were carrying the bigger load and wanted a bigger piece of the pie. There's a reason our first form of government was the Articles of Confederation and the subsequent failure of a state-based government.

As MIA stated, learning a country's history is crucial and I feel it should be compulsory if only a credible source could be used.
How we got here was to show that there is more nuance behind some of the blanket statements you've consistently made.

Let me deconstruct a few things here:

"USA was founded at time certain individual rights and freedoms".

Yes it was, theoretically. But the real truth behind it was that the only individual rights and freedoms being protected by the USA founding were the rich white forefathers who economically felt they should be handling their own affairs, not the British monarchy. No brown person was prominently present in the founding of USA because we were in chattel slavery, being treated as 3/5 human by the constitution the same founding fathers wrote and as such they didn't give a **** about what we thought.

"I'm not saying that slave was right or racism doesn't exist. Heck, that existed in Asia, Europe and other places going back to biblical times, long before the Puritans came here."

Forced indentured experiences have been seen in other historical time periods. But to equate those to chattel slavery is both a slap in the face to the experiences of those people and a severe slap in the face to those who experienced chattel slavery. The only time white people experienced parts of what became chattel slavery was in its infancy - the economic parts where the system was supposed to be indentured contract work where they took poor and locked up whites abroad (Australia was one of the first colonies) to work on plantations. Contracts were usually about 4 years long. If you survived the conditions, you got paid and could either stay or go back to Europe. Eventually some discovered brown people could survive the work better and then it evolved into going into Africa and the rest is history.

What makes chattel slavery so devastating was how it evolved from the economic base into a suppressive system on a social and cultural level also. Wiped out generations, reprogrammed people both brown and non brown a certain way. Got so pervasive you can still see it in modern society.

No one says you were defending chattel slavery. It just sounds like you don't understand the depth and breadth as to how effectively devastating the experience was, especially here in America. Human history hasn't seen anything like it.

And to trying to sidestep a system that is over 400+ years old with seemingly blanket statements just gives off the vibe that you really are unfamiliar with some of the nuances that is at play here. These big boy issues that USA grapples with aren't without context, didn't show up overnight. One cannot begin to discuss these things completely without acknowledging the context and origin.

The freedoms you talk about are relative and are only protected by the laws on the books and the system of checks and balances that's being assaulted by the ilk of the commander in thief who represents ideas rooted in chattel slavery.

USA is an interconnected conundrum and a uber nuanced one for lots of reasons. That's the overarching point it seems like you're missing.
 
I'm going to make one last comment on this chapter of the million post thread. This country was not founded on individual rights and freedom, that's white-washed history book garbage. Plantation owners in the southern colonies did not want to share and share alike since they felt that they were carrying the bigger load and wanted a bigger piece of the pie. There's a reason our first form of government was the Articles of Confederation and the subsequent failure of a state-based government.

As MIA stated, learning a country's history is crucial and I feel it should be compulsory if only a credible source could be used.
The whole issue of state's right continued, under the guise of an excuse for slavery, which led to the Civil War. Now we're seeing state's rights rear its ugly head again.
 
It's been the right-wing knuckle-draggers' avenue of choice to continue their assault on Roe v. Wade. How women can still support these Neanderthals is something I just can't wrap my head around.
The whole issue of state's right continued, under the guise of an excuse for slavery, which led to the Civil War. Now we're seeing state's rights rear its ugly head again.
 
It's been the right-wing knuckle-draggers' avenue of choice to continue their assault on Roe v. Wade. How women can still support these Neanderthals is something I just can't wrap my head around.
Here's an colonial analogy that might work: being in the Master's house with the job entertaining and bearing children is better than being in the house doing the laundry, cooking and cleaning or worse, being in the fields picking the crop. At least in the entertaining seat your access to means is secured. Same old mentality.
 
Since Mr. Clue has resurfaced, I'll mess with him and Rue simultaneously and talk...sports.

Looks like between Laura's Brown, my Jags and your Fins, the Fins have the best coach. They really are punching above their weight talent wise. It should be an interesting year two if they can draft well.
 

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