When will the Lumia 830 Denim update come out?

[Derausgewanderte]

Re: Lumia 830 Denim Udpate.

As is, we don't have a friggin clue how much longer we have to wait, for features that were marketed as being available when the PHONE was released, several months ago.

Make sure you vent using above links too. If you look outside WC there is not much complaining it seems.

 

[a5cent]

Re: Lumia 830 Denim Udpate.

Can you honestly blame him? They made a commitment. They did not deliver.

Yes, I can honestly blame him. Not for being disappointed that a deadline was not met. Not for being angry about the Denim situation on the 830. But for proposing that having missed the deadline by a day, makes the idea that "the update will NEVER come" a reasonable conclusion.
That is BS. That some are willing to jump onto that drama queen train rather than call the person out, is also a bit disappointing.
You can steal my six y.o. niece's candy bar and still witness a cooler head bringing more rational thought to bare than what is on display here. It's a bit pathetic.
There are legitimate reasons to be upset. That is one thing. Jumping to BS conclusions that illegitimately raise the level of whininess even further, is something else entirely.
We have more than enough hysteria already. We don't need to invent fake reasons to add more fuel to the fire.

 

[apnaadda]

Re: Lumia 830 Denim Udpate.

I hear your point and i agree that jumping to BS conclusions is pathetic. But im afraid, you're wrong here. Microsoft promised that the update would roll out first to 930 and 830. Then they said, it'd roll out early January, then late January. Similarly for the February month. I'm not mad that they failed their deadline by one day. I'm mad that they have been making false promises for a very long time now. I get the fact that they have windows 10 on their plate, which is important. But, sir, this. THIS is important too.

 

[a5cent]

Re: Lumia 830 Denim Udpate.

I hear your point and i agree that jumping to BS conclusions is pathetic. But im afraid, you're wrong here. Microsoft promised that the update would roll out first to 930 and 830. Then they said, it'd roll out early January, then late January. Similarly for the February month. I'm not mad that they failed their deadline by one day. I'm mad that they have been making false promises for a very long time now. I get the fact that they have windows 10 on their plate, which is important. But, sir, this. THIS is important too.

I'm not sure what you think I'm wrong about. Please be more specific. I made no claim that contradicts anything you've stated above. I specifically said there are some ligit reasons to be upset. I'm objecting only to adding fake reasons to that list of legitimate reasons, and artificially whipping the community into even more of a frenzy.
If people are going to disagree with me, I'd at least expect it to be over something I actually said, just as I expect outrage over MS to at least be over real issues. I hope this community is at least that mature.

 

[apnaadda]

Re: Lumia 830 Denim Udpate.

The fact that you stated that i was being 'a bit over dramatic'. And that you actually thought that they were just a day late.. I mean, I'm actually shocked how irresponsible MS is being here. First they promise that 830 comes with all the said features out of the box, then the fake promises and still we have nothing. IF this doesn't make you upset, I really don't know sir, what will.

 

[apnaadda]

Re: Lumia 830 Denim Udpate.

If people are going to disagree with me, I'd at least expect it to be over something I actually said, just as I expect outrage over MS to at least be over real issues. I hope this community is at least that mature.

And im sure, 99% of us disagree with you. But the problem is you really dont know the whole story. You would have said something, had you known the entire story *THAT THE PHONE WAS SUPPOSED TO COME WITH ALL THE SAID FEATURES OUT-OF-THE-BOX 5 EFFING MONTHS AGO*. People are mature enough here Sir, you, I'm not sure about because the way I see it, This is a real issue.

 

[slyronit]

Re: Lumia 830 Denim Udpate.

Yes. The main problem is MS lied that the 830 comes with Denim. Depending on what you call denim, this is either part truth or a lie. The 830 only comes with the updates OS 8.1 update, not the firmware update required for LC5 to work.

The bad part is,instead of rectifying this within weeks, they dragged this for months. Why this is taking so much time for India product codes, where phones are not operator bound shows more callousness from MS.

If MS had substantial market share in the US, they would have been sued by now, I am sure.

 

[a5cent]

Re: Lumia 830 Denim Udpate.

The fact that you stated that i was being 'a bit over dramatic'. And that you actually thought that they were just a day late..

Explain again why it's reasonable to lose all hope that Denim is ever coming to your L830, and then tell me again why that isn't overdramatic...

IF this doesn't make you upset, I really don't know sir, what will.

I don't remember MS ever claiming anything except 'end of February'. Do you have something to back up the claim that Denim was promised for the L830 any earlier? Either way, that is how I arrived at "one day late", but I admit I could be wrong about that, as I don't keep track of MS' press statements.
I guess the main reason I'm not upset is because my L830 received the Denim update yesterday, so I got the update within (what I understood to be) the promised time frame.
What I do find objectionable is that it wasn't made clear from the outset that our Denim is not really Denim.

 

[Vishal Kaushal]

Re: Lumia 830 Denim Udpate.

Guys chill ...it's just an update ...which will arrive sooner or later

 

[apnaadda]

Re: Lumia 830 Denim Udpate.

Explain again why it's reasonable to lose all hope that Denim is ever coming to your L830, and then tell me again why that isn't overdramatic...

What was promised to us on the day 01 hasnt been given to us even after 5 months roughly and a few fake promises. I dont understand which part of this is reasonable to you.
I dont remember them saying, ''Sir, you won't be able to use the best functions of your camera for another 5-6 months. '' when I went to purchase my phone.
And it is not about whether the denim will come to my phone or not. It is about what they claimed/promised. This is totally unprofessional

 

[a5cent]

Re: Lumia 830 Denim Udpate.

What was promised to us on the day 01 hasnt been given to us even after 5 months roughly and a few fake promises. I dont understand which part of this is reasonable to you.
I dont remember them saying, ''Sir, you won't be able to use the best functions of your camera for another 5-6 months. '' when I went to purchase my phone.
And it is not about whether the denim will come to my phone or not. It is about what they claimed/promised. This is totally unprofessional

I don't know how many times I have to say the same thing for it to register. I already agreed that it should have been made clear from the outset that the Denim on L830 devices is not actually Denim. The only point I'm disputing is this:

The hope that we'd get the update has actually vanished now.

Now you're apparently claiming the opposite, namely that "it is not about whether Denim will come to my phone or not". Since you're disagreeing with yourself, we'd probably now agree. I just wish we could have left such overdramatic nonsense out of the discussion to begin with. My point is and always has been that we shouldn't artificially whip the community into more of a frenzy than it's already in.

If 99% of this community really disagrees with me on that, then this community is in a sorry state of affairs.

 

[slivy58]

Re: Lumia 830 Denim Udpate.

Guys chill ...it's just an update ...which will arrive sooner or later

Think "sooner" no longer has any relevance in regards to the Denim update, just not understanding what has caused this update to be so fragmented and what does that mean for the next firmware/OS update, will we be looking at the same scenario or is it going to be worse.

For me Lumia Camera 5 is not the only thing I am anticipating, hoping for some enhancements/tweaks that will correct other anomalies that many have reported the 830 has so yeah it becomes annoying waiting months for a fix, can't say it will rectify every ailment I'm experiencing but won't know until I've received it.

 

[lbeezy2188]

Re: Lumia 830 Denim Udpate.

Yea just waiting to the update better camera app. But more importantly fix Netflix its been four months this is ridiculous. Also hope it fixes my search button sensitivity

 

[a5cent]

Re: Lumia 830 Denim Udpate.

For me Lumia Camera 5 is not the only thing I am anticipating, hoping for some enhancements/tweaks that will correct other anomalies that many have reported the 830 has so yeah it becomes annoying waiting months for a fix, can't say it will rectify every ailment I'm experiencing but won't know until I've received it.

What issues are you referring to? I have received the Denim update for the L830 yesterday and can test whatever you'd want me to.
Just from my casual use since yesterday the camera is the biggest difference.

Also hope it fixes my search button sensitivity

I can confirm that it also fixes the Netflix issue.

 

[slivy58]

Re: Lumia 830 Denim Udpate.

What issues are you referring to? I have received the Denim update for the L830 yesterday and can test whatever you'd want me to.
Just from my casual use since yesterday the camera is the biggest difference.

I can confirm that it also fixes the Netflix issue.

Here's my list with some being annoyances and others a hindrance, my hope is that the Denim update would at least help with 70-80% of these problems. Was expecting a tad more from the 830 but as it stands I rank my phones with the Ativ S still being my best daily driver, 1020 second and 830 taking up the rear.

1) Occasional reboots... Usually happens when an app is open, have not had a reboot whilst phone has been sitting idle or at least not that I'm aware of.

2) Screen touch sensitivity... Too sensitive on high and not sensitive enough on normal setting

3) Capacitive "back" button has poor response "sometimes"... Seems to have gotten a wee bit better after months of usage but still not comparable to my 1020, do have an iShieldz protector, installed since day one.

4) Battery performance... Will lose 4-8% overnight after being fully charged w/phone off/slow charging at times/erratic discharge rates with no apparent reasoning, tried turning this and that off with little change.

5) Altered notification sounds when phone is plugged in and charging... This doesn't happen all the time and the best way to describe it is if someone cranked an audio system to the point where the music or sound becomes distorted, in essence a "screeching" tone.

6) Screen "jitters" when exiting an app and returning to home screen... Not a total hindrance but more of an annoyance, my Ativ S and 1020 don't have this issue.

7) Connection issues... Hard to explain this one other than on too many occasions whether it is my emails, FB, WC or whatever app requires access to cellular data or WiFi I'll get notification of sorts that it "cannot connect" or "connection has failed", this is another situation that has no set pattern with me trying different settings/scenarios using my connection settings, rarely had anything of the sorts in 2 years using my Ativ S.

8) Slow shutdown... These are how my three WP compare: Ativ S: boot-up = 34sec/shutdown = 8sec,1020: boot-up = 34sec/shutdown = 8sec, 830: boot-up = 30sec/shutdown = 35sec

9) Camera button too sensitive... (probably a hardware thing)

10) Slow camera launch/photo capture... I know, Lumia Camera 5

 

[hasasimo]

Re: Lumia 830 Denim Udpate.

Here's my list with some being annoyances and others a hindrance, my hope is that the Denim update would at least help with 70-80% of these problems. Was expecting a tad more from the 830 but as it stands I rank my phones with the Ativ S still being my best daily driver, 1020 second and 830 taking up the rear.

1) Occasional reboots... Usually happens when an app is open, have not had a reboot whilst phone has been sitting idle or at least not that I'm aware of.

Does the phone freeze prior to the reboot? If so, it could be a hardware issue. I've had Lumia 830s on the exact same ROM, with one freezing/rebooting and the other not. If it just reboots occasionally with no freezing, it's the firmware and Denim should fix it. Just a heads-up.

 

[a5cent]

Re: Lumia 830 Denim Udpate.

Here's my list with some being annoyances and others a hindrance, my hope is that the Denim update would at least help with 70-80% of these problems. Was expecting a tad more from the 830 but as it stands I rank my phones with the Ativ S still being my best daily driver, 1020 second and 830 taking up the rear.

I'm afraid I won't be able to give you meaningful feedback for most of those issues, because many of them I haven't experienced myself, with or without Denim. That applies to all of these:

> 1) Occasional reboots...
> 2) Screen touch sensitivity...
> 5) Altered notification sounds when phone is plugged in and charging...
> 6) Screen "jitters" when exiting an app and returning to home screen...
> 7) Connection issues...
> 9) Camera button too sensitive... (probably a hardware thing)

To me that sounds almost like you're using a different phone (I've got an RM-984_1035).

> 4) Battery performance... Will lose 4-8% overnight after being fully charged w/phone off/slow charging at times/erratic discharge rates with no apparent reasoning, tried turning this and that off with little change.
I'll test this tonight. I assume you mean 4% - 8% discharge with the phone on standby (not off). I suspect the result will be heavily dependent on the background tasks periodically running on our devices. Have you tested once with background tasks disabled, just to see whether or not it's the background tasks that are responsible?

> 3) Capacitive "back" button has poor response "sometimes"...
This issue I'm familiar with. I also have a screen protector covering the back button, but I felt responsiveness was occasionally funky with or without it. I too only notice it "sometimes", and I need to spend more time with it to judge. So far the back button has registered every tap.

> 8) Slow shutdown... 830: boot-up = 30sec/shutdown = 35sec
Time until hardware button backlights are turned off ~ 8s

10) Slow camera launch/photo capture... I know, Lumia Camera 5
Time to launch from standby ~ 1.5s

 

[slivy58]

Re: Lumia 830 Denim Udpate.

Does the phone freeze prior to the reboot? If so, it could be a hardware issue. I've had Lumia 830s on the exact same ROM, with one freezing/rebooting and the other not. If it just reboots occasionally with no freezing, it's the firmware and Denim should fix it. Just a heads-up.

Thx hasasimo for taking the time...

Yes it freezes prior to reboot, when it suddenly becomes unresponsive it's pretty assured a reboot is imminent, it is not like a weekly occurrence and at one point I think it went 7-8 weeks before it showed up again, has happened twice since that long stretch... Can say out of them all it has been mostly while using the WC app, not sure if that means anything or not.

 

[pankaj981]

Re: Lumia 830 Denim Udpate.

Thx hasasimo for taking the time...

Yes it freezes prior to reboot, when it suddenly becomes unresponsive it's pretty assured a reboot is imminent, it is not like a weekly occurrence and at one point I think it went 7-8 weeks before it showed up again, has happened twice since that long stretch... Can say out of them all it has been mostly while using the WC app, not sure if that means anything or not.

Do you have an RM-985 variant?

 

[slivy58]

Re: Lumia 830 Denim Udpate.

Thanks for taking the time to respond a5cent,

To me that sounds almost like you're using a different phone (I've got an RM-984_1035).

My phone is the RM-985_1011 so yes it is different.

> 4) Battery performance... Will lose 4-8% overnight after being fully charged w/phone off/slow charging at times/erratic discharge rates with no apparent reasoning, tried turning this and that off with little change.
I'll test this tonight. I assume you mean 4% - 8% discharge with the phone on standby (not off). I suspect the result will be heavily dependent on the background tasks periodically running on our devices. Have you tested once with background tasks disabled, just to see whether or not it's the background tasks that are responsible?

Yes the phone is completely turned off, turning on say 8 hours later will revel the battery is showing a charge of between 92-96% with it usually being on the higher end.

> 3) Capacitive "back" button has poor response "sometimes"...
This issue I'm familiar with. I also have a screen protector covering the back button, but I felt responsiveness was occasionally funky with or without it. I too only notice it "sometimes", and I need to spend more time with it to judge. So far the back button has registered every tap.

All my devices end up being equipped w/screen protectors right of the bat and the 830 is the first to exhibit this anomaly to such an extent, like I said, it appears to have gotten somewhat better.

> 8) Slow shutdown... 830: boot-up = 30sec/shutdown = 35sec
Time until hardware button backlights are turned off ~ 8s

That is where I believe is should be in the 10s range, has always been slow shutting down since day one

10) Slow camera launch/photo capture... I know, Lumia Camera 5
Time to launch from standby ~ 1.5s

Mine is double that at 3s or so, doesn't "always" want to launch in standby either.

Just of note, I've done the soft/hard resets in the past and have never seen any sort of improvements whatsoever in the phones operation.