Windows 10 Mobile: The Beginning or the End?

[colinkiama]

For me it is, according to the title of this thread, the end. See also my post here: http://forums.windowscentral.com/windows-10-general-discussion/354545-no-need-wait-windows-10-anymore.html
With the way they decide to go and the ongoing delays in everything or painfully slow rollout of updates etc. I am disappointed. MS has to catch up a LOT and does not progress fast enough. Trying to be different (compared to competitors) is actually a good thing and might open new markets but being different ,in this scenario, is in a negative way. Windows 10 for desktop is a different thing, I'm only talking about mobile devices.
To be honest I also wonder about the majority of users here clap their hands and blindly support and embrace everything MS does. Either cos of being pretty ignorant ("it does everything a smartphone needs to do for ME") or seeing things though ******-glasses all the time and not allow any criticism about their "baby".

Ughhh maybe Microsoft has been behind for a long time but with windows 10 it seems like they have caught up or even succeeded android and ios (in some areas), I just hope the third party developers are on board.

I am annoyed that there is a slight delay for windows 10 mobile but Microsoft needs to make a perfect first impression. They take as much time as they can in optimising the OS (I just hope they finish by the end of the year)

 

[seb_r]

Well the developers is not always the one to blame. If you wanna earn money with apps and not have any extra resources for "experimental" projects like a WP app you stick to the major mobile platforms Android and iOS. Also pretty often there are limitations set by the OS itself and you cannot blame the developers: missing API's, lack of real multitasking and the awkward way of pushing notifications are just a few I also mentioned in my post linked above.
Those who willing to take a risk can also be successfull. For example Brother that supplies as the only manufacturer of printers and scanners a (free) WP app making it the first choice if you consider buying a new printer as WP owner.

Ughhh maybe Microsoft has been behind for a long time but with windows 10 it seems like they have caught up or even succeeded android and ios (in some areas), I just hope the third party developers are on board.

I am annoyed that there is a slight delay for windows 10 mobile but Microsoft needs to make a perfect first impression. They take as much time as they can in optimising the OS (I just hope they finish by the end of the year)

 

[prasath1234]

For me it is, according to the title of this thread, the end. See also my post here: http://forums.windowscentral.com/windows-10-general-discussion/354545-no-need-wait-windows-10-anymore.html
With the way they decide to go and the ongoing delays in everything or painfully slow rollout of updates etc. I am disappointed. MS has to catch up a LOT and does not progress fast enough. Trying to be different (compared to competitors) is actually a good thing and might open new markets but being different ,in this scenario, is in a negative way. Windows 10 for desktop is a different thing, I'm only talking about mobile devices.
To be honest I also wonder about the majority of users here clap their hands and blindly support and embrace everything MS does. Either cos of being pretty ignorant ("it does everything a smartphone needs to do for ME") or seeing things though ******-glasses all the time and not allow any criticism about their "baby".

Ya I agree you

 

[colinkiama]

Well the developers is not always the one to blame. If you wanna earn money with apps and not have any extra resources for "experimental" projects like a WP app you stick to the major mobile platforms Android and iOS. Also pretty often there are limitations set by the OS itself and you cannot blame the developers: missing API's, lack of real multitasking and the awkward way of pushing notifications are just a few I also mentioned in my post linked above.
Those who willing to take a risk can also be successful. For example Brother that supplies as the only manufacturer of printers and scanners a (free) WP app making it the first choice if you consider buying a new printer as WP owner.

Firstly, the problem with the lack of real multitasking is almost gone. Almost. On the tech preview, I had 15 winRT apps in the task switcher and they resumed instantly. Maybe the apps aren't that complex but you can see that they are listening (after all these years)

And the problem with printers is going to be fixed too, with the new Universal APIs. The printer API supports thousands of manufacturers and is native to the os. But you are right about the push notifications, they can be really strange at times but for now its working fine for me. And then the device issues, the 930 & 1520 was Nokia's fault, the 535 was microsoft's first phone but the 640 seems to be fine. You act as if no company but Microsoft has had manufacturing faults. There is being a ****** and them there's be supportive about the platform of your choice. I know that Android kills WP in terms of features and APIs, but I chose to stay on this platform anyway, if you are going to be such a downer, get an android or something and be grateful about software updates, some devices never even get one. Can't we just get excited about an update for once.

 

[vEEP pEEP]

I think it will turn out alright.

MS is bigger than BB. China is coming out with their own phones. Nokia mobile died.

Things are going to change.

Seriously, if WP ceased to exist, would you stop using a mobile?

MS will have a presence on any platform.

Mr. V

 

[Legoboyii]

I think it will turn out alright.

MS is bigger than BB. China is coming out with their own phones. Nokia mobile died.

Things are going to change.

Seriously, if WP ceased to exist, would you stop using a mobile?

MS will have a presence on any platform.

Mr. V

I'd just use a cheap flip phone if I couldn't get windows on my phone. But I get the drift.

 

[byobg]

But surely the "too difficult/too much time" problem is one of the roots of the "I don't care" problem, isn't it? I mean, sure, there are some who might just be downright hostile to the platform, or hate rectangles, or whatever - but generally, the "I don't care" problem is probably often more like "it's not worth the time/effort I'd have to spend to get a small number of customers."

Microsoft can't do much more to address the "small number of customers" side of that equation than they're already doing - so reducing the time/effort side is really the right play to make. I hope it works.

 

[Christopher Kendalls]

I actually want Microsoft to do this. I don't care about the future of the platform. I care about my needs right now. I didn't buy a Windows Phone because I thought that the market share would grow. I bought it because I knew that I had a solid piece of hardware and a good ecosystem if no one else released a single app and Microsoft discontinued the product.

I wasn't getting that reassurance with Android. This is the situation we're in now; Microsoft releases web apps when an official solution doesn't exist. What they're proposing would be a better implementation of those services than web apps, but still short of an official app. Developers may do this, they may not.

Microsoft may have to take the route Blackberry did, in order to give consumers the solutions they need. That isn't the end of the world. Microsoft also has resources that Blackberry does not, so this shouldn't be the final nail in the coffin. The worst that would happen, is that WP market share does not grow. A few tinkerers like myself will continue to use it for the interoperability, sophistication, and modern nature of the platform. Android and IOS have a 2003 aesthetic. Look like you're running Windows XP on a smartphone. I'll pass.

Microsoft will release or implement several new technologies with Windows 10. None of which appear to be on the horizon for Android or IOS. That counts for something. If you want to follow the crowd, use Android and IOS. But if you want the future of computing use Windows.

 

[Christopher Kendalls]

Stockholm syndrome is what you are describing. I don't have it and I'm not blindly supportive either. One thing I have noticed is that nearly all of the people criticizing this approach have little or no understanding of software development. If the MS solution had been an emulation layer for iOS or Android I would not have been supportive at all. However, tools to help developers covert their existing code to native code is a whole different beast. I would be supportive of those tools even if WP had 99% market share. There is nothing wrong with providing good tools to developers. It is a big reason why the Windows desktop platform is so successful.

Thank you. That is also the reason this failed on Blackberry, which is something that no one ever wants to talk about. Plus it was AOSP and not Google Play Store. Not officially anyway. Why no one ever makes this distinction is something I still don't understand. There is a difference between runtime and what Microsoft is proposing.

 

[Christopher Kendalls]

The problem with the article, and with a lot of these threads is provincialism. People think it is an us against them situation. That actually describes computing in the eighties, and is a major reason why the majority of those companies failed.

Every single computer ran a different OS, or a different implementation of the same OS. It wasn't until Microsoft simplified things with Windows that the framework for the era we're in now was made possible. Apple decided to go with Unix, which is where they're at now. This was with OS X. Before then, Apple was struggling with System.

Fast forward 20 years and we're in a similar situation in mobile. Apple and Google are using OS based off of Unix, at their core. Microsoft is now the odd man out, but that's really just karma from all of those years of tying in IE with Windows, introducing Active Desktop prematurely, giving us UAE and a number of other sins.

But unless they want the mobile division to suffer the same fate of some eighties tech corporation they're going to have to play well with others. People honestly think that Microsoft can just market harder, or get developers on board, or give away free stuff, or do any number of things that flies in the face of lessons history has taught us. So Android and IOS software runs on Windows Phone. So what. Before Apple reinvented themselves, they were allowing users to boot into Windows through Boot Camp. Smh.

 

[syspry]

Thank you. That is also the reason this failed on Blackberry, which is something that no one ever wants to talk about. Plus it was AOSP and not Google Play Store. Not officially anyway. Why no one ever makes this distinction is something I still don't understand. There is a difference between runtime and what Microsoft is proposing.

That runtime on BB10 was a massive failure and pretty much killed native development on BB's app store. If that wasn't bad enough on its own, Android devs were dropping android runtime apps in BB Appworld in a fire-and-forget fashion and then never returned to maintain them. The sad part of all this is that BB10 was actually very good for its time when it came out, I would even go so far as to say it was easily as good as iOS and Android back then. The problem is that Google has always moved at a damn fast pace for putting new capabilities into Android, and Apple was on the verge of doing a major overhaul of iOS, leaving BB10 falling behind again a mere few months after it went live.

3rd party android devs made it even worse for BB10. As an experiment back then I hunted down a few apps that mimicked BB's "swipe gesture UI" and hub feature and was able to pretty much approximate all of the unique features promoted for BB10 on an android phone. Even now, a new app called Kustom Live Wallpaper is turning quite a few heads with the crazy UI setups you can make with it

 

[Christopher Kendalls]

That runtime on BB10 was a massive failure and pretty much killed native development on BB's app store. If that wasn't bad enough on its own, Android devs were dropping android runtime apps in BB Appworld in a fire-and-forget fashion and then never returned to maintain them. The sad part of all this is that BB10 was actually very good for its time when it came out, I would even go so far as to say it was easily as good as iOS and Android back then. The problem is that Google has always moved at a damn fast pace for putting new capabilities into Android, and Apple was on the verge of doing a major overhaul of iOS, leaving BB10 falling behind again a mere few months after it went live.

3rd party android devs made it even worse for BB10. As an experiment back then I hunted down a few apps that mimicked BB's "swipe gesture UI" and hub feature and was able to pretty much approximate all of the unique features promoted for BB10 on an android phone. Even now, a new app called Kustom Live Wallpaper is turning quite a few heads with the crazy UI setups you can make with it

I'm really not sure why BB can't turn it around, outside of turning around the obvious mistakes they made with runtime.

A co-worker of mine has a BB 10. But he doesn't use the Android apps. He actually wants a Surface 3. I thought I could interest him in WP, but no luck.

BB used to have a tablet to sell him.

If that company, whose consumers demand high quality goods, doesn't get it together they will eventually lose them as phone customers. But they only have themselves to blame.