You’ve cheapened the entire experience” Diablo creator bemoans the current state of ARPGs and MMOs

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In a recent podcast interview, Diablo creator David Brevik shared his unfiltered thoughts on the state of modern ARPGs, critiquing their fast-paced, loot-heavy design and reminiscing about a more methodical era of gameplay.

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[fjtorres5591]

He isn't wrong.
Many so called RPGs (of all classes) are so narrative/lean and combat focused they are more arcade games than RPGs.
(Here's looking at you, Veilguard.)
It reflects poorly on the few remaining true RPGs.

 

[Hanserya]

I agree with him. I played D4 early on and was thrilled by how reminiscent the experience was of D2. Then that goofy "season of loot" dropped and I gave it up cold turkey. Haven't even thought about playing again and most likely won't be back for the DLC.

Oh well...

 

[PrydzIsBatman]

As someone who has been playing since Diablo 1. I quite enjoy most of what D4 has to offer. I absolutely despise that long grind. People should not have to be hardcore players to feel rewarded. I have put 7400 hours into D4. More than most of the player base. I have some of the worst luck... I'm also mostly a HC player. But there are people with less than HALF the hours that tend to have more than double what I have. I'm just very unlucky when it comes to drops. I like the fact that if you put in the time, you can craft most of these items. I think you should be able to do that with triple/quadruple GAs too. Or a pity system.. That would be even better honestly.

Saying all that, I can't even play PoE2.. It's way too clunky and slow paced for me. It's like D2, but modernized a little bit... The bag space? Ugh... I like progression. I want to see new and improved. I don't want to be stuck in the past. The past is the past for a reason.

The real solution is just to have 2 versions of the game. D4 and D4 Classic (for the boomers out there). All the old heads who want to grind for years can play with each other. Then everyone who likes new games can play the revamped version. You'd barely have to touch the classic one and the new one could be finer turned for today's gaming.

 

[Hanserya]

As someone who has been playing since Diablo 1. I quite enjoy most of what D4 has to offer. I absolutely despise that long grind. People should not have to be hardcore players to feel rewarded. I have put 7400 hours into D4. More than most of the player base. I have some of the worst luck... I'm also mostly a HC player. But there are people with less than HALF the hours that tend to have more than double what I have. I'm just very unlucky when it comes to drops. I like the fact that if you put in the time, you can craft most of these items. I think you should be able to do that with triple/quadruple GAs too. Or a pity system.. That would be even better honestly.

Saying all that, I can't even play PoE2.. It's way too clunky and slow paced for me. It's like D2, but modernized a little bit... The bag space? Ugh... I like progression. I want to see new and improved. I don't want to be stuck in the past. The past is the past for a reason.

The real solution is just to have 2 versions of the game. D4 and D4 Classic (for the boomers out there). All the old heads who want to grind for years can play with each other. Then everyone who likes new games can play the revamped version. You'd barely have to touch the classic one and the new one could be finer turned for today's gaming.

Games that offer casual progression without the grind are no more "modern" than open world or sandbox games are. They've been a part of the zeitgeist ever since gaming became popular in the 80's.

Ever hear of Pac Man, Space Invaders, or Tetris? How about Super Mario Bros? Or Sonic? Or Kirby? Gauntlet, anyone?

I'll never understand this desire to revise history in some weird attempt to frame others as nostalgic old people.

 

[Nooneofimportance]

Games that offer casual progression without the grind are no more "modern" than open world or sandbox games are. They've been a part of the zeitgeist ever since gaming became popular in the 80's.

Ever hear of Pac Man, Space Invaders, or Tetris? How about Super Mario Bros? Or Sonic? Or Kirby? Gauntlet, anyone?

I'll never understand this desire to revise history in some weird attempt to frame others as nostalgic old people.

Tell me you don't know what you are talking about without telling me you don't know what you are talking about !

 

[Hanserya]

Tell me you don't know what you are talking about without telling me you don't know what you are talking about !

Well, it doesn't seem like you really understand what we're talking about considering that the only response that you can muster is something that you learned from the "cool kids" over on Reddit.