08-22-2011 05:49 PM
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  1. DontHate707's Avatar
    Nokia is stepping there game and designs up to appeal to American users! the sea ray looks slick as **** like a iPod nano look idk I think the Nokia deal is good there navigation there cameras there already grip on world wide market and there hardware! Never ever have a called a Nokia phone nice but the sea ray has really changed that. The phone could be my next phone and is something Samsung or Apple couldve made imo
    07-16-2011 06:30 AM
  2. Winterfang's Avatar
    Why do people have some much faith in Nokia. They haven't made a phone that I'd buy in 10 years. We must have a lot of non US WPcentral users. I personally think the Nokia deal is going to fail.
    I agree with you, unless microsoft brings a huge marketing push it's gonna fail. Nokia is associated with crappy phones in every part of the west.

    I'm personally disappointed with all recent mango phones, the one I like the most are the fujitsu and the searay. ( I know is Nokia and it contradicts what I said but is a nice looking phone )
    07-16-2011 09:48 AM
  3. Duvi's Avatar
    I agree with you, unless microsoft brings a huge marketing push it's gonna fail. Nokia is associated with crappy phones in every part of the west.

    I'm personally disappointed with all recent mango phones, the one I like the most are the fujitsu and the searay. ( I know is Nokia and it contradicts what I said but is a nice looking phone )
    which smartphones were crappy, in respect to hardware by Nokia in the West?
    07-16-2011 12:42 PM
  4. Dave Blake's Avatar
    which smartphones were crappy, in respect to hardware by Nokia in the West?
    I would like to know that as well. My first second and third cell phones not smart phones just cell phones back in the day were all Nokias and they were tanks I beet the snot out of those phones and they always lasted.
    07-16-2011 01:35 PM
  5. Duvi's Avatar
    I would like to know that as well. My first second and third cell phones not smart phones just cell phones back in the day were all Nokias and they were tanks I beet the snot out of those phones and they always lasted.
    I had a Nokia 6682 which was considered a smartphone back then. I had some dumb phones that were Nokia and their hardware was superior and battery life was unmatched.
    07-16-2011 02:12 PM
  6. Winterfang's Avatar
    I never seen a Nokia smartphone here until the last 2 years. Everything is 8bit phones without color screens and no cameras.
    07-16-2011 06:39 PM
  7. smartpatrol's Avatar
    Your welcome. Nokia sucks. Have a good day. a person may or may not be a ***** if they use their phone to take pics and they are a true photographer. I already know which one u are.
    I'm having a hard time following your ignorant, incoherent babbling. I'll just say that I own a Nikon D3000 as well as a decent point-and-shoot. The Carl Zeiss camera in the N8 is supposedly as good as a mid-range point and shoot camera. Meaning that, if we get WP7 phones with similar cameras, that's one less device to carry around with me.
    07-16-2011 09:26 PM
  8. wolf1891's Avatar
    I would like to know that as well. My first second and third cell phones not smart phones just cell phones back in the day were all Nokias and they were tanks I beet the snot out of those phones and they always lasted.
    ditto that. I've never had any problems with the Nokia phones I had back in the day and I've never known of anyone with a Nokia who was not satisfied.
    07-16-2011 10:08 PM
  9. 1jaxstate1's Avatar
    I'm having a hard time following your ignorant, incoherent babbling. I'll just say that I own a Nikon D3000 as well as a decent point-and-shoot. The Carl Zeiss camera in the N8 is supposedly as good as a mid-range point and shoot camera. Meaning that, if we get WP7 phones with similar cameras, that's one less device to carry around with me.
    let me make it simple for you. If you are photographer and you use a camera phone, you are a *****. Can you understand that?

    FYI. Taking pics of your cats and posting them to Facebook doesn't make you a photographer.

    Sent from my Samsung Focus using Board Express

    Infraction notice coming in 5,4,3,2..
    Last edited by 1jaxstate1; 07-16-2011 at 11:00 PM.
    07-16-2011 10:31 PM
  10. Winterfang's Avatar
    Damn Jax take a chill pill man, Leave that passion for when the phone gets popular and this forum gets actually trolled =)
    07-16-2011 11:47 PM
  11. Dave Blake's Avatar
    I'm having a hard time following your ignorant, incoherent babbling. I'll just say that I own a Nikon D3000 as well as a decent point-and-shoot. The Carl Zeiss camera in the N8 is supposedly as good as a mid-range point and shoot camera. Meaning that, if we get WP7 phones with similar cameras, that's one less device to carry around with me.
    That's enough of that insulting respected members of this forums will get you an infraction and possible ban so lets stop the name calling here. Think before you post please.

    let me make it simple for you. If you are photographer and you use a camera phone, you are a *****. Can you understand that?

    FYI. Taking pics of your cats and posting them to Facebook doesn't make you a photographer.

    Sent from my Samsung Focus using Board Express

    Infraction notice coming in 5,4,3,2..
    First a public warning then you can start the count down.

    Dave
    07-16-2011 11:53 PM
  12. 1jaxstate1's Avatar
    Lol. I'm actually just BS'n with the guy. Not really serious at all. ;)

    Sent from my Samsung Focus using Board Express
    07-17-2011 12:07 AM
  13. Luisraul924's Avatar
    Well I can understand where sharksandwich is coming from, I mean, if we can add a camera in (a real high quality camera) to the mix that's one less device we have to carry around. I understand these things take time, like the evolution of the smartphone, it took a while before PDA's were fully integrated with a cell radio in such a way that was effective enough to stop carrying both a cell phone and a PDA. For some reason though I feel the incorporation of high end camera technology is taking longer than anything else that's been "thrown in the mix" so to speak. It can be done, I know it can, the end result of a cameras purpose ends up being that "picture of your cat" for Facebook, or at the very most a portrait photo that is printed using a photo printer using 8"-11" photo paper to put on a little table or hang up in the hallway somewhere. Regardless of which though, the end result can be achieved (with quality) by a camera similar to the one on the Nokia N8. If more OEMs could use higher quality optics (I'm looking at HTC on this one, I hear Samsung uses passable camera sensors) the full integration of cameras could be achieved with a smartphone. A "true" photographer would much rather use a dedicated DSLR or something to that effect but as I said "most cases" people want their pictures for the aforementioned reasons, in the rare instance that someone wants to make a 4'-3' poster for some odd reason or another, then they can get themselves a dedicated camera. I just think it would be nice to start having higher end cameras in smartphones to finally eliminate the need for a dedicated camera (again except for the rare case that you need to make a poster)
    07-17-2011 12:13 AM
  14. Luisraul924's Avatar
    Oh yeah and I had a Nokia dumbphone back when Nokia was still in the American scene and that **** was ****in solid. As for their smartphones I've never owned one but I've heard their quality has only increased since back then.
    07-17-2011 12:18 AM
  15. Dave Blake's Avatar
    You guys and your thread crapping this thread is so far off topic it pushing my OCD button, o_O well at least we are still talking about smart phones... carry on... lol
    07-17-2011 12:25 AM
  16. Duvi's Avatar
    To keep it on topic... HTC's optical's suck, so I don't expect much from the Eternity (if true).

    Now... back to business. In my case, if my son sees that I'm taking a pic of him, he usually tries to hide or block me from taking the pic. Having a good quality camera (in my Focus and my i4), it allows me to pretend like I'm using the device and still get an awesome pic. Even when he's okay with it, I rather take pictures of him doing what he normally does... it comes out a lot better.
    07-17-2011 05:42 PM
  17. Winterfang's Avatar
    Why can't you pretend with the HTC device? Does it send an alarm when the camera is on? I can't wait for Mango so I can take pictures without pressing the button. The cover I have, makes it almost impossible to press the damn button.
    07-17-2011 08:35 PM
  18. Duvi's Avatar
    Why can't you pretend with the HTC device? Does it send an alarm when the camera is on? I can't wait for Mango so I can take pictures without pressing the button. The cover I have, makes it almost impossible to press the damn button.
    The HTC cameras suck! It's worse because he's not still like an inanimate object. I've tried it with my Inspire 4G and now my EVO 3D, both below average shots. It works well with my Focus, Nexus S 4G and iPhone 4.

    So my point is... I would love the best optics I can have on a device, alongside the other awesome specs.
    07-17-2011 11:09 PM
  19. altoids2011's Avatar
    There really is no way getting around it. HTC has a lot of merits, but camera quality is not one of them. They probably have the worst quality cameras available on any high-end smartphone right now. Saying the camera is useless or inconsequential is pretty much a minority opinion. The trend has been for better cameras each and every generation and they are vital selling points, or HTC would not care to up the pixel count to 8MP in their spec sheets even if they don't actually have capable optics to match. The FLIP line of handheld cameras have been discontinued because cellphones have cannibalized their sales. Average consumers are gonna choose the phone with the better camera, for twitpic-ing, youtube uploading, facebook galleries, saving memories, etc. regardless of whether it is DSLR quality or not. The closer, the better. The obvious gold standard is the iPhone, which raises the bar that every other company has to meet or surpass, since they drive pop culture and everyone will want a camera at least as good as an iPhone's. The internet may rage about how much the iPhone sucks, but not a lot of phones can actually match many aspects of it, especially the camera. I'm not sure any flagship HTC phones like the Sensation can even match 3GS quality pictures. The Nokia N8 and large sensor be damned.

    For those that don't have short term memories, Nokia was popular in the US during the candy bar era. Their phones really were built like tanks. It was one of the most popular brands. Then for some reason they started to die off. There were a lot of cool phones, but they were overseas only. To be truthful, I had sworn off Nokia several years back because of their bad build quality in their phones, especially higher-midrange and high-end ones I ebayed from overseas. The 6233 was cheap and falling apart. The N73 was cheap. N95 was cheap. Pretty much most of their high-end N series phones were cheap shiny plastic, not even the nice kind of plastic. Kind of odd when their midrange S40 phones had stainless steel and aluminum builds. I'm over it though. The W9 looks like a quality product with the unibody design and polycarbonate, fully colored through premium plastic. Leaked videos and images already prove the camera up to Nokia standards. Even comparable to the N8 most of the time. That's good, because the N8 runs Symbian and I think it is one of the ugliest phones imaginable. The recently released X7 is pretty ugly too...

    Oh umm...I'm not being off topic! The Eternity...err....has a bigger screen than my 4.5" Infuse and thus is too big for me. Not for usability, but for pocketability. There's also a range of screen sizes, pretty much where all cellphones fall into, where the browser experience doesn't vary that much even with a bigger screen. I had a 3.3" phone before, and the 4.5" Infuse isn't that big of a leap to be honest. It's still hard to read. The distance I hold the phone from my face might be different between the two, but they are both within the high focus eyestrain zone. So I'd choose pocketability and ergonomics more in this case.
    08-01-2011 01:18 PM
  20. Useraid's Avatar
    It is all a matter of what standards meet your requirements. Some photographers would find anything under a high range SLR unacceptable for their work, some people can't even see the difference between a disposable camera and a hassleblad probably ;).

    A mobile phone will never replace a proper camera in terms of quality and features, just as a point and shoot could never usurp an SLR for the same reasons. But maybe the quality is good enough for their needs/perceptions of quality already in scenarios involving higher quality phone lenses.
    08-02-2011 09:20 PM
  21. smartpatrol's Avatar
    A smartphone will never replace a DSLR camera, but it could definitely replace a point-and-shoot. That was my whole point when I brought up the whole Carl Zeiss thing. I would LOVE to get rid of my point-and-shoot entirely and replace it with a smartphone. Nokia's smartphones are the only ones that have cameras good enough for that, IMO.

    I also own a good DSLR and would never dream of replacing that with a smartphone.
    08-03-2011 08:39 AM
  22. Winterfang's Avatar
    Know that the Fujitsu Windows Phone exist I need all my smartphones to be waterproof.
    08-03-2011 09:10 AM
  23. Dusteater's Avatar
    Well it seems there is some confusion with the HTC Eternity. It was originally reported to be a 4.7" screen device, but now BGR is saying it is 3.7".

    HTC Sept 1st event to feature Windows Phone devices: Eternity, Omega

    Wonder what the other specs turn out to be, but I think it is safe to say that what we thought it was isn't what it is.
    08-22-2011 05:49 PM
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