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  1. jay_max's Avatar
    Is the Cerulean going to be certified for Band 12 VOLTE/e911 on T-Mobile? If not, it will be close to useless on that network. It would be nice if that question would get answered. Otherwise, I wouldn't even consider purchasing.
    04-05-2017 11:54 AM
  2. Johnathan Dalipsingh's Avatar
    I'm not seeing the knight options... someone link it please
    04-05-2017 11:55 AM
  3. Johnathan Dalipsingh's Avatar
    Really pulling for them to succeed as the community desperately needs them to, but the price point doesn't make a lot of sense given the specs and available networks. Can get new 950 for about the same cost without having to wait several months.

    I'd be much more likely to pledge $700 for a premium phone. I understand that's not the model they're going after right now, but unfortunately for me (and I'm guessing most people that own a 950 or better) there's really not a lot of appeal.
    I told a rep that same thing on their facebook page and they told me that those phones(950) 'are' discontinued. What a joke, these phone still have support. I don't know where they are getting their info, additionally, I told them to convince me to buy this phone over the Moto G5 Plus which is $230 unlocked and brand new on amazon.com with slightly better specs, they never replied, I guess they said to themselves that I am not worth convincing, but I think it is a sign of what is to come with these guys. I could be wrong though.
    04-05-2017 12:03 PM
  4. GhostEchelon's Avatar
    I have a Lumia 950 that by far better then what they offer as a "Windows phone for fans" they could of at least made one identical in terms of specs of the XL. Then I could see people wanting the phone. Or slap in a 820 Snapdragon.
    04-05-2017 12:14 PM
  5. anthonyng's Avatar
    @Johnathan Dalipsingh You're not being asked to pledge for a good deal phone. Windows fans are asked to help to give this company a chance to show us what it can do for the next device/ecosystem.

    You get maybe a phone or just warm fuzzy feelings depending what amount you support if the company survives.
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    04-05-2017 12:58 PM
  6. Travis Flenker's Avatar
    @Johnathan Dalipsingh You're not being asked to pledge for a good deal phone. Windows fans are asked to help to give this company a chance to show us what it can do for the next device/ecosystem.

    You get maybe a phone or just warm fuzzy feelings depending what amount you support if the company survives.
    I guess that's the issue. There's no competitive advantage. This phone does next to nothing to attract new/returning W10 users, and nearly anyone that wants a W10 phone already has one that's as good/close enough or far better so it's not really much of an upgrade option.

    Granted, I'm no marketing guru and not claiming to know everything, but product success generally comes from offering a lower price point for roughly the same quality, or innovation/top end product. Price point is obviously not the focus here, and the only innovation we are aware of are some vague hints of what could possibly be done in the future.

    What are the "disruptive technologies" they speak of on their website? Everything touted as unique/innovated is just stuff about the OS.

    If this is a stopgap solution to stay afloat whilst they work on the "real" phone, I would be much more inclined to help their cause if there was some sort of indication on what that is and why it's worth believing in the cause.
    04-05-2017 01:42 PM
  7. to_be_announced's Avatar
    Sad that it won't work on Verizon.
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    04-05-2017 01:45 PM
  8. RumoredNow's Avatar
    How much is the discount for knights? Any way to get an email without having signed up before? Thanks
    I'm not seeing the knight options... someone link it please
    I guess it is no major secret... The Knight pledge is $280 or $10 less than early adopters which are at $290 and there are 750 slots for that. Of the 2000 #CeruleanKnight slots, I have no idea how many are extra (not sent out as invites already) and only @mistagreg or his fellow staff at Wharton Brooks can address that or assign those slots.


    I'm not understanding what is so great about this device. Doesn't seem like there is anything groundbreaking being offered here. They are not living up to their own hype.
    What is great, to me, is the idea behind the device. The article by @Jason Ward makes it clear that Continuum is the groundbreaking element oft referred to at least in part. But there is still one more item left in reserve that has yet to be revealed. Some sort of consumer facing app or service that will be integrated. IDK what it is and can only guess (I have a theory of what class it might belong to, but don't want to say right now).

    The phone is what it is. I've not said the phone is groundbreaking. But I do think it represents good value and power for the $ considering the state of our market and the relatively small initial production run that will be made. Do I need this phone? Not really, but I want it in the worst way for what it represents. Another choice for the platform I prefer and use daily. A chance to see something start out and grow that could eventually do great things for the user base. A company run by a professed fan who seems to have a better grasp on what we as a market really want than any of the large makers left in this space.

    Before the counterstrike of: if Cerulean understood what the fans want this phone would have been better/had x, y, z features I want to say... OK, then go do it yourself. I'll support that too. I feel they've done a good job representing what I hear people on the forum asking for in large number. Sub $300, Continuum, RAM, storage, etc. By all that is holy what do people expect? Honestly, the laundry lists of spec desired at low prices is unrealistic to say the least and it turns makers off to this platform and ruins the ones that at least try.

    Does noone recognize cause and effect?

    I'm not a hypocrite. I don't say I support the platform then pick apart whatever anyone offers. I've tried 3rd party phones in the past: BLU twice, Moly once and Alcatel once. And 3rd party is what we have now. If a Surface Mobile emerges I probably won't buy one due to price. It's why I haven't bought a Surface 2-in-1. But I see the reference value and I hope a Surface Mobile does the same as the 2-in-1 to help proliferate the tech and that it revitalizes W10M. Let's face it. Full Windows on Mobile will be expensive for at least 3 gens out and W10M still has a place in consumer utilization at the low and mid tiers. We need MORE players not FEWER. How is this stuff not clear?

    I'm happy with the value the phone represents. At $300 for an SD 617 with 32GB internal, 3GB RAM, 13MP shooter and a free ScreenBeam thrown in we are ahead of NuAns and any other Coship models whether rebadged or run as Moly brand. It meets the realistically achievable test for me. It represents good value for the money. Don't start throwing Android in. Stick to this platform for your pricing comparisons or it is not legitimate. They pump out way more little green robots so they get their parts cheaper and sit higher up on the supply chains for faster delivery.

    I'm ecstatic with Wharton Brooks, Cerulean and Greg Murphy for what they are espousing and how they are following up on it as best they are able - DESPITE the uphill battle with the industry, the press and even (gods help us) the so called "fans."


    As for hype... Show me the courage, show me the magic in an iPhone. Show me. These are impossible intangibles for a phone to have. Yet Apple trumpets the magic and courage and few blink an eye. They sell tens of millions of them every quarter. Who is demanding to see the Leprechauns that fought and died so iPhone can live?

    Are we having a reasonable disagreement or are are we nit-picking? I see a lot of nit-picking and it is making me unreasonable in turn. I feel like I'm fighting on behalf of a majority that doesn't care, even though many of them post daily about how much they do.

    If you don't have the $300 to spare, nobody can blame you. If you don't have $5 to donate, then I feel for you as I've been there too at times in my life. But if $5 won't hurt you and you still feel it is too much for you to contribute to the possibility of something growing that could benefit you down the road... What else can I say except remeber the ages old adage...

    You've made your own bed, now lie in it.
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    04-05-2017 01:47 PM
  9. RumoredNow's Avatar
    Is the Cerulean going to be certified for Band 12 VOLTE/e911 on T-Mobile? If not, it will be close to useless on that network. It would be nice if that question would get answered. Otherwise, I wouldn't even consider purchasing.
    I've submitted this as a question and am waiting to hear on: T-Mo VoLTE, 2G radio and USB Dual Role via the microUSB connector...
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    04-05-2017 01:55 PM
  10. RumoredNow's Avatar
    ...product success generally comes from offering a lower price point for roughly the same quality, or innovation/top end product.
    Again, comparing the value for price against Android is not realistic. Android makers pump out way more so they get better parts prices and faster supply for 1st gen parts. It never was at parity when comparing same spec per $ + current gen parts release with Android vs WP. Android was always less $ and launched new gen faster, why would this change for the Cerulean Moment?

    In terms of Windows on Mobile you have to look at MSRP on release. Show me a Continuum capable phone that was less $$$ ON RELEASE. I want to see that as I missed that unicorn sighting.

    Here's my list of Continuum enabled devices and price at launch. Did I miss any?
    • HP Elite X3 - MSRP on release = ~$800
    • Lumia 950 XL - MSRP on release = ~$650
    • Acer Liquid Jade Primo - MSRP on release = ~$650
    • Lumia 950 - MSRP on release = ~$550
    • Alcatel Idol 4S Windows - MSRP on release = ~$470
    • Mouse Computer Madosma Q601 - MSRP ~$450
    • NuAns Neo - MSRP on release = ~$420
    • Funker W6.0 Pro2 - MSRP on release = ~$410
    • Coship Moly PCphone - MSRP on release = N/A as it never released, but based on Madosma and Funker rebadgings it would have been ~$400 or more
    • Cerulean Moment - MSRP on release = ~$300
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    04-05-2017 02:31 PM
  11. RumoredNow's Avatar
    I told a rep that same thing on their facebook page and they told me that those phones(950) 'are' discontinued. What a joke, these phone still have support. I don't know where they are getting their info
    Lumia 950 and 950 XL are out of production and so are their parts. Support has been shunted to one sanctioned 3rd party run from Germany.
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    04-05-2017 02:33 PM
  12. RumoredNow's Avatar
    Sad that it won't work on Verizon.
    It is sad. They want to be there, but it cost $$$ they don't have right now. If they can get off the ground, Vzw for this and/or the next phone is not off the table.

    Please consider donating $5 or whatever you feel is fair to give this company the chance in future to fight for Vzw entrance.
    04-05-2017 02:35 PM
  13. Travis Flenker's Avatar
    As for hype... Show me the courage, show me the magic in an iPhone. Show me. These are impossible intangibles for a phone to have. Yet Apple trumpets the magic and courage and few blink an eye. They sell tens of millions of them every quarter. Who is demanding to see the Leprechauns that fought and died so iPhone can live?
    Part of the issue could be that most here don't tend to buy into sheer hype and actually want some substance. Huge companies have offered mediocre phones with legitimately unique (though largely useless) features and failed. Thinking specifically of the Fire Phone.

    At best we can buy into the dream that Cerulean will someday change the tides. I'm all for that, and I sincerely hope they succeed... but until I see something offered that's truly advantageous (even if it's not something we can use ourselves until far in the future), I don't know what dream there is to buy into.

    It seems like they're putting the cart before the horse. If the app/whatever they're working on is a legitimate gamechanger and does differentiate them from the pack, that should be front and center... not a white label phone.
    04-05-2017 02:39 PM
  14. JaiGupta's Avatar
    Lumia 950 is gonna lose support soon enough. Think twice
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    04-05-2017 02:46 PM
  15. RumoredNow's Avatar
    22 Knights have Pledged...

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    Get out there #CeruleanKnights and carry the fight to make this happen.
    04-05-2017 02:52 PM
  16. Travis Flenker's Avatar
    Again, comparing the value for price against Android is not realistic. Android makers pump out way more so they get better parts prices and faster supply for 1st gen parts. It never was at parity when comparing same spec per $ + current gen parts release with Android vs WP. Android was always less $ and launched new gen faster, why would this change for the Cerulean Moment?

    In terms of Windows on Mobile you have to look at MSRP on release. Show me a Continuum capable phone that was less $$$ ON RELEASE. I want to see that as I missed that unicorn sighting.

    Here's my list of Continuum enabled devices and price at launch. Did I miss any?
    • HP Elite X3 - MSRP on release = ~$800
    • Lumia 950 XL - MSRP on release = ~$650
    • Acer Liquid Jade Primo - MSRP on release = ~$650
    • Lumia 950 - MSRP on release = ~$550
    • Alcatel Idol 4S Windows - MSRP on release = ~$470
    • Mouse Computer Madosma Q601 - MSRP ~$450
    • NuAns Neo - MSRP on release = ~$420
    • Funker W6.0 Pro2 - MSRP on release = ~$410
    • Coship Moly PCphone - MSRP on release = N/A as it never released, but based on Madosma and Funker rebadgings it would have been ~$400 or more
    • Cerulean Moment - MSRP on release = ~$300
    I'm not comparing against Android. I'm comparing against the 950.

    Why would we compare prices at launch day? I don't know of any instance of anything where in the real world someone would make a purchasing decision based on that.

    I know there are economies of scale etc that factor in, but the point is that today you can buy a better Windows phone for about the same price. Sure, the 950/XL may be out of production, but I'm guessing there are far more than 3-4k of them new and available for sale.
    04-05-2017 02:54 PM
  17. anthonyng's Avatar
    I guess that's the issue. There's no competitive advantage. This phone does next to nothing to attract new/returning W10 users, and nearly anyone that wants a W10 phone already has one that's as good/close enough or far better so it's not really much of an upgrade option.
    In this case you can't put it in perspective of value for money/competitive advantage.

    It's pretty much a help us fund the company to go forward. If you contribute 5$, sweet thanks, if you contribute $300, you can actually get something.

    The amount of risk is totally up to you and if it doesn't work out, you get your money back anyhow.

    It's like when kids schools keep trying to fundraise various activities by selling chocolate covered almonds. Do I like them? no. Do I think it's good value? no. I still buy it to support the school :) Also there's no method to get money back in this case :)
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    04-05-2017 03:02 PM
  18. RumoredNow's Avatar
    Why would we compare prices at launch day?
    To highlight the relative value of the device.

    I just got a Stuhrling Original Gatsby Plaza. The MSRP on it is $695.00 and many people bought it for that amount, seeing it as a $700 value and worth the money. The fact that I bought it from Overstock for $195 doesn't mean that it is no longer worth $700 or that some others are not still paying the full $700 for it from the manufacturer's site where you can add it to your cart for full price today...

    It means that they had a production overrun and could afford to sell some of that off at a discount.

    In terms of 950 and 950 XL they are definitely out of production, so much so that the factories that produced them are now moth balled and (if I remember correctly) sold off. So those prices are liquidation prices across the board. When has a liquidation price ever represented value? It represents discount.Somebody somewhere most likely lost money on it.
    04-05-2017 03:21 PM
  19. Cartman's Avatar
    Best of luck to these guys! This is not the phone for me since I only go for high end phones (950XL when it first came out and now the iPhone 7 plus...eagerly awaiting the iPhone 8). I would contribute $5-$10 to the cause though. Is there a way to do that?

    Also thinking of getting the Xiaomi Mi Mix 2 just because it is so awesome hardware wise...depends on how good the iPhone 8 is I suppose.

    Sorry MS...the only way you will get me back at this point is with some out of this world Surface phone. I had been using Windows Mobile since it first came out...literally. Bought the original Windows Mobile developer phone (running a version of pocket pc) back in early 2000 or whenever that was...the one with no touch screen...it was cool for it's time. Have upgraded ever since until just recently.
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    04-05-2017 03:21 PM
  20. Cartman's Avatar
    By the way here is the Xiaomi Mi Mix 2 leak:

    Xiaomi Mi Mix 2 leak shows the phone of your dreams – BGR
    04-05-2017 03:23 PM
  21. RumoredNow's Avatar
    I would contribute $5-$10 to the cause though. Is there a way to do that?
    Thanks! There is...

    Go to: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/c.../x/16395313?#/

    Click on the Back It button and fill in the amount.

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    I really appreciate the support.
    04-05-2017 03:27 PM
  22. Cartman's Avatar
    Done!
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    04-05-2017 03:40 PM
  23. Nate W's Avatar
    I'd say if there's anyone out there still using non-continuum capable Windows mobile os phones in N. America/S. America... and can go in on this--they absolutely need to order one of these.
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    04-05-2017 03:40 PM
  24. mymarcio's Avatar
    Did you get the email? The one with the special link?

    Are you a Cerulean Knight?

    Did you pledge and get the secret perk? Are you spreading the word?

    Let's hear your battle stories here.

    #ThisIsOurMoment #CeruleanKnights #ColorMeCerulean
    I will not be buying the Cerulean phone.
    I have been a hardcore supporter of Microsoft.
    I've bought:

    - Surface Pro 1
    - Surface Pro 3
    - Surface RT (as a gift to someone)
    - Band 1
    - Band 2
    - Lumia 920
    - Lumia 510
    - Lumia 520
    - Lumia 720 (I think t-mo version)
    - Lumia 830
    - Lumia 1020 - Mine
    - Lumia 950 XL - Mine

    And I can't explain how disappointed I am with their dropping support through their update structure.
    Though the 1020 was an amazing phone, I find it incredibly annoying that MS has not lead some sort of recycling/ turn in program where you could upgrade the insides or upgrade to a new headset. I admit that I'm a tech enthusiast, but $800 handsets should last me more than just 2 years when they come out to the market.

    While I don't mind trying new technology -- I am just not up to be "ALL HANDS IN" anymore. I admit I was somewhat gullible in trusting a company since they are in it for the Money, not the promises. My 950XL is working fine and asides from the Cerulean being a downgrade, even if it wasn't -- I can't imagine the stability issues that might come with it given the little things I keep asking them to fix for their own phones.

    Though might tone might sound angry or upset, I'm just going to be more cautious and ride the 950XL until it no longer serves me. Hopefully someone will create an APP that allows me to just recycle the other phones by letting me synchronize and record/stop at the same time, in order to capture different angles low budget.

    Kthxbye! :)
    04-05-2017 03:42 PM
  25. Ryan Smith23's Avatar
    Didn't the CEO say they were going to revolutionize Windows Phone? How exactly are they doing this with a rebrand of a mid-range Windows phone from last year? Literally no reason to get this (and there's no way they're going to make their funding goal. It's dead already), instead of a 950/950XL. Those phones may be out of production, but they'll likely receive support from MS long after WB stops supporting the Moment (if it ever comes out). This phone is a joke.
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    04-05-2017 03:46 PM
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