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  1. imsai0's Avatar
    peoples have been wondering when the mythical Surface Phone arrives. okay let's try to find an appropriate answer.
    Last edited by imsai0; 07-06-2017 at 02:48 PM.
    07-06-2017 01:31 PM
  2. realwarder's Avatar
    When and if Microsoft want to release one.
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    07-06-2017 01:59 PM
  3. Sagnik Pal's Avatar
    There are many dates. All of them being rumored, the most heard is around mid-2018. But who knows? Microsoft said they will be bringing a new 'ultimate mobile device' which might not be the Surface phone. Let's wait and watch what happens.
    07-06-2017 02:02 PM
  4. imsai0's Avatar
    I will try to answer that in a nutshell..

    well. ms has five type of devices that run windows :

    pc,xbox,hololens,mobile & IoT.

    this year ms has released the xbox one x which is the ultimate console
    which can easily last for 3 years. say till 2020. that means enough time for ms to work on other 4 types of devices. next the pc.

    this year, we will see the ultimate form factors laptop which ms say the Windows on ARM always connected PCs. this should happen this year. after that, comes the hololens

    apple has been growing aggressively with it's ARkit move. so it wouldnt be wise for ms to be lazy. they should begin developing consumer facing AR HMDs either this year (2017) or next year (2018). ms has to prepare & complete consumer facing AR HMDs by 2018. [I am well aware that ms said, consumer facing AR is 5 years away, but considering the apple pressure it should be ready by 2k18,otherwise its DOA.]

    IoT isn't consumer facing category. so let it be out from this thread.

    now you see the picture. fundamentals for the surface phone should be ready in late 2018. unless 2018 brings foldable screen technology for consumers , then unfortunately we have to wait for the mythical device. it all depends on when the folding screen tech comes out!!!

    there you have it.
    07-06-2017 02:16 PM
  5. Guytronic's Avatar
    07-06-2017 02:25 PM
  6. xandros9's Avatar
    The issue with a folding screen is that anything rigid and not hinged that folds over one spot repeatedly will fail sooner than later and also be pretty thick when folded. Ask someone in Materials.

    And you're also not noting that MS currently just doesn't care about trying in mobile right now nor will an attempt really take off without fundamentals and MS is letting what fundamentals they have leave Windows Phone with its minimal effort. And legacy UWP programs and Continuum on mobile will only do so much (not much) to attract attention. And that's assuming they do go that path.

    MS also is huge and has divisions so Xbox's activity isn't really going to drastically affect OneDrive or Windows.
    07-06-2017 02:27 PM
  7. Guytronic's Avatar
    Microsoft has always been a company that provides updates for software products...it's what they do best.
    The company has bound itself to provide updates as usual of course.

    I still believe Microsoft has completely shelved any plans to service it's mobile platform with any handheld device.
    Far as I see with absolutely no backing from any hardware manufacturer there will be no Surface phone.
    07-06-2017 02:37 PM
  8. Indistinguishable's Avatar
    When it's good and ready. Just like every other Surface device in the last three years.
    07-06-2017 06:28 PM
  9. mattiasnyc's Avatar
    If some of what Nadella and others have said is true, then in the big scheme of things this will happen sooner or later. I mean, after all, if you end up with Windows 10 on ARM on tablets and laptops, why would MS or someone else NOT shrink that device to a phone-size device? I mean, is there a reason not to?

    If people buy Win 10 on smaller battery efficient devices as well as laptops and desktops, then the impetus to get a smaller device may very well be there.

    Really the only question I see is if users get the apps they think they need that aren't currently there (meaning they'd have to be UWP and cShell etc).
    07-06-2017 07:23 PM
  10. travisel's Avatar
    MS Surface are made by a ASUS owned subsidiary!

    Why would MSFT be making Win10M RS3 OS for NO device?

    There something coming! I believe it's more likely a Surface RT2 or Win10 RT reboot of some sort but this time it can use full Win32 software and have Phone capabilities, some people say it's a "Surface Note" device giving upcoming Samsung Note 8 direct competition? Other people say the device was the never released "Surface Mini" device renamed "Surface Mobile" ? ....there so many names floating around but the most common is "Surface Phone" witch could be a combination of all of them??

    If Microsoft wants % of the mobile phone market with the big 3 Mobile companies controlling everything! Apple, Google, Samsung......Microsoft has no choice but to follow Blackberry & Nokia by joining Android 8 (API level 26) just to keep % of Mobile market! ......I mean not full Android OS but a Wrapper around or emulator like BlueStacks or bridge side loading access to there million of apps!.........Or dual OS boot or overlay just until they get UWP up and running! Microsoft is running out of time! With all competition having new OS's coming!! Apple iOS11, Google Android 8, Samsung Tizen 4 making no Mobile market room? Microsoft needs to rediscover it self. Microsoft Surface Phone device with a Win10M RS3 OS is what we all are waiting for! I don't want to move too Apple iPhone 8 or Google Pixel 2 or other 3rd party Android devices'........Microsoft give us devoted MSFT Mobile OS something for us to upgrade too!

    Sent from Lumia 950XL
    07-06-2017 09:07 PM
  11. travisel's Avatar
    Surface Phone must use the newest hardware technology!

    If the Surface Phone came out Dec 2017 hardware must be: Everything my Lumia 950 XL had +

    - Snapdragon 836
    - 6GB RAM
    - 64GB UFS v2
    - MicroSDXC UHS I
    - 6th generation Purview Camera
    - IP68 Certified
    - QHD 1440p Flip display
    - Gorilla glass 5
    - 4000 mAh battery 3rd gen (Li-Medal)

    If the Surface Phone comes out 6 months later May 2018 hardware must be:

    - Snapdragon 845
    - 8GB RAM
    - 128GB UFS v2
    - MicroSDXC UHS II
    - 7th generation Purview Camera
    - IP68 Certified
    - UHD 2160p Flip display
    - Gorilla glass 6
    - 4000 mAh battery 3rd gen (Li-Medal)

    Specs ONLY go up every year! Microsoft must have best of the best of the time!

    every one keep talking about "Snapdragon 835 & 4GB of RAM" is absolutely old in the upcoming months. Even Samsung upcoming Note 8 is using "Snapdragon 836 & 6GB of RAM"......so MSFT must have premium specs!

    My opinion

    Sent from Lumia 950XL
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    07-06-2017 09:43 PM
  12. Drael646464's Avatar
    If its a graphene flexible screen tech you are imagining, it will be too expensive initially to be a consumer facing device. That will thus take time to reach consumers, and initially be enterprise/elite.

    If its some kind of rigid, none flexible forefunner, that may come next year or soon, and I believe MSFT is working on this, but it's not going to be exactly what people imagine I don't think. It'll be sort of focused on a dual screen UI, rather the focused on a larger single screen to de-emphasize the screen creases.

    It's definitely not a slab.

    The path to high grade HMD AR, and flexible screens will take time for the manu and products to evolve, as the mobile phone itself had to go through. Until then they will likely be niche.

    But I think something of an "enabling technology" is coming, its just not the "total game changer" fans might expect, more of a minor mass marketshare catergory creator.
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    07-06-2017 10:03 PM
  13. raycpl's Avatar
    When India??

    LOL.
    Couldnt resist ... haven't heard that phrase here in WC in a long time.

    ...!!
    07-06-2017 10:09 PM
  14. CraigCole's Avatar
    I'd say around quarter-past never... But seriously, maybe in 2018?
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    07-06-2017 10:20 PM
  15. imsai0's Avatar
    If its a graphene flexible screen tech you are imagining, it will be too expensive initially to be a consumer facing device. That will thus take time to reach consumers, and initially be enterprise/elite.

    If its some kind of rigid, none flexible forefunner, that may come next year or soon, and I believe MSFT is working on this, but it's not going to be exactly what people imagine I don't think. It'll be sort of focused on a dual screen UI, rather the focused on a larger single screen to de-emphasize the screen creases.

    It's definitely not a slab.

    The path to high grade HMD AR, and flexible screens will take time for the manu and products to evolve, as the mobile phone itself had to go through. Until then they will likely be niche.

    But I think something of an "enabling technology" is coming, its just not the "total game changer" fans might expect, more of a minor mass marketshare catergory creator.
    I don't know what folding tech will ms make.. maybe the dual screen UI you have referred.

    after recently seeing various patents from ms, I can assume something game changer is comming sooner combining both smartphone & holographic tech

    The issue with a folding screen is that anything rigid and not hinged that folds over one spot repeatedly will fail sooner than later and also be pretty thick when folded. Ask someone in Materials.

    And you're also not noting that MS currently just doesn't care about trying in mobile right now nor will an attempt really take off without fundamentals and MS is letting what fundamentals they have leave Windows Phone with its minimal effort. And legacy UWP programs and Continuum on mobile will only do so much (not much) to attract attention. And that's assuming they do go that path.

    MS also is huge and has divisions so Xbox's activity isn't really going to drastically affect OneDrive or Windows.
    ms slowly progressing toward a Surface Phone. Can't u see it? they are cooking up Cshell, having folding screen patents.
    after WOA & hololens gets consumer ready , we should see the Surface Phone in action

    Microsoft has always been a company that provides updates for software products...it's what they do best.
    The company has bound itself to provide updates as usual of course.

    I still believe Microsoft has completely shelved any plans to service it's mobile platform with any handheld device.
    Far as I see with absolutely no backing from any hardware manufacturer there will be no Surface phone.

    surface hardware factory is there to back up!!

    If some of what Nadella and others have said is true, then in the big scheme of things this will happen sooner or later. I mean, after all, if you end up with Windows 10 on ARM on tablets and laptops, why would MS or someone else NOT shrink that device to a phone-size device? I mean, is there a reason not to?

    If people buy Win 10 on smaller battery efficient devices as well as laptops and desktops, then the impetus to get a smaller device may very well be there.

    Really the only question I see is if users get the apps they think they need that aren't currently there (meaning they'd have to be UWP and cShell etc).
    surface phone wouldnt have any app issue. it runs full windows10. so win32 apps can run naturally including bluestacks. this is the natural solution.

    or ms will make a sandboxed Android emulator. bcoz when unfolded the surface phone runs in desktop mode, when folded behaves like a phone
    Last edited by xandros9; 07-06-2017 at 10:51 PM.
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    07-06-2017 10:28 PM
  16. xandros9's Avatar
    surface hardware factory is there to back up!!
    It's already manufacturing Surfaces. Which are laptops, tablets or desktops. It's tough to retool a factory.

    ms slowly progressing toward a Surface Phone. Can't u see it? they are cooking up Cshell, having folding screen patents.
    after WOA & hololens gets consumer ready , we should see the Surface Phone in action
    CShell isn't anything remarkable so far, companies patent everything they can, regardless of intent to use in the future.

    surface phone wouldnt have any app issue. it runs full windows10. so win32 apps can run naturally including bluestacks. this is the natural solution.

    or ms will make a sandboxed Android emulator. bcoz when unfolded the surface phone runs in desktop mode, when folded behaves like a phone
    Surface Phone would have plenty of app issues.

    The programs/websites I and many people use and can get on my PC are almost a completely different set than what I need on my phone.

    I don't need iTunes, Office and other specialized/legacy programs on my phone nor do I need Snapchat, Instagram, Tinder or my bank on my PC.

    That's the same with most people. (see UWP usage on Windows 10)

    Of course, a Continuum capable phone with full 10 will be cool, but then it has to be a good laptop, desktop and phone. And Windows 10 or 10 Mobile just isn't good at being a phone right now.

    Bluestacks is a clunky solution too. Using extra power, meh performance, I'm not even sure it even has Google Play Services which you need for a whole lot of apps.

    and an Android emulator runs into the same issues, and also it damages the Windows Store ecosystem, hampers the user experience, (who wants to deal with sideloading?) and has already been tried in Project Astoria. You might as well get an Android phone that'll work better.
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    07-06-2017 10:48 PM
  17. imsai0's Avatar
    MS Surface are made by a ASUS owned subsidiary!

    Why would MSFT be making Win10M RS3 OS for NO device?

    There something coming! I believe it's more likely a Surface RT2 or Win10 RT reboot of some sort but this time it can use full Win32 software and have Phone capabilities, some people say it's a "Surface Note" device giving upcoming Samsung Note 8 direct competition? Other people say the device was the never released "Surface Mini" device renamed "Surface Mobile" ? ....there so many names floating around but the most common is "Surface Phone" witch could be a combination of all of them??

    If Microsoft wants % of the mobile phone market with the big 3 Mobile companies controlling everything! Apple, Google, Samsung......Microsoft has no choice but to follow Blackberry & Nokia by joining Android 8 (API level 26) just to keep % of Mobile market! ......I mean not full Android OS but a Wrapper around or emulator like BlueStacks or bridge side loading access to there million of apps!.........Or dual OS boot or overlay just until they get UWP up and running! Microsoft is running out of time! With all competition having new OS's coming!! Apple iOS11, Google Android 8, Samsung Tizen 4 making no Mobile market room? Microsoft needs to rediscover it self. Microsoft Surface Phone device with a Win10M RS3 OS is what we all are waiting for! I don't want to move too Apple iPhone 8 or Google Pixel 2 or other 3rd party Android devices'........Microsoft give us devoted MSFT Mobile OS something for us to upgrade too!

    Sent from Lumia 950XL
    dual booting will not be an option for sure. why u need w10m rs3??

    surface phone runs Cshell meaning full windows 10. ms will either make custom sandboxed Android emulator for running social apps or we have to rely on bluestacks.

    surface phone is a phone without app gap!!
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    07-06-2017 10:57 PM
  18. travisel's Avatar
    Microsoft is using PEGATRON Manufacture! Witch is "was" ASUS company!

    http://www.pegatroncorp.com/index/index/lang/en_US

    This is where all Surface devices are made!

    Microsoft sold of Lumia Vietnam Factory to Foxconn!

    https://news.microsoft.com/2016/05/1...4CfY5I8Jb2s.97

    Apple using Samsung, Foxcon, TSMC "iPhone 8"

    Samsung using Samsung "S8 & N8"

    Google using HTC & LG "Pixel 2"

    Sent from Lumia 950XL
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    07-06-2017 11:00 PM
  19. imsai0's Avatar
    I'd say around quarter-past never... But seriously, maybe in 2018?
    in late 2018, the fundamentals of surface phone gets ready. then its depends up to folding screen tech revolution. I think ms is currently working on folding screen revolution.

    CShell isn't anything remarkable so far, companies patent everything they can, regardless of intent to use in the future.



    Surface Phone would have plenty of app issues.

    I don't need iTunes, Office and other specialized/legacy programs on my phone nor do I need Snapchat, Instagram, Tinder or my bank on my PC.

    That's the same with most people. (see UWP usage on Windows 10)

    Of course, a Continuum capable phone with full 10 will be cool, but then it has to be a good laptop, desktop and phone. And Windows 10 or 10 Mobile just isn't good at being a phone right now.

    Bluestacks is a clunky solution too.v Using extra power, meh performance, I'm not even sure it even has Google Play Services which you need for a whole lot of apps.

    and an Android emulator runs into the same issues, and also it damages the Windows Store ecosystem, hampers the user experience, (who wants to deal with sideloading?) and has already been tried in Project Astoria. You might as well get an Android phone that'll work better.
    I would like to know what app issue surface phone will have??

    I think peoples yet have to understand surface phone theory.


    Cshell means full windows 10. why u need continuum? surface phone will have foldable screen letting you use it as a windows 10 tablet or a phone when unfolded. theirs no need of continuum.


    having a custom sandboxed emulator for running social Android apps or running bluestacks will not destroy windows store bcoz they will have either limited capabilities or as u said performance issues. it is just a temporary solution for consumers. rather it will encourage developers to switch native UWP apps for smooth user experience in the long run.

    u have to understand a full windows 10 will never gonna have app issue. huh!!
    Last edited by xandros9; 07-07-2017 at 10:45 AM.
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    07-06-2017 11:03 PM
  20. travisel's Avatar
    As long as the Surface Phone can access Android API level 26 Apps would be fantastic!

    I hate using my Edge browser for all my Banking and other apps on my Lumia 950 XL!! Since all my Banking apps and alot other apps left Win10M platform last month...so pissed and disappointed with the Win10M apps situation.....Apps are very important!! I have been with Microsoft Mobile OS since WM5.0 days 11 years ago!

    This is why I'm in this forum!! See what future I have with Microsoft Mobile OS.

    If the Surface Phone happens but no apps and no way to run Android apps.....I'll have to leave Win10M platform for Android 8! I don't want to but what choice do I have? .....NO iOS11? NO ....Redstone 3/4/CShell Maybe if there is Android apps support? I'm so frustrated....

    What to do if Surface Phone doesn't happen?

    Buy Google Pixel 2 XXL? Run future MS Arrow 4 on Android 8 OS and try to keep all my 11 years of MSFT Services intact somehow? I never used iPhone or Android.......I'm at the end of my rope.

    Is MSFT "Arrow" are only alternative to Surface Phone if there is no launch?

    http://www.arrowlauncher.com/

    Sent from Lumia 950XL
    07-07-2017 01:19 AM
  21. Drael646464's Avatar
    Running an inbuilt android emulation is what accelerated the death of the bb10 platform. Running a specific emulator would be a self-sabotage of UWP, which is a still nascent platform. It would be a really bad move, and show a complete lack of faith in the, utterly central to the future of windows, UWP platform.

    There's also no real need. All the major social apps are UWP, and there are plenty of plans in place to build on the growth UWP is already experiencing. AND the average person uses 4-6 apps.

    Lastly a folding phone featuring win32 emulation, is not anything we know for sure is coming soon. A consumer product like that could be a decade off. It may come soon, and it may feature win32. But the ultimate surface product I think people are imagining is based on graphene screen tech, that initially only enterprise will be able to afford to purchase.

    If it does come soon, is cheaper/not a true folding screen, and has win32 - bluestacks and other android emulators are kind of a mess. I've never actually been able to run any of them without crashing, on any device. I think the last thing any person will want to do is rely on them.

    Especially when full windows software for basic tasks, like listening to music, browsing, watching, e-mail, basic documents programs, video etc, are vastly superior compared to mobile software.
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    07-07-2017 01:26 AM
  22. kaktus1389's Avatar
    Surface Phone must use the newest hardware technology!

    If the Surface Phone came out Dec 2017 hardware must be: Everything my Lumia 950 XL had +

    - Snapdragon 836
    - 6GB RAM
    - 64GB UFS v2
    - MicroSDXC UHS I
    - 6th generation Purview Camera
    - IP68 Certified
    - QHD 1440p Flip display
    - Gorilla glass 5
    - 4000 mAh battery 3rd gen (Li-Medal)

    If the Surface Phone comes out 6 months later May 2018 hardware must be:

    - Snapdragon 845
    - 8GB RAM
    - 128GB UFS v2
    - MicroSDXC UHS II
    - 7th generation Purview Camera
    - IP68 Certified
    - UHD 2160p Flip display
    - Gorilla glass 6
    - 4000 mAh battery 3rd gen (Li-Medal)

    Specs ONLY go up every year! Microsoft must have best of the best of the time!

    every one keep talking about "Snapdragon 835 & 4GB of RAM" is absolutely old in the upcoming months. Even Samsung upcoming Note 8 is using "Snapdragon 836 & 6GB of RAM"......so MSFT must have premium specs!

    My opinion

    Sent from Lumia 950XL
    Man I adore your optimism but it's not all about specs here and from what we've heard we likely won't see a Surface Phone before 2019 and even then it's not sure that we'll see one. Not sure how familiar you are with MS's policies about mobile right now but any news that are not coming from Microsoft directly are just rumors that have been around since 2016. From the information that editors of Windows Central had early last year we were hoping for late 2017, but that's just not going to happen.

    If I recall correctly Daniel mentioned once that all he got from a MS source regarding Surface Phone was "keyboard". This may or may not be connected but a while ago MSPowerUser posted a picture of cancelled device with touchscreen and a BlackBerry-ish keyboard.

    EDIT: It was from 2012 so apparently it's not what I first thought it was.
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    07-07-2017 03:27 AM
  23. imsai0's Avatar
    As long as the Surface Phone can access Android API level 26 Apps would be fantastic!

    I hate using my Edge browser for all my Banking and other apps on my Lumia 950 XL!! Since all my Banking apps and alot other apps left Win10M platform last month...so pissed and disappointed with the Win10M apps situation.....Apps are very important!! I have been with Microsoft Mobile OS since WM5.0 days 11 years ago!

    This is why I'm in this forum!! See what future I have with Microsoft Mobile OS.

    If the Surface Phone happens but no apps and no way to run Android apps.....I'll have to leave Win10M platform for Android 8! I don't want to but what choice do I have? .....NO iOS11? NO ....Redstone 3/4/CShell Maybe if there is Android apps support? I'm so frustrated....

    What to do if Surface Phone doesn't happen?

    Buy Google Pixel 2 XXL? Run future MS Arrow 4 on Android 8 OS and try to keep all my 11 years of MSFT Services intact somehow? I never used iPhone or Android.......I'm at the end of my rope.

    Is MSFT "Arrow" are only alternative to Surface Phone if there is no launch?

    Arrow launcher

    Sent from Lumia 950XL
    seems u have messed up everything... w10m is dead in the water.. Cshell is the future which is full windows 10

    Running an inbuilt android emulation is what accelerated the death of the bb10 platform. Running a specific emulator would be a self-sabotage of UWP, which is a still nascent platform. It would be a really bad move, and show a complete lack of faith in the, utterly central to the future of windows, UWP platform.

    There's also no real need. All the major social apps are UWP, and there are plenty of plans in place to build on the growth UWP is already experiencing. AND the average person uses 4-6 apps.
    I understand. third party apps are never gonna attract consumers for sure.we have seen that with wp


    Lastly a folding phone featuring win32 emulation, is not anything we know for sure is coming soon. A consumer product like that could be a decade off. It may come soon, and it may feature win32. But the ultimate surface product I think people are imagining is based on graphene screen tech, that initially only enterprise will be able to afford to purchase.

    If it does come soon, is cheaper/not a true folding screen, and has win32 - bluestacks and other android emulators are kind of a mess. I've never actually been able to run any of them without crashing, on any device. I think the last thing any person will want to do is rely on them.
    their is no real innovation in smartphones and it will never be. ms parents as well as lg & samsung's activities say that the folding screen is the future. it may be made of graphene or anything folding tech.

    Especially when full windows software for basic tasks, like listening to music, browsing, watching, e-mail, basic documents programs, video etc, are vastly superior compared to mobile software.
    these are already there in windows store. unfortunately . thats surely not helping ms. they have to try different which is the surface phone. Finally trendy apps & attractive hardware is the key of surface phone's success
    Last edited by xandros9; 07-07-2017 at 10:46 AM.
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    07-07-2017 03:30 AM
  24. Drael646464's Avatar
    I understand. third party apps are never gonna attract consumers for sure.we have seen that with wp
    There are many reasons one might say windows phone has been less successful. They would all be guesses, unless anyone wants to present any data or proof.

    I don't think third party apps are a bad thing. The mi band third party apps on android and windows phone are superior to the hardware makers app. there are a host of youtube clients on windows that are far better than the native android youtube app.

    People don't even check the processing speed of the phones they buy. Consumers don't make complicated informed decisions. As such its very hard to pin specific things on a products failure or success.

    It's roughly as hard as working out why beards are in now, but shaved was in ten years ago. people are odd creatures. Marketers and lay people will have you believe that some complex user discernment goes into product success or failure. Its murkier and more psychological than that. It has more to do with marketing, cultural movements than just something as simple as whether a certain app is made by one person or another.


    ms parents as well as lg & samsung's activities say that the folding screen is the future. it may be made of graphene or anything folding tech.
    graphene, which is what flexible screens are made of, is incredibly expensive to produce. The tiny scrolling screen Samsung demo'd back in 2013 cost somewhere in the region of 50,000 USD to produce a proto of.

    And that's not something mass production helps with. because graphene is incredibly hard to make.

    This is why the market is not already flooded with folding and scrolling screens. The tech exists, the space-age material its made from is too expensive. Even if it is made cheaper (we are talking btw, about a nano-material, something built at the atomic level), it will still initially be too expensive for consumer facing products. It would be like the first mobile phones - for the rich, for the CEO's of large companies.

    Any folding screen tech released now, or soon, would either have a gap/crease, or be very expensive. And if it was the former, it would be more like a 'work in progress" device, a "new idea using old technology" than a world changing piece of sci-fi. It would be a stepping stone towards a more distant future where graphene slowly becomes cheaper to make.

    these are already there in windows store. Finally trendy apps & attractive hardware is the key of surface phone's key of success
    Some are. But my point was that for many basic tasks, the software on desktop is superior to something like android. Like a browser, or music software.

    If there was a folding tablet running win32, in at least some respects (all the software on the desktop) the app experience would be vastly superior. App quality and depth on mobile OSes is horrible next to their desktop counterparts.
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    07-07-2017 04:09 AM
  25. hyperleaf's Avatar
    At the moment, consumers are still pretty dependent on apps, which is probably the reason the last generation of mobile windows devices suffered like their predecessors. So, there isn't a huge demand for any new ones because the store still lacks a lot of first-party services people enjoy in iOS and Android. And MS is a business. At this point, we can't expect them to support a product that isn't game-changing, or at least feasible.
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    07-07-2017 04:10 AM
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