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  1. Akssingh's Avatar
    One thing that all my freinds ( all of us are windows enthusiast) have agreed to, that except start screen , every single thing related to win 10 is ugly.. And we all are heading to an ugly future... And killing the me tile completely, was probably most rude thing done to the OS... Hope you agree with me and buddies..
    Last edited by Akssingh; 05-19-2015 at 09:32 PM.
    05-19-2015 11:09 AM
  2. MikeSo's Avatar
    Hard to say. Once the UI gets a consistent look as far as fonts and sizes, it should be better. I don't think the true W10M areas of the current build are ugly, they just stand out so much compared to the rest of the OS. I think the usability suffers a bit due to placement of the hamburger menu etc, but I don't think it looks worse than WP8.1. Let's face it, WP8.1 isn't exactly a pretty OS either, in fact I'd argue that from a pure esthetics POV, Windows 10 looks better (the Settings section, for example).

    Also, it looks more like iOS and Android in some aspects, so I think people new to W10M might have a more positive view of it.
    05-19-2015 11:58 AM
  3. Akssingh's Avatar
    Hard to say. Once the UI gets a consistent look as far as fonts and sizes, it should be better. I don't think the true W10M areas of the current build are ugly, they just stand out so much compared to the rest of the OS. I think the usability suffers a bit due to placement of the hamburger menu etc, but I don't think it looks worse than WP8.1. Let's face it, WP8.1 isn't exactly a pretty OS either, in fact I'd argue that from a pure esthetics POV, Windows 10 looks better (the Settings section, for example).

    Also, it looks more like iOS and Android in some aspects, so I think people new to W10M might have a more positive view of it.
    I agree on 8.1 part but 10 , if you look closely is a complete mess ... It has nothing what made wp "THE WP",
    05-19-2015 09:28 PM
  4. Kevin Rush's Avatar
    I agree on 8.1 part but 10 , if you look closely is a complete mess ... It has nothing what made wp "THE WP",
    Yes, WP 10 is a freaking disaster mess, because it isn't consistent with the amazing design principles af WP. It is taking on the very worst aspects of the other OS in the name of "Oh, it will be familiar to more people.". Read the many articles and research on the topic. The copy cat hamburger menu doesn't do the job, Do a search on it for yourself. It is functionally horrible for one handed use, in lieu of the wonderful pivots/panoramas with all their obvious visual clues hinting there is "more" to display. I really think the actual problem is Microsoft marketing to get the good word out, not that people can't understand ideas that are innovative. They need to know the better ideas exist. They are fixing a failure in marketing communication by giving up and just copying someone else.

    Best Wishes
    Last edited by Kevin Rush; 05-20-2015 at 05:57 AM.
    05-19-2015 09:52 PM
  5. cory1717's Avatar
    That sucks no more me tile! They could of done so much more with this .
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    05-19-2015 10:08 PM
  6. theefman's Avatar
    That sucks no more me tile! They could of done so much more with this .


    Wait until either apple or google introduce this into their OS then watch it miraculously reappear.....

    The actual problem is Microsoft marketing to get the good word out, not that people can't understand better ideas. They need to know the better ideas exist. They are fixing a failure in marketing communication by giving up and just copying someone else.

    Best Wishes
    QFT
    05-19-2015 10:17 PM
  7. idokamaroq's Avatar
    Yes, WP 10 is a freaking disaster mess, because it isn't consistent with the amazing design principals af WP.
    No, WP 10 is a freaking disaster mess, because it isn't remotely close to being finished and is just bits and pieces of old WP8.1 and new W10 UI/UX cobbled together. Once it's actually done, it'll all be more streamlined and flow together better. A lot different from WP8.1 (not saying better or worse because it's hard to tell from little buggy glimpses), but not a "freaking disaster mess."
    MikeSo, OwenDL, LeFreak and 11 others like this.
    05-19-2015 10:27 PM
  8. hotphil's Avatar
    They are fixing a failure in marketing communication by giving up and just copying someone else.
    That's very true, at least for the UI. Not so sure on the services side though.
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    05-19-2015 10:52 PM
  9. Akssingh's Avatar
    No, WP 10 is a freaking disaster mess, because it isn't remotely close to being finished and is just bits and pieces of old WP8.1 and new W10 UI/UX cobbled together. Once it's actually done, it'll all be more streamlined and flow together better. A lot different from WP8.1 (not saying better or worse because it's hard to tell from little buggy glimpses), but not a "freaking disaster mess."
    You my freind then have never lived life wp way....the me tile was not something they could kill at for any fcking reason but they did tha because " it was not familier to others", .
    05-19-2015 11:13 PM
  10. xibartx's Avatar
    never really had a use for the me tile personally....don't miss it
    05-19-2015 11:46 PM
  11. Akssingh's Avatar
    never really had a use for the me tile personally....don't miss it
    You never used it because msft made it useless..... It was my most loving point in windows phone 8.
    05-20-2015 03:22 AM
  12. FAHMI BASSEM's Avatar
    MS must stick to its innovations, MS needs a good marketing strategy, MS needs to show of what does hub mean, what are Rooms and how can we use it, MS problem is that it throw an idea and wait for people to learn what is it and how to use it.
    Tons of my friends show me what they think is innovation in other OS's, they find some features inventions because their OEMs know how to market!
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    05-20-2015 05:24 AM
  13. Harrie-S's Avatar
    You never used it because msft made it useless..... It was my most loving point in windows phone 8.
    If that's your biggest problem in your live you are a blessed person.
    Maybe you now also realize which terrible, terrible live your parents have (had in the past) before there where smartphones.
    05-20-2015 05:27 AM
  14. FAHMI BASSEM's Avatar
    Glance screen, Pure view, Social network integration, Hubs, live tiles, Cortana, and alot more of inventions, people never know about it, never know how to use it, here in Saudi Arabia as example, they love what they see, they use what they knew about, many of my colleagues never thought to search the web and know more about WP.
    One of my close friends used my phone for about 10 minutes and he was shocked, Word Flow works perfectly worth Arabic, live tiles and how he can pin whatever he want, he's a social network fan, so pining WhatsApp groups, IG accounts, Twitter hash tags, is a killing feature!

    Really MS needs a good advertising strategy!!
    05-20-2015 05:30 AM
  15. Harrie-S's Avatar
    Indeed but advertising on TV or whatever is good but what you do is even better.
    I believe my friends much more than any advertising campaign or whatever.
    So keep up and spread the word, that is very important to gain market share for windows phones.
    05-20-2015 05:36 AM
  16. Kram Sacul's Avatar
    I don't think Windows 10 mobile is ugly in itself. Some parts look passable (keyboard). It just looks like garbage in comparison to what came before it. Rounded toggles, hard to make out wireframe icons, circle profile pictures, etc. They're all fine when you view them alone but when you put them alongside stuff from 8.1 it just feels a massive visual downgrade. Even the settings menus which is better organized is a shoddy rip-off of the one on my Android phone from 2011. Just dull, uninspired and not at all what I came to expect from WP. The stylish Metro design language was a big part of why I ditched Android (and Google) and came to WP in the first place. If WP looked liked W10 does now (the finished areas) I would've never left Android.

    The real deal breaker of W10 is the asinine backward steps in usability. A clunky hamburger icon in the upper left corner is never going to be as easy to use as a pivot. End of story.
    05-20-2015 05:44 AM
  17. FAHMI BASSEM's Avatar
    I don't think Windows 10 mobile is ugly by itself. Some parts look passable (keyboard). It just looks like garbage in comparison to what came before it. Rounded toggles, hard to make out wireframe icons, circle profile pictures, etc. They're all fine when you view them alone but when you put them alongside stuff from 8.1 it just feels a massive visual downgrade. Even the settings menus which is better organized is a shoddy rip-off of the one on my Android phone from 2011. Just dull, uninspired and not at all what I came to expect from WP. The stylish Metro design language was a big part of why I ditched Android (and Google) and came to WP in the first place. If WP looked liked W10 does now (the finished areas) I would've never left Android.

    The real deal breaker of W10 is the asinine backward steps in usability. A clunky hamburger icon in the upper left corner is never going to be as easy to use as a pivot. End of story.
    I think the simplest solution for the hamburger button is move it to the bottom and move the whole think up to it, I know it will be just like the current (...) but MS want it baaaadly so let them add it but we will choose where to put it!
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    05-20-2015 05:49 AM
  18. Abhinaba Maitra's Avatar
    it takes time to get used to things ..
    MikeSo and Dadstar0410 like this.
    05-20-2015 05:50 AM
  19. FAHMI BASSEM's Avatar
    But great memories never die!
    And by great memories I mean, Pivot and Panorama
    05-20-2015 06:04 AM
  20. ajayden's Avatar
    Yes, WP 10 is a freaking disaster mess, because it isn't consistent with the amazing design principles af WP. It is taking on the very worst aspects of the other OS in the name of "Oh, it will be familiar to more people.".
    So you mean to say that all the aspects on other OS is worse always and WP 8.1 was better than other OS?
    05-20-2015 08:08 AM
  21. Bad Randy 217's Avatar
    I can understand MS making the OS a little more familiar to other OS users in the honeymoon phase of the WM10 roll out. Its seems to me like this whole 10 (PC, Tablet, and Phone) roll out is going to be huge and will get a lot of attention. Quite a bit of that attention will be from reviews / articles from Apple and Android users. If the interface is too unique most of the reviews by these wanna be techs will be negative and a majority of the non-tech non-informed users will stay away. Lets generate a massive user base with the roll out of 10 to insure that it will live on.....
    Now for my biggest issue with the latest big windows update.....come on guys can we stick with an idea and play it out completely. What I mean about this is that they seem to start a Mobil OS and instead of offering constant improvements and upgrades they just dump the OS and move to something completely new. It started with my first AT&T Atrix running windows RT. Seems like support for that OS lasted a whole year before low and behold.....they drop Windows Mobile 7. Then a year later they drop Windows Mobile 8. Now were starting at Windows 10. Lets stick with 10 for awhile please. Fully flush out the OS with improvements, not just jump to a whole new OS. Big changes scare many and annoy just as many. This is where they need to take a page from Android and Apple. They constantly make improvements but the interface remains pretty constant. Most of the upgrading is done under the hood. Lets run with Windows 10 and keep it relevant by keeping it updated and improving. Don't just shelve this OS next year because you think we need a big change to gain market share.
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    05-20-2015 08:45 AM
  22. Pavstar619's Avatar
    Haven't used Insider Program yet, but the pictures look good though. I just wanted some key features that Android had like OTG Modem, ALL Video Codec support etc etc. If Microsoft can provide that then Hopefully I don't need to buy an Android Phone after selling my last one. By the way the UI's nice. I don't necessarily like WindowsPhones fully yet cause of being a long time Android User lol. But if MS keeps it's promises and LISTENS TO THE USERS all's good
    05-20-2015 08:49 AM
  23. ShinraCorp's Avatar
    Meh I sort of agree that W10 Mobile is pretty... different. But then again it's in development and requires feedback from users, so it'll probably change before the official release.

    As for the Me tile, I think I used it 1 time to edit my phone number on it to sync with Outlook. You could always use the People tile instead. Unless there was a feature in the Me tile that I'm missing.
    05-20-2015 09:51 AM
  24. LondonLumia's Avatar
    Windows 10 is ugly in places, yeah. I don't myself agree with all of the design decisions that are being taken - I get that everything should look unified, but it's losing some of that WP look.

    But I know that the phone build, particularly in terms of looks, is way behind that of the PC build. I hope Microsoft listen and incorporate some of this early feedback into plans (that surely they'll already have) to polish up the UI at the end. The functions are mostly in there, now hopefully Microsoft will redecorate in a style that we like and is similar to what we know.
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    05-20-2015 10:19 AM
  25. LondonLumia's Avatar
    I can understand MS making the OS a little more familiar to other OS users in the honeymoon phase of the WM10 roll out. Its seems to me like this whole 10 (PC, Tablet, and Phone) roll out is going to be huge and will get a lot of attention. Quite a bit of that attention will be from reviews / articles from Apple and Android users. If the interface is too unique most of the reviews by these wanna be techs will be negative and a majority of the non-tech non-informed users will stay away. Lets generate a massive user base with the roll out of 10 to insure that it will live on.....
    Now for my biggest issue with the latest big windows update.....come on guys can we stick with an idea and play it out completely. What I mean about this is that they seem to start a Mobil OS and instead of offering constant improvements and upgrades they just dump the OS and move to something completely new. It started with my first AT&T Atrix running windows RT. Seems like support for that OS lasted a whole year before low and behold.....they drop Windows Mobile 7. Then a year later they drop Windows Mobile 8. Now were starting at Windows 10. Lets stick with 10 for awhile please. Fully flush out the OS with improvements, not just jump to a whole new OS. Big changes scare many and annoy just as many. This is where they need to take a page from Android and Apple. They constantly make improvements but the interface remains pretty constant. Most of the upgrading is done under the hood. Lets run with Windows 10 and keep it relevant by keeping it updated and improving. Don't just shelve this OS next year because you think we need a big change to gain market share.
    It looks like your wish should come true - it's been reported before that Windows 10 will be the 'last big version of Windows' for some time, with more frequent minor updates to add new features and improve. No doubt it'll be succeeded at some point by Windows 11 or something, but it'll certainly last for a fair while, more than any of the recent OS versions.
    05-20-2015 10:22 AM
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