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  1. OrangeBerry02's Avatar
    So I've moved from a 640 to a 650 ... what are the giant leaps forward in the design of the os (that warrant skipping a WP9) that I can look forward to enjoying?
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    02-27-2016 05:38 AM
  2. OrangeBerry02's Avatar
    Well, having set up the 650 yesterday, I tend to agree with the stony silence which met my cheerful request.

    With a phone at the (admittedly) low level of a 650 the W10M experience is spectacularly unspectacular! (What on earth have Microsoft been up to?! Continuum, I guess. That's it?!))

    I did find a few backwards steps ... eg the inability of Outlook to provide for auto bccing oneself is pretty pathetic on a so-called "business phone". Also the machine is painfully slow at times.

    Overall, totally underwhelmed with one exception ... the screen on the 650 is gorgeous ... but that's nothing to do with the new os.
    02-28-2016 07:55 AM
  3. Sagar Limaye's Avatar
    You bought a 650? LOL

    Let me save the fanboi's some trouble:
    Shut up ! The OS is in its early stages! It's only been like a year since they started developing it. Of course it's gonna have problems. Don't buy a phone with a beta OS!
    02-28-2016 08:17 AM
  4. halflifecrysis's Avatar
    The OS is far from Beta at this point. I had just as many hiccups on 8.1 or for that matter my last Android as W10 has given me on these last couple of builds.

    In short to answer the OP the difference isn't much unless you use a device with Continuum. 90% of America wouldn't notice 10 vs. 8.1, especially a slightly tweaked 8.1 with some top apps. However more and more apps won't be available on 8.1 and there is your selling point on 10. The platform is app soft and softer on 8.1 than 10.

    That's my 2 cents...
    02-28-2016 09:03 AM
  5. PChem's Avatar
    The ONLY reason for me to use W10M on my 640 is the universal support for voice-to-text in every app. Just couldn't live with having to type in whatsapp in WP8.1.
    02-28-2016 11:06 AM
  6. theefman's Avatar
    If you can get cortana where you are do a comparison with the 8.1 version and bask in all its web page glory on W10.....
    Sent From my SP3i3
    02-28-2016 11:18 AM
  7. OrangeBerry02's Avatar
    The ONLY reason for me to use W10M on my 640 is the universal support for voice-to-text in every app. Just couldn't live with having to type in whatsapp in WP8.1.
    Useful comment for the uninitiated ... thank you ... I must try it.

    EDIT: For a clot like me this is the advantage of asking the question. I had missed this completely ... and it is v good. Thanks again.
    Last edited by OrangeBerry02; 02-28-2016 at 11:56 AM.
    02-28-2016 11:35 AM
  8. OrangeBerry02's Avatar
    If you can get cortana where you are do a comparison with the 8.1 version and bask in all its web page glory on W10.....
    Sent From my SP3i3
    I have found Cortana a bit of a disappointment to date (nevertheless great for reminders), but I will try and get more adventurous. Thanks for the input.
    MediKron likes this.
    02-28-2016 11:38 AM
  9. Marko Marjanovic's Avatar
    Well..i just got bored as fk with win8 desing.
    Can't blame me
    ItzMeFizzie likes this.
    02-29-2016 12:19 AM
  10. Captpt's Avatar
    So I've moved from a 640 to a 650 ... what are the giant leaps forward in the design of the os (that warrant skipping a WP9) that I can look forward to enjoying?
    You'll miss the great battery life 8.1 has for starters!!
    deadonthefloor likes this.
    02-29-2016 12:46 AM
  11. Guytronic's Avatar
    I tend to agree with the stony silence which met my cheerful request.
    Ummm...
    I fell for a virgin WM10 phone (Alcatel)
    Runs OK on .107 not extremely excited actually.
    Some of the changes are great.
    Overall WM10 isn't the end all be all.

    I think 10 is more of an adventure for the geek more than anything.
    Gives us a lot to talk about.
    Fans who have moved away due to disappointment keep checking in from what I see.
    02-29-2016 12:53 AM
  12. psyhound's Avatar
    W10m was a complete disaster on my 640. I was using it from .29 to .107, with HR after every update, but it was failing miserably. Constant app crashes, restarts, inability to start any app after longer usage (fixes after restart), bad camera quality, mixing up contacts with one number difference in phone number... and the list goes on and on and on and on and on and on...
    Guytronic likes this.
    02-29-2016 12:59 AM
  13. OrangeBerry02's Avatar
    You'll miss the great battery life 8.1 has for starters!!
    I suspect you might be right ... today is the first working day for my 650 ... I'll let you know how I do. When setting the phone up on Saturday I did need one re-charge, but that did not surprise me.
    02-29-2016 02:40 AM
  14. OrangeBerry02's Avatar
    Well..i just got bored as fk with win8 desing.
    Can't blame me
    Guess you mean design? In that regard I don't find W10M much of an improvement.

    Windows mobile design has imho always been ahead of IOS and Android because of its "clean" and innovative appearance. I find IOS a bit twee and Android dull which is why I have stuck with WP despite the lack of apps.

    W10M seems to me to be running the risk of vulgarising the original concept rather than improving it ... that said it does look great on my humble 650's excellent screen.

    And, no, we wouldn't blame you!!
    02-29-2016 02:52 AM
  15. OrangeBerry02's Avatar
    W10m was a complete disaster on my 640. I was using it from .29 to .107, with HR after every update, but it was failing miserably. Constant app crashes, restarts, inability to start any app after longer usage (fixes after restart), bad camera quality, mixing up contacts with one number difference in phone number... and the list goes on and on and on and on and on and on...
    I'm not surprised ... despite Microsoft's boundless optimism when it comes to backward compatibility the practical reality for the poor b****y user can often pretty grim.
    02-29-2016 03:00 AM
  16. TheChazas's Avatar
    Sell me W10M! What does it do better than WP8.1?
    Everything, except Battery Life consumption.
    02-29-2016 05:39 AM
  17. montera's Avatar
    Everything, except Battery Life consumption.
    Quite a bold statement, in a state the OS is, even the developer company seems to be more than bewildered what to do. From a user's perspective this whole circus is just smoke and mirrors. You either develop a product and sell it when it's ready or just keep quiet, this kind of hanging between is nonsense. Oh, wait it's coming, oh no, it was just the garbage collecting guy.
    02-29-2016 06:21 AM
  18. Bagzton's Avatar
    If you can get cortana where you are do a comparison with the 8.1 version and bask in all its web page glory on W10.....
    Sent From my SP3i3
    This! This!! THIS!!! You deserve an Oscar mate.
    02-29-2016 06:40 AM
  19. TheChazas's Avatar
    Quite a bold statement, in a state the OS is, even the developer company seems to be more than bewildered what to do. From a user's perspective this whole circus is just smoke and mirrors. You either develop a product and sell it when it's ready or just keep quiet, this kind of hanging between is nonsense. Oh, wait it's coming, oh no, it was just the garbage collecting guy.
    Yours and Others opinions vary.
    02-29-2016 08:30 AM
  20. Ten Four's Avatar
    I've only been running W10 for about four days, so still a lot to learn. First, battery life on my 640 is great--no problems there. Hitting no major bugs so far. Every MS app has lots of little tweaks that make things nicer in most cases. The clock has a nice world time tab, which I find very useful. The weather app has a new interface that is very nice if the accuracy of the weather gets improved--not sure why, but the temperature is often way off at my location. I didn't think I would like the look of the tiles with their fine-lined font, but I really do--looks very crisp and modern. I like the round images in contacts and they make the Speed Dial section very easy to use. Same with messaging. I like the option of linking Skype with messaging and contacts for making Skype calls or texts. Outlook interface is very slick and easy to use. Good dark themes on most apps. The news app is much easier to read. Camera is very easy to use, and I like the little round image that instantly gets you to the last shot taken. Camera is working fast and never fails to take a shot as it did for me on WP8.1 The settings section is still a bit of a mess, but better than on WP8.1. Calendar interface and readability is much better. It goes on and on. Tons of little tweaks and enhancements everywhere. Frankly, I would rate W10 as a 100% improvement so far. There is nothing from WP8.1 that I miss yet.
    02-29-2016 09:08 AM
  21. wgs84's Avatar
    A couple of things I've noticed (I'm using 10586.107 on a 640):
    -Edge renders websites better than 8.1's IE. For example, on SFGate, the "latest news" links always gets cut off in IE. On Edge, the text doesn't get cut off.
    -You can download maps to the SD card in 10. 8.1 doesn't let you do that.
    -You have the new note and flashlight action buttons in the action center. This is a huge deal for me personally.
    -Ability to scale the "Size of text, apps, and items on the display". I like to set it to 175% so that I can see more stuff on the screen at once.
    -Ability to "show more tiles" on the start screen.
    -The core apps are more featured (calculator comes with conversions, alarm comes with timers and world clock, etc.)
    -You can edit Excel documents in the Excel app. Huge for me. In 8.1, I can only open the .xlsx docs as read-only.

    Also, note that if you flashed the Tmo rom onto the unlocked ATT version of the 640, you will lose wifi calling.
    Edit: Scratch that. You won't lose wifi calling. I don't know if it's because I reset my phone or because I updated to .122 (probably the former), but I have wifi calling once again.

    There's bound to be more, but those are just the ones that I remember right off the bat.
    Last edited by wgs84; 03-02-2016 at 09:26 PM.
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    02-29-2016 11:40 AM
  22. OrangeBerry02's Avatar
    Everything, except Battery Life consumption.
    Well, my 650 has been on the go for 12 hours now and it has been quite a busy day with about 40 emails, 5 of which I replied to on the phone, 6 or 7 received texts and about 12 phone conversations, 2 of which went on for at least half-an-hour. The phone has bluetooth switched on for the car and has been in the car a couple of time (quite short journeys). I use the phone to keep my business mileage log and timesheet. And it's still going strong with about 48% of charge left.

    I am reasonably pleased, particularly bearing in mind this is a new phone and battery performance might improve over the next week.
    02-29-2016 01:10 PM
  23. OrangeBerry02's Avatar
    A couple of things I've noticed (I'm using 10586.107 on a 640):
    -Edge renders websites better than 8.1's IE. For example, on SFGate, the "latest news" links always gets cut off in IE. On Edge, the text doesn't get cut off.
    -You can download maps to the SD card in 10. 8.1 doesn't let you do that.
    -You have the new note and flashlight action buttons in the action center. This is a huge deal for me personally.
    -Ability to scale the "Size of text, apps, and items on the display". I like to set it to 175% so that I can see more stuff on the screen at once.
    -Ability to "show more tiles" on the start screen.
    -The core apps are more featured (calculator comes with conversions, alarm comes with timers and world clock, etc.)
    -You can edit Excel documents in the Excel app. Huge for me. In 8.1, I can only open the .xlsx docs as read-only.

    Also, note that if you flashed the Tmo rom onto the unlocked ATT version of the 640, you will lose wifi calling.

    There's bound to be more, but those are just the ones that I remember right off the bat.
    I agree with what you say ... though I am sure I was able to store maps on my SD card under 8.1 - or am I imagining it?!
    02-29-2016 01:12 PM
  24. wgs84's Avatar
    I'm pretty sure it wasn't officially supported. It might've been for an old version of WP maybe. I remember needing to download this Lumia storage check app (which you can't download from the store anymore btw) to get offline maps onto the SD card in 8.1, but otherwise the maps went into the internal storage. W10m gives you the option to save the offline maps onto an SD card without needing to do any tricks.
    WesleyBPeres likes this.
    02-29-2016 06:17 PM
  25. ML10's Avatar
    The ONLY reason for me to use W10M on my 640 is the universal support for voice-to-text in every app. Just couldn't live with having to type in whatsapp in WP8.1.
    Did you hard reset when you installed? I want to update my 640 but without a hard reset...
    02-29-2016 06:44 PM
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