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  1. Chintan Gohel's Avatar

    For me there's one simple reason - Synology NAS.

    My storage and media at home (which is a huge collection) is on a Synology NAS and that's not about to change. Fact is that even though Synology has apps for Windows Phone/Mobile, they're crippled compared to their iOS and Android counterparts. You can use the apps so well to manage and interact with the NAS.

    I've been waiting forever for some decent updates in functionality etc, but they never come. Updates come, but it's mostly just small bug fixes etc.

    I've got an Android phone for work, and I hate it - it's like a toy, fragmented as hell - you never know where a setting is to be found, home screens are a mess - I just can't find myself in it.

    I think iOS is boring and unspectacular, but it gets it done well, and clean - and it takes pretty good pictures in the meantime too.

    So, it's not the app gap in and of itself (though there are some things missing I'd like), but rather the lack of support for a very specific hardware solution I'm invested in, which is likely to finally put the nail in the coffin of Windows Phone/Mobile for me.

    Shame really....

    PS: Synology, if you're reading this, PLEASE PLEASE provide a decent upgrade for your Windows Mobile users.
    Have you contacted the team behind Synology? About creating a UWP app?
    07-28-2016 04:34 AM
  2. melhiore's Avatar
    Well, it looks like I am going to bump this 1% to 1.00000000001% as I am moving from Android to Windows phone. Brought 640 as a replacement for broken Android phone, used it for a while and got my mended phone back. I did love 640 interface, clean and functional. I could not case less if Snapchat is there or not. I am so called older generation. I need the phone to do my job and 640 was great... Level of integration with my desktop is great, all I need from the phone is there and it just works, love battery life (two, three days with my usage). Android compared to Windows 10 is a mess...

    I am already migrating all my stuff to Outlook/Windows/OneNote etc. 950XL Dual SIM is coming... My 640 will be flying to my mum. She decided to have her first smartphone and after seeing my 640 she decided to get one so for herself...

    I was using PocketPC for a long time. It is nice to be back on Windows phone again...
    07-29-2016 02:07 PM
  3. Chintan Gohel's Avatar
    Well, it looks like I am going to bump this 1% to 1.00000000001% as I am moving from Android to Windows phone. Brought 640 as a replacement for broken Android phone, used it for a while and got my mended phone back. I did love 640 interface, clean and functional. I could not case less if Snapchat is there or not. I am so called older generation. I need the phone to do my job and 640 was great... Level of integration with my desktop is great, all I need from the phone is there and it just works, love battery life (two, three days with my usage). Android compared to Windows 10 is a mess...

    I am already migrating all my stuff to Outlook/Windows/OneNote etc. 950XL Dual SIM is coming... My 640 will be flying to my mum. She decided to have her first smartphone and after seeing my 640 she decided to get one so for herself...

    I was using PocketPC for a long time. It is nice to be back on Windows phone again...
    welcome back to the family and nice to see you're getting your mum on the wagon too
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    07-30-2016 06:49 AM
  4. InspectHerGadget's Avatar
    I've pretty well lost interest in Windows Phone. It has become a vestigial remnant in the world of Phones, like a dog that tries to bury a poo with a few random kicks of it's rear leg, it is an almost extinct response to competition.

    I really don't understand why Microsoft just don't shoot the horse rather than killing it by a thousand cuts.

    I keep my Nokia 1520 just in case a breeze catches the embers and the fire catches again but it won't happen under Nadella.

    I think his strategy for Windows Phone is pathetic.

    I meanwhile use an iPhone 6S Plus which is great.
    07-30-2016 10:53 PM
  5. cba191's Avatar
    I loved 950XL, I love my 1520 more. I love the interface. I love almost everything about it. The problem is all the cool things that apple and android can do that I can only dream about. Samsung Pay looks cool. I want to be able to do home automation. There are these cool things that come out, but I know they won't work for me. Nest? no. Ecobee? No. Pokmon Go? No. I would have tried it, maybe. Final Fantasy 7? Absolutely want it. No.
    It's just gotten too frustrating. I've been on the windows train since my HTC Tilt. I did briefly have a 3GS, but traded it for a Samsung Focus. I do want Windows to succeed. I love the OS. It just doesn't do the things I need/want it to do.
    I sold my 950XL, and should be getting a new Samsung 7s Edge Monday. I hope I like it, but I know that it won't have the same feel as Windows. I felt that I need to go with a drop dead sexy phone to make up for it.
    07-31-2016 02:24 AM
  6. InspectHerGadget's Avatar
    The S7 Edge should keep you happy. I had an S6, excellent except for battery life. Yup lots of apps, fast and excellent screen.

    Maybe one day we will all use WP again...or maybe not
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    07-31-2016 05:06 AM
  7. Chintan Gohel's Avatar
    I've pretty well lost interest in Windows Phone. It has become a vestigial remnant in the world of Phones, like a dog that tries to bury a poo with a few random kicks of it's rear leg, it is an almost extinct response to competition.

    I really don't understand why Microsoft just don't shoot the horse rather than killing it by a thousand cuts.

    I keep my Nokia 1520 just in case a breeze catches the embers and the fire catches again but it won't happen under Nadella.

    I think his strategy for Windows Phone is pathetic.

    I meanwhile use an iPhone 6S Plus which is great.
    They can't and won't get rid of windows mobile because it's part of the windows 10 family. They need it running so that the whole system can be complete. Updates are being released every month, bugs are being squashed, features are being added at a rapid pace -all this cannot mean that the mobile arm is dying
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    08-01-2016 08:21 AM
  8. a5cent's Avatar
    ^ The tactical goal is to have an UWP capable option available at all form factors. That includes phones. IMHO that's the better way of describing the phone aspect of MS' strategy. For some people this is hard to understand, since it's a software centric strategy, which is comparatively abstract, particularly for folks who aren't accustomed to thinking beyond hardware sales.
    Last edited by a5cent; 08-02-2016 at 06:26 AM. Reason: spelling
    08-01-2016 08:39 AM
  9. KnuxSaw's Avatar
    I have stayed with windows phone since day one hoping that it would grow like how Xbox did. It started with no games and everyone said it would fail and now its a huge competitor. Mostly any apps I wanted were at least hopeful for windows phone and now even the apps the phone does have they have lost support. Some I need for my work schedule (kronos) and there is no hope for it coming out. I will keep my 950 just incase and because I like the continuum idea. It looks like any time windows releases something cool it is also for android and iPhone. Making there no reason to keep windows phone besides ui and loyalty. Oh and the camera is really nice but honestly the cameras on either system are pretty good now.
    08-01-2016 09:05 AM
  10. Grimwar's Avatar
    Plenty of doom and gloom everywhere. I've used Windows Mobile since 2003. Then Windows Phone from 2010. Then Windows 10 Mobile since day 1.

    There have been app gaps, there still are.
    There have been missing features like copy and paste.
    There have been bugs like random reboots.
    There has recently been Pokmon Go. I'm still here.

    If you've stayed with Microsoft's mobile operating system for a long time and are seeing yourself as one who will still be here till the last Windows Phone is sat on the shelf, why? What keeps you from "jumping ship"?

    My reasons are: I'm too far, too deep invested into the ecosystem. I'm sold on the one ecosystem dream. I always back the underdog. You?
    It was Windows 8 when i joined the mobile phone and i fell in love with the tiles start screen from day one.
    i'am a rebel.
    I love Bill Gates.
    I love Windows.
    I love Windows 10 on all Devices.
    I Hate ios
    I hate Lollypop
    I like playing Games
    1987 i bought a Windows IBM PC
    DID i Say i Love Bill Gates
    i like DOS
    I LIKE!!!!
    i think i'm drooling now
    GIVE ME MORE REDSTONE HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
    08-01-2016 09:30 PM
  11. Nokia_Lumia's Avatar
    Really liked Windows Mobile, the old "Android". Didn't like Windows Phone 7 at first, but it grew on me. Loved the Nokia design, amazing camera, and enhanced capabilities of Windows Phone 8 vs. 7. Was very impressed with 8.1, and even bought an 8.1 RT 2520 Nokia tablet, also being in love with the design, colors, and the smoothness of the OS. My love evolved for sure, but I just cannot bring myself to like Windows 10. It is buggy, unstable, and ugly compared to 8.1. It is unfortunate that instead of a polished product we have a continuous beta test. And what happened to the wonderful Nokia designs? I guess the current products are from their pipeline, and there is no reason to blame Microsoft.
    08-01-2016 10:02 PM
  12. Grimwar's Avatar
    ^ The tactical goal is to have an UWP capable option available at all form factors. That includes phones. IMHO that's the better way of describing the phone aspect of MS' strategy. For some people this is hard to understand, since it's a software centric strategy, which is comparatively abstract, particularly for folks who aren't accustomed to thinking beyond hardware sales.
    I love you too a5cent? Well sorry no i love Bill More :)
    Yes you said it so clear, It's the software link or for Windows 10 the complete link!
    One Ring too rule.......i know Cortana is Evil
    08-01-2016 10:31 PM
  13. GazH71's Avatar
    My first phone was an iPhone 4S and wow, I couldn't get rid of that thing quick enough. As soon as the contract was up I sold it on eBay and moved to my current Lumia 640XL. I was a bit meh with 8.1 but W10M is just fantastic, I love the integration with the PC. But that's where my new problem has arisen from. Who the hell is making the decisions at Microsoft's mobile division?

    They had the perfect selling point there, the way the phone and the desktop work together, the new anniversary edition adding the ability to get notifications from the phone and reply to text messages, etc. But instead of making it purely a Windows thing, where people would need a Windows Phone to be able to get that link, they instead add the whole thing to Cortana and hand it out like candy to the Android and iOS users. What the..?

    I've signed up to the subscription for Groove Music, I get all my music from the desktop onto the phone and vice versa, but you can get the Groove app on Android and iOS too. I purchase movies from the store, same deal there. Windows Store apps? I can get the same apps and more on Android or iOS.

    I just don't get it. Did someone say, "Here, Microsoft, take this gun.. oh, and this foot of yours.. yeah, you know what to do.". If they want to sell more mobile devices they need to make a reason for people to purchase those mobile devices. If they're giving every other damn mobile device in the universe the same perks as the Windows Phone, what do they expect? They're never going to get over that 1% share.

    The integration between desktop and mobile was the perfect selling point and they've just given that away. Madness.

    That said, I'm sticking with WIndows Mobile because I hate the iOS and Android looks like an ugly cluttered mess of icons and menus. Here's hoping Microsoft actually realise they have their own devices to sell, not just the software.
    08-02-2016 01:23 AM
  14. Chintan Gohel's Avatar
    My first phone was an iPhone 4S and wow, I couldn't get rid of that thing quick enough. As soon as the contract was up I sold it on eBay and moved to my current Lumia 640XL. I was a bit meh with 8.1 but W10M is just fantastic, I love the integration with the PC. But that's where my new problem has arisen from. Who the hell is making the decisions at Microsoft's mobile division?

    They had the perfect selling point there, the way the phone and the desktop work together, the new anniversary edition adding the ability to get notifications from the phone and reply to text messages, etc. But instead of making it purely a Windows thing, where people would need a Windows Phone to be able to get that link, they instead add the whole thing to Cortana and hand it out like candy to the Android and iOS users. What the..?

    I've signed up to the subscription for Groove Music, I get all my music from the desktop onto the phone and vice versa, but you can get the Groove app on Android and iOS too. I purchase movies from the store, same deal there. Windows Store apps? I can get the same apps and more on Android or iOS.

    I just don't get it. Did someone say, "Here, Microsoft, take this gun.. oh, and this foot of yours.. yeah, you know what to do.". If they want to sell more mobile devices they need to make a reason for people to purchase those mobile devices. If they're giving every other damn mobile device in the universe the same perks as the Windows Phone, what do they expect? They're never going to get over that 1% share.

    The integration between desktop and mobile was the perfect selling point and they've just given that away. Madness.

    That said, I'm sticking with WIndows Mobile because I hate the iOS and Android looks like an ugly cluttered mess of icons and menus. Here's hoping Microsoft actually realise they have their own devices to sell, not just the software.

    In brief, MS gets money and visibility by having apps across all systems and not just exclusive to MS products only. MS knows that even if they kept all MS apps exclusive to the windows products only, it still wouldn't bring in new users since ios or android users will claim the lack of apps such as the google ecosystem or games or obscure apps. So better to have office mobile running on over 300 million mobile devices than on 3 million windows mobile devices. It's also about data gathering and research
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    08-02-2016 02:39 AM
  15. Chintan Gohel's Avatar
    At present stage, MS is not about hardware but dominantly about software and it always has been about software. MS wants their software to be used by as many people as possible and that means having applications and software available for all systems, regardless of who the competition is. What's the share of MS in the 2 in 1s market? Can we complain when an ipad or an android tablet has word or powerpoint when we know these bring revenue to MS?
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    08-02-2016 03:02 AM
  16. a5cent's Avatar
    I love you too a5cent? Well sorry no i love Bill More :)
    Damnit! I knew this was gonna be my bad luck day. So, who's Bill More?
    08-02-2016 06:33 AM
  17. libra89's Avatar
    At present stage, MS is not about hardware but dominantly about software and it always has been about software. MS wants their software to be used by as many people as possible and that means having applications and software available for all systems, regardless of who the competition is. What's the share of MS in the 2 in 1s market? Can we complain when an ipad or an android tablet has word or powerpoint when we know these bring revenue to MS?
    This.
    Can't forget that Microsoft is really a software company first. For reference, Cortana kind of sucks on iOS, so I have it installed, but I never really use it. Cortana on Android is better, but not better than it on Windows Mobile.
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    08-02-2016 07:55 AM
  18. theefman's Avatar
    ^ The tactical goal is to have an UWP capable option available at all form factors. That includes phones. IMHO that's the better way of describing the phone aspect of MS' strategy. For some people this is hard to understand, since it's a software centric strategy, which is comparatively abstract, particularly for folks who aren't accustomed to thinking beyond hardware sales.
    But how does that strategy work when there is no significant hardware install base, which is the way things are going now as Microsoft withdraws from their dominant position? Do we really expect Microsoft to continue to develop the software for a practically non existent userbase? That work involves expending resources to develop, test, and support and the software is now free so there is no direct revenue stream to make that worthwhile. They may be taking a software centric approach but software runs on hardware, so we cant ignore it when the available hardware is declining significantly at an ever increasing rate.

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    08-02-2016 08:03 AM
  19. Chintan Gohel's Avatar
    This.
    Can't forget that Microsoft is really a software company first. For reference, Cortana kind of sucks on iOS, so I have it installed, but I never really use it. Cortana on Android is better, but not better than it on Windows Mobile.
    Others may differ with you on Cortana on windows

    The current strategy seems that MS wants other phone companies to develop their own phones for W10M as opposed to MS doing it themselves. Let's be realistic, if you just have one manufacturer of a phone that uses windows, the kinds of phones you get will severely limited. But having at least a dozen manufacturers developing and selling the phones will result in a higher variety and more chance of unique features
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    08-02-2016 08:10 AM
  20. a5cent's Avatar
    But how does that strategy work when there is no significant hardware install base, which is the way things are going now as Microsoft withdraws from their dominant position? Do we really expect Microsoft to continue to develop the software for a practically non existent userbase? That work involves expending resources to develop, test, and support and the software is now free so there is no direct revenue stream to make that worthwhile. They may be taking a software centric approach but software runs on hardware, so we cant ignore it when the available hardware is declining significantly at an ever increasing rate.
    I started working on an answer to your post and soon realized I'd have to write an article to really make my point... which I'm far too lazy for. Maybe if WCentral decided to pay me for it ;-)

    I do think there are viable enterprise-developer focused approaches where MS could reasonably ignore market share and the selection of hardware afforded to consumers, with it still being reasonable for MS to continue making significant investments into W10M. Would Terry Myerson pursue such an approach? I have no idea. I've already sent him dozens of pictures with puppys and kittens that will "get it" if he doesn't spill the beans, but he's apparently without a heart ;-)
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    08-02-2016 11:59 AM
  21. Shamshi-Adad's Avatar
    They can't and won't get rid of windows mobile because it's part of the windows 10 family. They need it running so that the whole system can be complete. Updates are being released every month, bugs are being squashed, features are being added at a rapid pace -all this cannot mean that the mobile arm is dying
    YESSSS !!!!!!!

    Peace. Alan
    MS Lumia ICON 929 [Win10 M, Insider Preview, Redstone 14393.5]
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    08-02-2016 12:16 PM
  22. Kimmo Toivanen's Avatar
    Others may differ with you on Cortana on windows
    Cortana, base for advanced functionality in W10, available ... Well, the list of countries where it works is more miserable than soaking wet cat ;)
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    08-02-2016 12:23 PM
  23. PGrey's Avatar
    ^ The tactical goal is to have an UWP capable option available at all form factors. That includes phones. IMHO that's the better way of describing the phone aspect of MS' strategy. For some people this is hard to understand, since it's a software centric strategy, which is comparatively abstract, particularly for folks who aren't accustomed to thinking beyond hardware sales.
    This. An excellent summary, of the ecosystem as a "whole", which is how MS views it, and will continue to implement it. They're invested in the end-to-end, and I don't see it changing anytime soon.
    Thinking of Windows as an abstract layer on top of various h/w makes this simpler, as a5cent has noted.
    If mobile starts to gain ground, well that's even better, but either way, it will persist for the foreseeable future.
    08-02-2016 02:08 PM
  24. PGrey's Avatar
    Others may differ with you on Cortana on windows

    The current strategy seems that MS wants other phone companies to develop their own phones for W10M as opposed to MS doing it themselves. Let's be realistic, if you just have one manufacturer of a phone that uses windows, the kinds of phones you get will severely limited. But having at least a dozen manufacturers developing and selling the phones will result in a higher variety and more chance of unique features
    Yes! The competition will hopefully enrich things again, now.

    Yeah, I have a good example here, in terms of Cortana.

    I used to work on a bunch of voice components at a key voice implementer, and owned a bunch of agents, or areas of voice technology (it's all insanely more complex than most can imagine, believe me...), both as a tech PM and development lead.
    Anyway, Cortana on 8.x was my "gold standard" to test against, even a couple of years back, it almost always beat out our agents. I can't say who it was (it's a background co. anyway, most don't know it), but I will say it's on a lot more phone devices than Cortana.
    I LOVE to pull out my Windows phone, and say "let's see what Cortana will do" when everyone is pulling out their Apple, Samsung, LG, whatever phones. Cortana almost always wins, hands-down.
    I don't know why MS doesn't do a better job of telling the world about this fact, it truly baffles me.
    08-02-2016 02:15 PM
  25. Chintan Gohel's Avatar
    I LOVE to pull out my Windows phone, and say "let's see what Cortana will do" when everyone is pulling out their Apple, Samsung, LG, whatever phones. Cortana almost always wins, hands-down.
    I don't know why MS doesn't do a better job of telling the world about this fact, it truly baffles me.
    I think they are doing this, through the pc though
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    08-03-2016 07:23 AM
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