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  1. Guytronic's Avatar
    So how many here never look in the Windows store?
    Last edited by Guytronic; 04-20-2017 at 01:36 PM.
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    04-19-2017 02:52 PM
  2. Drael646464's Avatar
    So how many here never look in Windows store?
    I often wonder that of the critics. Someone said in a thread earlier today "Facebook is ancient and has never been updated". Um, the current facebook app, is their official app, its very recent, and its directly ported from iOS.

    Sometimes it feels like people are talking about the state of the windows store, three years ago when they last looked in the store.

    It does often seem odd, that an empirically rapidly growing store, with more big title representation than it had under 8.1, and a lot more apps, even compared with 1 year ago, has people saying "the apps are dwindling, developers are all leaving!".

    Even one of the editors of this website makes statements like this.

    I regularly have been into the store for the last few years, and I use UWP apps all the time, and statements (such as developers are leaving! OMG!) like those of many here just leave me totally stratching my head - how does that match with observable reality?

    If developers are leaving, why are there more great new big apps and games than there was? How is it getting better at the same time as all these developers are supposed leaving? _Which_ developers? Ie any actual specific examples to back up these extraordinary claims?

    And just...

    huh?

    It's a bit like when so many claim essentially 0% marketshare. It's currently 2-6% in mature markets like the US, UK, Europe, Australia. Which is hardly insubstantial. That's a lot more than apple had of desktop marketshare before it rebounded and because the worlds biggest tech giant.

    It would be nice if people started looking, and stopped repeating because frankly, it's pretty darn weird.
    Last edited by Drael646464; 04-20-2017 at 06:27 AM.
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    04-20-2017 06:07 AM
  3. Dmd74's Avatar
    The app gap may be the final nail in the coffin for WM now. But 3 or 4 years ago, the biggest problem in my opinion was that Microsoft apparently never incentivized the carrier store sales people to push the platform. I dealt with a number of them, as most of friends and family members were using Windows phones at time (I'm one of the few left!) At both AT&T and Verizon, with only one or two exceptions, the sales person always tried to steer me to either an iPhone or android instead, when I specifically asked to see a Windows phone. In the Verizon store, she as much as ridiculed me, saying that WP was terrible and hard to use, and why would I want one?





    You almost had to insist to even get to see one, as some stores didn't have them on display. Is it any wonder they never gained popularity? Big fail, Microsoft.
    Whole heartedly agree.
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    04-20-2017 07:22 PM
  4. peter32's Avatar
    Lack of apps may not be a reason for a falling OS. My wife has been using pureview 808 until rather recently, when the third party whatsapps apps no longer works. She continues to use the phone because of its great camera, and to a great extent, a stable OS. Its battery lasts quite a long time despite the age of the phone.

    Windows phone, however, fails to address some fundamental problem. One of them is the battery life, which, given time, user will get fed up of its use. I had used 1020 in the past with battery drain issue which Microsoft never actually addressed. Should that was sorted, I would be using it till this day. Nonetheless I stopped using the phone after I dropped that in a monsoon drain for good. Its the bad battery drain that stopped me from buying another 1020 no matter how good the camera was.

    In short, for me, its the poor OS support that put me off Windows phone platform. Apps actually came second.
    04-28-2017 12:21 AM
  5. Drael646464's Avatar
    Lack of apps may not be a reason for a falling OS. My wife has been using pureview 808 until rather recently, when the third party whatsapps apps no longer works. She continues to use the phone because of its great camera, and to a great extent, a stable OS. Its battery lasts quite a long time despite the age of the phone.

    Windows phone, however, fails to address some fundamental problem. One of them is the battery life, which, given time, user will get fed up of its use. I had used 1020 in the past with battery drain issue which Microsoft never actually addressed. Should that was sorted, I would be using it till this day. Nonetheless I stopped using the phone after I dropped that in a monsoon drain for good. Its the bad battery drain that stopped me from buying another 1020 no matter how good the camera was.

    In short, for me, its the poor OS support that put me off Windows phone platform. Apps actually came second.
    I'm inclined to think that's more a problem of "Lumia released too many phones". The list of phone models is INSANE, especially for such a niche market. How anyone is expected to support all those hardware models is beyond me. When I saw the full list on this site, I was kind of like "say whut?"
    04-28-2017 03:12 AM
  6. Drael646464's Avatar
    It's like they were trying to build an entire market, every niche of phone, using just one company that never generated enough profit to even slightly warrant that approach.

    A sort of "throw money at it and it'll all fall into place" mentality. I don't know if even Samsung made that many phones in that time period, did they? I can see why shareholders look at all that and shake their heads.
    04-28-2017 03:37 AM
  7. jack69453's Avatar
    I'm a technician by practice, so I like facts and numbers.

    The issue with windows phone is apps and Microsoft's attitude.

    For those who wonder whether Samsung released a lot of phones and others who say that there were just too many Lumia phones. Please visit GSMArena and use the phone finder.

    Samsung release 271 phones between 2010 and 2015. And those were only the ones running android. The grand total of all OSs is 451. So yeah tell me about how hard it is to support phones. Microsoft in that same period released 24. Nokia; 148. I chose that time period because that was the time when we had Nokia functioning for comparison.

    Note that this is the time period when Nokia was still releasing phones with multiple OS and held a significant market share.

    The issue for the demise of WP is Microsoft. Not enough phones, no advertising, constant changes and cancelations which killed developer confidence. Lack of consistency and methods led to a lack of apps released.

    Nokia was releasing phones and market share was growing. They purchased the leading manufacturer of hardware for their OS and then effectively shutdown the manufacturing.

    So slow app release, slow phone release, no developer confidence. Systematic slaughter.

    Plain and simple, the result is what we see today.

    PS>> Phones are not a niche market. They are not developed for any specific class, process or function.
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    04-28-2017 12:41 PM
  8. Drael646464's Avatar
    I'm a technician by practice, so I like facts and numbers.

    The issue with windows phone is apps and Microsoft's attitude.

    For those who wonder whether Samsung released a lot of phones and others who say that there were just too many Lumia phones. Please visit GSMArena and use the phone finder.

    Samsung release 271 phones between 2010 and 2015. And those were only the ones running android. The grand total of all OSs is 451. So yeah tell me about how hard it is to support phones. Microsoft in that same period released 24. Nokia; 148. I chose that time period because that was the time when we had Nokia functioning for comparison.

    Note that this is the time period when Nokia was still releasing phones with multiple OS and held a significant market share.

    The issue for the demise of WP is Microsoft. Not enough phones, no advertising, constant changes and cancelations which killed developer confidence. Lack of consistency and methods led to a lack of apps released.

    Nokia was releasing phones and market share was growing. They purchased the leading manufacturer of hardware for their OS and then effectively shutdown the manufacturing.

    So slow app release, slow phone release, no developer confidence. Systematic slaughter.

    Plain and simple, the result is what we see today.

    PS>> Phones are not a niche market. They are not developed for any specific class, process or function.
    I guess I am "someone" as well as "someone else". I won't tell you what you asked me to tell you. Instead;

    I'm sorry you are bad about windows 10 mobile. Hope that feels a bit better to get all that off your chest.

    Myself, I'm going to buy my first one in about a month. I'm quite familiar with the app situation because I am a huge app user and a tablet fan. Not a lot of mobile specific apps, but a lot of cross-platform functionality ones, more every day (more than the amazon app store). All the social apps I use, and some great bus stop games in there.

    Going to be fun. And it's going to feel _so_ good to completely dodge google/apple and the obnoxious way they treat their customers.
    Last edited by Drael646464; 04-28-2017 at 11:23 PM.
    04-28-2017 10:57 PM
  9. neeraj121y's Avatar
    No they never looked stylish and impressive
    04-29-2017 04:11 AM
  10. Drael646464's Avatar
    No they never looked stylish and impressive
    Just so we are clear, what is supposed to "look stylish and impressive" and doesn't?
    04-29-2017 05:13 AM
  11. maya77's Avatar
    Is lack of apps the real WP problem?
    I think the main problem is lack of devices.

    More devices = more users = more coders interested to write UWP apps.

    BTW: Whoops. Millions of Android phones are wide open to hackers
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    04-29-2017 05:24 AM
  12. Joe920's Avatar
    A real windows phone should be able to do things that an android phone can't
    I know you're talking about hardware, but I think it's also true for the OS. MS has removed lots of handy little tricks that other phones don't have citing "lack of use". Things like an integrated QR code reader in search/Cortana, kids corner, etc. It make sense that they made the app experience more in line with android and iOS (bye bye pivots), but why remove all the neat little tricks that could peek other users' interest?
    04-29-2017 08:48 AM
  13. a5cent's Avatar
    It make sense that they made the app experience more in line with android and iOS (bye bye pivots)
    I disagree. It would have made sense if Islandwood or Astoria were ever brought to market in a way that works. It would also have made sense if more people used Xamarin for UI development (almost nobody does).

    None of those things are relevant, meaning Metro was sacrificed with absolutely nothing to show for it.

    Not only should MS have stuck to the basic Metro principles, but expanded upon and refined them. Metro was certainly not perfect. For example, compacting the UI so as to raise information density was absolutely necessary. However, the principles underlying the Metro UI design language (not necessarily the implementation), were by far the best of any mobile OS. Had MS stuck with them, then W10M would still have something to differentiate itself from the competition.

    The only remnant of Metro we can still find in W10M is the "coloring", basically, the system wide support for a dark theme.
    04-29-2017 05:27 PM
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