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  1. mflotron's Avatar
    Some devs were interviewed about this, and they say that its not worth it, mainly because:

    • it is already easy to port, the problem is the manteinance and support
    • the low market share don't woth the effort


    Sorry, not allowed yet to post links because i'm new

    LINK tip: mashable com TITLE How developers really feel about Microsoft welcoming iOS and Android
    Last edited by mflotron; 04-30-2015 at 01:17 PM.
    04-30-2015 10:06 AM
  2. Narciso Neto's Avatar
    Some devs were interviewed about this, and they say that its not worth it, mainly because:

    • it is already easy to port, the problem is the manteinance and support
    • the low market share don't woth the effort
    Did any of these developers has actually put their hands on those tools? No. When they test it, they can have an impression about it and choose to use it or not.
    BTW, where did you found those "interviews" with these "developers"?
    04-30-2015 10:34 AM
  3. Legoboyii's Avatar
    Did any of these developers has actually put their hands on those tools? No. When they test it, they can have an impression about it and choose to use it or not.
    BTW, where did you found those "interviews" with these "developers"?
    He is probably just trying to start a flame war or something. Pathetic beyond measure
    04-30-2015 10:37 AM
  4. Torcher Death's Avatar
    Some devs were interviewed about this, and they say that its not worth it, mainly because:

    • it is already easy to port, the problem is the manteinance and support
    • the low market share don't woth the effort
    Links to these interviews please. As for whether devs will take up MS' offer of making apps, its still too early, but am sure once windows 10 is officially released, we'll be seeing more apps.
    And for everyone who keeps saying low market share, it may be just 3% but even that 3% comprises over 50m phones & now with universal apps spanning PCs where Windows holds majority, the market share argument stands null & void.
    04-30-2015 10:44 AM
  5. Guzzler3's Avatar
    The big question is with these new features in Visual Studio is.. Can one take an Android app to Windows and to iOS? or iOS to Windows and Android? or Windows to Android and iOS? Or all the above?

    The reason is simply money. Think about it, if it's easy to port to all platforms think of all the possible additional revenue generated from one app on all three platforms, and if it's quick and easy to do the porting, the time (i.e. money) saved. Granted, the addition of Windows at this time, won't be huge, but there is an old saying "Count your pennies, and your dollars will add up." each additional purchase on whatever platform adds up nicely.
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    04-30-2015 11:05 AM
  6. a5cent's Avatar
    I don't doubt you're honesty OP, but for claims like this, providing links to the developer interviews is mandatory. Otherwise we'll soon be starting the countdown to this thread's closure.
    04-30-2015 11:16 AM
  7. Legoboyii's Avatar
    I don't doubt you're honesty OP, but for claims like this providing your sources is mandatory. Otherwise we'll soon be starting the countdown to this thread's closure.
    The new Visual Studio, you could make an app and deliver to all three from it if you should wish todo so.
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    04-30-2015 11:17 AM
  8. a5cent's Avatar
    The new Visual Studio, you could make an app and deliver to all three from it if you should wish todo so.
    No idea what you're trying to tell me.

    Is it not clear that I'm asking for links to the developer interviews?
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    04-30-2015 11:20 AM
  9. KarmaEcrivain94's Avatar
    Some devs were interviewed about this, and they say that its not worth it, mainly because:

    • it is already easy to port, the problem is the manteinance and support
    • the low market share don't woth the effort
    Links, or at least sources please. The mode are going to shut this down otherwise.
    04-30-2015 11:23 AM
  10. DancingDave's Avatar
    Well, there are also a lot of companies that already have Windows Phone apps but decided to not develop them further because of lack of marketshare. These companies don't need to invest to port the app from Android/iOS. They just need to maintain them and apparently that's already not worth it for them.

    Plus there are too many low budget phones IMHO. People with low budget phones buy way less apps than people with flagship phones.

    DeHoDev once published some interesting statistics in a German forum regarding his famous app "Bahn Connector": While in Germany back then the Lumia 520 was the most sold phone, it was only on 15th spot when it came to app purchases. On the first spots there were the Lumia 920, 925, 825 and Samsung Ativ S.

    In more exact numbers: The Lumia 520 had around 30% marketshare back then, but was only responsible for 1,5% of the app purchases.
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    04-30-2015 11:35 AM
  11. Nogitsune Micah's Avatar
    While I call Skepticism on the OP, people do seem to forget that they do quote low marketshare being the reason they don't do apps for WIndows.

    So if the marketshare is STILL low...even if you are being paid to make it, even they do make it, it is not a guarantee they'd support it and then eventually remove it and we'd be in square one.

    This whole idea would've been better if developer's were complaining mostly about the effort it takes to make Windows app. The low marketshare is precisely why.
    04-30-2015 11:40 AM
  12. EBUK's Avatar
    BTW, where did you found those "interviews" with these "developers"?
    Here's one for you:
    How developers really feel about Microsoft welcoming iOS and Android
    04-30-2015 12:03 PM
  13. KarmaEcrivain94's Avatar
    Ok, I'il admit that's scary.
    I wish all devs could just tell themselves that if they dev for wp, that means, more users, so their effort will have been totally worth it.
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    04-30-2015 12:17 PM
  14. jlzimmerman's Avatar
    Almost every twitter response cited in that article specifies Windows Phone and ignores the Windows 10 overall footprint. One developer stated that there is still not a big enough user base. A billion potential customers with W10 is not big enough?

    With that said, this mashable article can be easily subjective. Anyone can scour twitter and cherry pick positive or negative comments about any topic.
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    04-30-2015 12:35 PM
  15. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    Almost every twitter response cited in that article specifies Windows Phone and ignores the Windows 10 overall footprint. One developer stated that there is still not a big enough user base. A billion potential customers with W10 is not big enough?

    With that said, this mashable article can be easily subjective. Anyone can scour twitter and cherry pick positive or negative comments about any topic.
    I think it depends on the app. Many apps would not have a purpose on desktops and tablets, but would only serve a purpose on smartphones. Other apps could be useful on all form factors.

    Sent from my Nexus 7 (2013) using Tapatalk
    04-30-2015 12:59 PM
  16. ohgood's Avatar
    tom (developer) has a mature app (3rd revision/generation/whatever) and about 750,000 sales. maybe a million. whatever.


    he sees the news about microsoft wanting his app on their desktops/mobiles, and wonders how many more sales he can achieve by doing so.

    1 billion installed base x 10% = a nice big number. how many of those are actually using a mobile device though ? he can't find solid numbers of the mobile install base, and every article online shows sales are around 4% in the US. hmm, tom just decided to not start a brand new project of development, testing, publishing, and support for microsoft's new idea, until he sees some other people get on board.

    the catch22 of 'not enough userbase' is reaffirmed.



    please, paint a different scenario. i really want to see how developing a mobile app for that billion or so desktops translates into sales. i just can't imagine a mobile app being used on a desktop.
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    04-30-2015 12:59 PM
  17. DaveGx's Avatar
    Some devs were interviewed about this, and they say that its not worth it, mainly because:

    • it is already easy to port, the problem is the manteinance and support
    • the low market share don't woth the effort
    Friggin Android apps require more updates and maintenance. Android apps are updated so often its annoying, and I believe it has to do with updating so things work on new devices. The install base when you add in desktops and laptops will be huge. How could it not be worth the effort?
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    04-30-2015 01:06 PM
  18. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    Friggin Android apps require more updates and maintenance. Android apps are updated so often its annoying, and I believe it has to do with updating so things work on new devices. The install base when you add in desktops and laptops will be huge. How could it not be worth the effort?
    Some apps wouldn't be of any use on desktop Windows. Why would a store bother making a desktop app for scanning its loyalty card at the cash register to get reward points? If a desktop user simply wanted to check his or her points, he or she would use a browser to visit the website.

    Sent from my Nexus 7 (2013) using Tapatalk
    04-30-2015 01:09 PM
  19. mflotron's Avatar
    Links to these interviews please. As for whether devs will take up MS' offer of making apps, its still too early, but am sure once windows 10 is officially released, we'll be seeing more apps.
    And for everyone who keeps saying low market share, it may be just 3% but even that 3% comprises over 50m phones & now with universal apps spanning PCs where Windows holds majority, the market share argument stands null & void.
    I couldn't post the link because i need 6 more post to be allowed

    tips: mashable com TITLE How developers really feel about Microsoft welcoming iOS and Android
    04-30-2015 01:11 PM
  20. ashram's Avatar
    the devs at my job were like "that's bs, and who would want to develop on anything windows"

    let's see who they call the next time their macs break, as my reply would be "who would want to touch an apple product on purpose" as i work on my surface pro 2!
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    04-30-2015 01:12 PM
  21. elwin lobo's Avatar
    well this seems to be the problem.. the usual dislike for anything MS... if devs don't get onboard, then users will not get onboard either... however it could go either way.. in India for eg. Windows is doing pretty well and we have pretty great app support too...
    the low end strategy is working extremely well here....
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    04-30-2015 01:36 PM
  22. jlzimmerman's Avatar
    the devs at my job were like "that's bs, and who would want to develop on anything windows"

    let's see who they call the next time their macs break, as my reply would be "who would want to touch an apple product on purpose" as i work on my surface pro 2!
    Yeah, it is completely aggravating that regardless of how many users W/WP has, or how MS jumps over backwards, there are developers who will not touch it simply because MS just isn't, like, you know, cool. Tech bias runs deep these days.
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    04-30-2015 01:41 PM
  23. wokaz80's Avatar
    Yeah, it is completely aggravating that regardless of how many users W/WP has, or how MS jumps over backwards, there are developers who will not touch it simply because MS just isn't, like, you know, cool. Tech bias runs deep these days.
    i agree.
    alienware 13 looks far cooler than any macbook and i dont understand why tech people still consider macbook sexy while it looks the same every year. as for durability, any thinkpad (maybe except the edge ones) still trumps macbook too (and i owned a 2008 macbook white and 2012 macbook pro, so my statement isnt BS)

    as for software, tbh Windows > mac os x anytime. wont argue about iOS > WP but obviously mac os x isn't better than Windows. the design stays the same since Snow Leopard or even Leopard.
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    04-30-2015 01:46 PM
  24. ashram's Avatar
    well, a lot of people still see microsoft the way they were 5-10 years ago. what they don't see is that google now is more like that, where as MS as of late has been looking and feeling like the google of old. thry seem to be close minded, seeing this ability to compile their apps as a windows phone only thing as opposed to EVERYTHING windows. Phone to tablet to PC, to XBOX, to IOT to Hololens to whatever MS may be cooking! They don't see the potential and seem to want to stay mobile only on ios and android.
    04-30-2015 01:48 PM
  25. Torcher Death's Avatar
    well this seems to be the problem.. the usual dislike for anything MS... if devs don't get onboard, then users will not get onboard either... however it could go either way.. in India for eg. Windows is doing pretty well and we have pretty great app support too...
    the low end strategy is working extremely well here....
    This is good for free & ad based apps, but the problem is the iOS & Android devs, after having seen big bucks at the other stores, feel there isn't much to be made from WP, cause majority here are on budget sets & are cheapskates (I plead guilty).
    Now this is another reason as to why a flagship is required. Not just to show off the OS in all its glory, but also to prove that it can cater to all strata of users from the lowest of the low to the premium class.
    04-30-2015 01:50 PM
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