[Nikolay Bychinskiy]

I'm using Insider Preview 10166 on my Lumia 1020 and just noticed something. Default camera app does not capture raw and there is no Lumia Camera app in the store. In older versions of Insider Preview I could download Lumia Camera, but now it's not available. Is there any way to capture raw? It's the reason why I got L1020 in the first place, are they going to remove it?

[Microsoftjunkie]

Search for it through Bing and it will show.

[Harrie-S]

I have the 930 on 10166 and the lumia camera still has DNG so it is not "gone" the only "problem" is that on this build is that lumia apps can not be found in the store.

[Slovenix]

It's still there in the picture options for me on the Lumia Camera app with W10, downloaded fine.

[Nikolay Bychinskiy]

Lumia 930 has a different Lumia Camera app. Lumia 1020 uses v4.x, Lumia 930 is on v5.x. It seems they removed LC from the store because new Windows Camera is basically the same app as LC, but it doesn't have some features, like dual capture and raw capture. And to the first answer - no it won't help. It will show result from the old store, but! You can't install it from there - directly installing XAP doesn't work like in WP8.1 (Store - Local apps) - because it requires app to be in the store, and I can't sideload it, because it's encrypted Store XAP file. And opening Store page in browser also doesn't help, because it's old store and it doesn't open Store app.

[Slovenix]

What about searching for it on the website, download it's xapp and then install it on your phone with sideloading it. You much check it in the options under "For developers"

[Nikolay Bychinskiy]

No it's not.
Maybe on L930 or L1520 it is. But I'm asking about L1020, I don't care about others. I'm already tired of L930/L1520 getting all camera features, while camera flagship doesn't get anything and now they are removing features?

[Slovenix]

Lumia 930 has a different Lumia Camera app. Lumia 1020 uses v4.x, Lumia 930 is on v5.x. It seems they removed LC from the store because new Windows Camera is basically the same app as LC, but it doesn't have some features, like dual capture and raw capture. And to the first answer - no it won't help. It will show result from the old store, but! You can't install it from there - directly installing XAP doesn't work like in WP8.1 (Store - Local apps) - because it requires app to be in the store, and I can't sideload it, because it's encrypted Store XAP file. And opening Store page in browser also doesn't help, because it's old store and it doesn't open Store app.

Ahh so much complications

[Nikolay Bychinskiy]

As I said - you can't sideload store apps - they are encrypted. You can only sideload xap packages made with Visual Studio (which are basically just zip files).

[Harrie-S]

No it's not.
Maybe on L930 or L1520 it is. But I'm asking about L1020, I don't care about others. I'm already tired of L930/L1520 getting all camera features, while camera flagship doesn't get anything and now they are removing features?

I only wanted to help/tell you that if DNG is still in the 930 on w10 then there is no reason at all that it should disappear for the 1020.
But now I know how you think about help I will not try to help you again.

Good luck and goodbye.

[Slovenix]

I only wanted to help/tell you that if DNG is still in the 930 on w10 then there is no reason at all that it should disappear for the 1020.
But now I know how you think about help I will not try to help you again.

Good luck and goodbye.

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[Slovenix]

No it's not.
Maybe on L930 or L1520 it is. But I'm asking about L1020, I don't care about others. I'm already tired of L930/L1520 getting all camera features, while camera flagship doesn't get anything and now they are removing features?

It's just a preview, of course they will add all the missing and all the messed up features back when they make it work on every single device. It's not that easy, and it's pretty logical that they will first focus on their newer devices with NEW HARDWARE. It's a miracle that old phones gets updated at all by Microsoft, there is no such thing on a 2 years old phone with Android OEMs, not even Flagships, it doesn't matter.. Technology is moving forward.

And that old Snapdragon is simply not capable of capturing such massive pictures at the speed and amount as new Snapdragon processors. You can actually read about the processors and their capabilities on their website.

[Slovenix]

Even Snapdragon 800 in flagship Lumia's is barely enough for 4K video.

[Nikolay Bychinskiy]

I understand about processors, I'm a developer (and on my old work I even made a WP app, that they chose not to support after I left, because I was the single WP user, now they only have Android/iOS support). And I say - bull****. Yes, I understand why 4K is not supported - because without hardware support it's not possible to capture it at normal speed. I understand why it's not possible to start camera faster - it's limitation of hardware, even flashlight starts 3 seconds, because it waits for camera to initialize. What is beyond me - why did not they include RichCapture feature? It's just a software feature and phone is completely capable of processing multiple images. The only reason why they wouldn't include that is marketing bull****. Proof - Lumia SmartCam (some features of RichCapture) worked on L1020 and was introduced on L1020, but later it's features was removed and reintroduced as RichCapture in LC5. RichCapture is more capable, but it's still just algorithms that process several images.

[Nikolay Bychinskiy]

I only wanted to help/tell you that if DNG is still in the 930 on w10 then there is no reason at all that it should disappear for the 1020.
But now I know how you think about help I will not try to help you again.

Good luck and goodbye.

They already did that with RichCapture. Most of the features of RichCapture were already there in L1020 in the old Lumia Camera and before that in a separate app called Lumia SmartCam. Later it's features were removed.

Sorry that I hurt your feelings, but I'm already tired of Microsoft abandoning their camera flagship even before they introduce a new one. I waited for more than half a year for Denim after it was available on 930. I didn't complain that I didn't have RichCapture even though I knew it's just marketing bull****, but now they even removed the feature I bought this phone for.

[Slovenix]

I understand about processors, I'm a developer (and on my old work I even made a WP app, that they chose not to support after I left, because I was the single WP user, now they only have Android/iOS support). And I say - bull****. Yes, I understand why 4K is not supported - because without hardware support it's not possible to capture it at normal speed. I understand why it's not possible to start camera faster - it's limitation of hardware, even flashlight starts 3 seconds, because it waits for camera to initialize. What is beyond me - why did not they include RichCapture feature? It's just a software feature and phone is completely capable of processing multiple images. The only reason why they wouldn't include that is marketing bull****. Proof - Lumia SmartCam (some features of RichCapture) worked on L1020 and was introduced on L1020, but later it's features was removed and reintroduced as RichCapture in LC5. RichCapture is more capable, but it's still just algorithms that process several images.

Alright. Good to hear. Anyways, ProShot Camera may help. Your point is clearer after the proof :). Anyways I still think it should be there anytime. W10 store has some app issues for me too.

[Slovenix]

They already did that with RichCapture. Most of the features of RichCapture were already there in L1020 in the old Lumia Camera and before that in a separate app called Lumia SmartCam. Later it's features were removed.

Sorry that I hurt your feelings, but I'm already tired of Microsoft abandoning their camera flagship even before they introduce a new one. I waited for more than half a year for Denim after it was available on 930. I didn't complain that I didn't have RichCapture even though I knew it's just marketing bull****, but now they even removed the feature I bought this phone for.

Manual HDR - Rich capture made on PC software, is still better :P

[Nikolay Bychinskiy]

Yes, I use it with .dng, so I haven't complained about RichCapture, because everything can be done manually, the problem now that L1020 with W10 seem to lack dng capture. I hope it's temporary, but judging by their previous updates I wouldn't expect it.

[Slovenix]

Yes, I use it with .dng, so I haven't complained about RichCapture, because everything can be done manually, the problem now that L1020 with W10 seem to lack dng capture. I hope it's temporary, but judging by their previous updates I wouldn't expect it.

Ahhh I See.. I'm sure it will work tho.

[Nikolay Bychinskiy]

So it's confirmed now. They are removing Lumia Camera in favor of ****ty Windows Camera. Time to move to Android. I have lost all my faith in this piece of ****.

[CernT]

What and where is the confirmation?

[theefman]

My advice, which may not be practical for you, is keep your 1020 on WP 8.1 if its usage as a camera is important to you. My 1020 is now purely a camera because it still takes amazing pictures and I wont be updating it anymore. As I said, this may not work for you but it's clear that Microsoft has no plans to support the camera in the 1020 fully.

[Nikolay Bychinskiy]

I do not want to stay on the dead platform. At least even more dead than it is now. I was already left with a dead platform when they decided not to update WP7 to WP8, but I understood reasons. Now they just removed the app I needed without replacing it with anything. They removed most advertised features of L1020. So it's either live with dead phone with no apps (like WP7 now) or update to W10 and lose camera capabilities.

[mprebich]

@Nikolay, I feel your pain. I just last night put my L1020 back to W8.1 so that I could get all of the Lumia photography apps.

I'm a little disappointed, because I did like W10 on the 1020 and it worked very good on build 166 (except for the few Store issues remaining).

My opinion, L1020 on W8.1 with all the Lumia apps is still better than going android. And anyway, we are all now just waiting until we can upgrade to the 950/950XL : )

[webreid]

I downloaded ProShot. It's $2.99. Windows 10166 won't let you make it your default, but the app does allow you to set the resolution up to 38mb. I just pinned the tile (transparent available) to the start screen. No dual, and no raw but it's something for now. Hoping MS will fix this and allow L1020 users the full use of their cameras. It's why most of us bought them.