- I'm using Insider Preview 10166 on my Lumia 1020 and just noticed something. Default camera app does not capture raw and there is no Lumia Camera app in the store. In older versions of Insider Preview I could download Lumia Camera, but now it's not available. Is there any way to capture raw? It's the reason why I got L1020 in the first place, are they going to remove it?07-14-2015 11:30 AMLike 0
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- Lumia 930 has a different Lumia Camera app. Lumia 1020 uses v4.x, Lumia 930 is on v5.x. It seems they removed LC from the store because new Windows Camera is basically the same app as LC, but it doesn't have some features, like dual capture and raw capture. And to the first answer - no it won't help. It will show result from the old store, but! You can't install it from there - directly installing XAP doesn't work like in WP8.1 (Store - Local apps) - because it requires app to be in the store, and I can't sideload it, because it's encrypted Store XAP file. And opening Store page in browser also doesn't help, because it's old store and it doesn't open Store app.07-14-2015 11:55 AMLike 0
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- No it's not.
Maybe on L930 or L1520 it is. But I'm asking about L1020, I don't care about others. I'm already tired of L930/L1520 getting all camera features, while camera flagship doesn't get anything and now they are removing features?- Share
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Guytronic likes this.07-14-2015 12:01 PMLike 1 - Share
- Lumia 930 has a different Lumia Camera app. Lumia 1020 uses v4.x, Lumia 930 is on v5.x. It seems they removed LC from the store because new Windows Camera is basically the same app as LC, but it doesn't have some features, like dual capture and raw capture. And to the first answer - no it won't help. It will show result from the old store, but! You can't install it from there - directly installing XAP doesn't work like in WP8.1 (Store - Local apps) - because it requires app to be in the store, and I can't sideload it, because it's encrypted Store XAP file. And opening Store page in browser also doesn't help, because it's old store and it doesn't open Store app.07-14-2015 12:02 PMLike 0
- As I said - you can't sideload store apps - they are encrypted. You can only sideload xap packages made with Visual Studio (which are basically just zip files).07-14-2015 12:02 PMLike 0
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And that old Snapdragon is simply not capable of capturing such massive pictures at the speed and amount as new Snapdragon processors. You can actually read about the processors and their capabilities on their website.07-14-2015 05:11 PMLike 0 - I understand about processors, I'm a developer (and on my old work I even made a WP app, that they chose not to support after I left, because I was the single WP user, now they only have Android/iOS support). And I say - bull****. Yes, I understand why 4K is not supported - because without hardware support it's not possible to capture it at normal speed. I understand why it's not possible to start camera faster - it's limitation of hardware, even flashlight starts 3 seconds, because it waits for camera to initialize. What is beyond me - why did not they include RichCapture feature? It's just a software feature and phone is completely capable of processing multiple images. The only reason why they wouldn't include that is marketing bull****. Proof - Lumia SmartCam (some features of RichCapture) worked on L1020 and was introduced on L1020, but later it's features was removed and reintroduced as RichCapture in LC5. RichCapture is more capable, but it's still just algorithms that process several images.07-14-2015 09:48 PMLike 0
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Sorry that I hurt your feelings, but I'm already tired of Microsoft abandoning their camera flagship even before they introduce a new one. I waited for more than half a year for Denim after it was available on 930. I didn't complain that I didn't have RichCapture even though I knew it's just marketing bull****, but now they even removed the feature I bought this phone for.07-14-2015 09:57 PMLike 0 - I understand about processors, I'm a developer (and on my old work I even made a WP app, that they chose not to support after I left, because I was the single WP user, now they only have Android/iOS support). And I say - bull****. Yes, I understand why 4K is not supported - because without hardware support it's not possible to capture it at normal speed. I understand why it's not possible to start camera faster - it's limitation of hardware, even flashlight starts 3 seconds, because it waits for camera to initialize. What is beyond me - why did not they include RichCapture feature? It's just a software feature and phone is completely capable of processing multiple images. The only reason why they wouldn't include that is marketing bull****. Proof - Lumia SmartCam (some features of RichCapture) worked on L1020 and was introduced on L1020, but later it's features was removed and reintroduced as RichCapture in LC5. RichCapture is more capable, but it's still just algorithms that process several images.07-15-2015 12:47 AMLike 0
- They already did that with RichCapture. Most of the features of RichCapture were already there in L1020 in the old Lumia Camera and before that in a separate app called Lumia SmartCam. Later it's features were removed.
Sorry that I hurt your feelings, but I'm already tired of Microsoft abandoning their camera flagship even before they introduce a new one. I waited for more than half a year for Denim after it was available on 930. I didn't complain that I didn't have RichCapture even though I knew it's just marketing bull****, but now they even removed the feature I bought this phone for.07-15-2015 12:49 AMLike 0 - Yes, I use it with .dng, so I haven't complained about RichCapture, because everything can be done manually, the problem now that L1020 with W10 seem to lack dng capture. I hope it's temporary, but judging by their previous updates I wouldn't expect it.07-16-2015 02:09 PMLike 0
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- So it's confirmed now. They are removing Lumia Camera in favor of ****ty Windows Camera. Time to move to Android. I have lost all my faith in this piece of ****.07-24-2015 11:15 AMLike 0
- My advice, which may not be practical for you, is keep your 1020 on WP 8.1 if its usage as a camera is important to you. My 1020 is now purely a camera because it still takes amazing pictures and I wont be updating it anymore. As I said, this may not work for you but it's clear that Microsoft has no plans to support the camera in the 1020 fully.07-24-2015 11:28 AMLike 0
- I do not want to stay on the dead platform. At least even more dead than it is now. I was already left with a dead platform when they decided not to update WP7 to WP8, but I understood reasons. Now they just removed the app I needed without replacing it with anything. They removed most advertised features of L1020. So it's either live with dead phone with no apps (like WP7 now) or update to W10 and lose camera capabilities.
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Guytronic likes this.07-26-2015 06:22 PMLike 1 - Share
- @Nikolay, I feel your pain. I just last night put my L1020 back to W8.1 so that I could get all of the Lumia photography apps.
I'm a little disappointed, because I did like W10 on the 1020 and it worked very good on build 166 (except for the few Store issues remaining).
My opinion, L1020 on W8.1 with all the Lumia apps is still better than going android. And anyway, we are all now just waiting until we can upgrade to the 950/950XL : )- Share
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Guytronic likes this.07-28-2015 12:23 AMLike 1 - Share
- I downloaded ProShot. It's $2.99. Windows 10166 won't let you make it your default, but the app does allow you to set the resolution up to 38mb. I just pinned the tile (transparent available) to the start screen. No dual, and no raw but it's something for now. Hoping MS will fix this and allow L1020 users the full use of their cameras. It's why most of us bought them.07-30-2015 06:23 PMLike 0
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