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  1. anthonymcinnis's Avatar
    I use InfiniTV ETH for my six tuners and I plan on staying with Windows 8.1.

    No other software can control the six tuners on InfiniTV but Media Center and InfinTV is the only one that gets encrypted channels such as HBO.

    I don't see an issue because my TV PC is a big ugly but fast desktop that is tucked away and has a sole purpose of being always on and record TV. I really don't need Windows 10 on it.

    My advice, by a home Windows laptop and leave your Media Center PC alone.
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    07-28-2015 08:52 AM
  2. jtpcamp's Avatar
    I just saw an add for "new" customers that offers cable and internet and the X1 system for $79.99 a month for 2 years. Comcast is finally offering deals longer than 6 months. You may not like Comcast but that is a pretty good price.
    One other thing is for a while now Comcast is not offering the first Cable Card for free, as they are charging me $1.50 for the Cable Card that is in my Ceton pcie card.
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    07-28-2015 08:56 AM
  3. Billy Sisco's Avatar
    Nothing is forcing you to upgrade your HTPC to Windows 10. Microsoft did just breathe some extra life in the WMC this month. They changed their listing provider from Zap2It to Rovi. Rovi is their provider for Xbox One's listings. That at least tells me that Media Center will continue to get listing data for a while. It is sad that Microsoft is letting this go but as it was pointed out earlier in the thread, nothing has really been changed since Vista Media Center. I use a CableCard and have the ability to record 4 channels at once. I really think that it is the best solution for a DVR. That being said I decided to not accept the free Windows 10 upgrade and continue running Windows 7. Windows 7 will have extended support for another 5 years. I do hope that Microsoft will open source as much of Media Center as they can.

    There is also NO way that 15% of Windows users use Media Center in 2015. All the information I have seen was it was a VERY tiny percentage of users actually use it on over the "Oops I clicked the wrong button" stat ups. It is a shame because it is a very nice piece of software.
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    07-28-2015 09:08 AM
  4. Kevin Rush's Avatar
    Not everyone is going for CHEAP. Media Center works great with OTA tuners or even Cablecard tuners (AKA not free), The advantage is, you can extend the content to other rooms in your home with a Xbox 360 (you can have it boot directly into MC), you can run 5 Extenders at a time and the limit for tuners (officially with modifications) is 32 (32 FREAKING TUNERS !). The most I had at one time was 12 tuners. It is a VERY EXPANDABLE product in this aspect. Look over every other product out there, all HTPC options or even Tivo, the expandability of WMC can not be matched. And for all the HTPC based software Media Center is the ONLY one available right now that works with protected content from cablecard (premium channels)

    Now if you had a DVR with cable, you would pay a $9.99 DVR fee, then you would pay $5.99 for the rental of the cable box (depending on provider), With WMC, you would need just a cablecard, dropped into a 3, 4 or 6 cablecard tuner and most cable companies allow the first cable card for free ($1.50-3 for a 2nd one). Media Center would wipe away all those fees and in most areas you just pay for the content you want, not rental or DVR fees.

    And no monthly charges like TiVo charges for guide data....guide data on WMC is free.

    Another thing about Media Center that can be cost effective, When Windows 7 was released, single core and dual core CPUs were the norm. Windows Media Center does NOT need a i7 with all the trimmings. My HTPC has a Core2Quad (about a 5-6 year old CPU) and with a good video card I can even play back 4K video on it with not a single studder. It was designed for older CPUs, so even with a BRAND new i7, the performance on WMC is not really crazy more than a 5 year old PC

    A lower end $200-300 PC with a few tuners and a remote could work with OTA or even cablecard content perfectly. People who don't think a PC can be reliable, are nuts ! With tweaking, clean install, disabling updates (warning noted if used for more than TV/movie watching). and scheduled reboots, it can be flawless. I went over a year with out touching my system as everything was automated in the back ground. It can be made set it and forget it...

    We still need a Windows Media Center option in Windows 10 and a Xbox one for an extender option would be sweet...
    Re: DavidinCT,
    Thank you for all your good work telling people who don't know about it. Don't stop.


    Thank you for all your efforts to explain WMC
    07-28-2015 09:10 AM
  5. DavidinCT's Avatar
    Re: DavidinCT,
    Thank you for all your good work telling people who don't know about it. Don't stop.


    Thank you for all your efforts to explain WMC
    NP.... It's a product I know like the back of my hand, anyone needs help or support on it drop me a PM.

    The big screw-up is how people saw it. Just a desktop app that most people never really played with BECAUSE they didn't know anything about it, oh, another media player.... The lack of interest in the product is Microsoft's screw up 100%, they didn't promote it at all. People never saw the vision of what it is, or could be.

    Still the fact of the matter is people want streaming content, Netflix, Amazon video and all the other options out there. Windows Media Center would be more relevant today than it was 5-8 years ago. The market is going to all those little boxes, I have seen tons of people with them and even noobs who know nothing about tech, as it's a box they connect to their TV and they can view streaming content and take their little card out of their phone and drop it into it to see them on their TV. Windows Media Center could be the ULTIMATE flagship here with all this content and more.

    Did you know if you drop a flash card or USB drive in with pictures or videos in there while running WMC, it will give you options to view them or even copy them to your library, all that can be done with a simple remote ?

    This is missed thing by Microsoft, to think what the possibilities of what Media Center COULD be if it was updated. In it's current stance, its the BEST PC based software available hands down (feature for feature , nothing comes close) and it has not been updated since 2009 (OMG !)

    This is a big miss by Microsoft, every once and a while they screw something up and still today the drop of the eHome team is one of their biggest and on the other side is one of things Microsoft wants MORE than being on every desktop in the world, it's being in your living room.

    Again another loss for Microsoft.

    It's too bad, I have 6 computers in my home (from desktops, tablets laptops, etc) that COULD be upgraded to Windows 10, Only 1 will be, and that is a dual boot with Windows 7. The ONLY reason why I am going to Windows 10 is because of gaming (DirectX 12 wont be available for 7 or 8). I like Windows 10, I really do but, I need Windows Media Center and with out it, My PC is not complete so 7 for life for me, Thanks Microsoft...

    I guess it will be time for the hackers to take action, Media Center was hacked into Windows 8 (before MS released it) and even going to XP media center, it was hacked into WIndows server and non WMC XP versions (it was OEM only back then).

    They have a year :)
    Last edited by DavidinCT; 07-28-2015 at 08:26 PM.
    07-28-2015 08:15 PM
  6. Wilbur Schitzel's Avatar
    I'm keeping my HTPC on Win8.1. And it will stay as such until there is a better option for MCE. Currently there are no options that offer extender support and CableCard support. I have hope for the new offering that SiliconDust is putting out, but is has yet to be released. We'll see...
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    07-28-2015 09:22 PM
  7. Scott Bradley's Avatar
    I'm keeping my HTPC on Win8.1. And it will stay as such until there is a better option for MCE. Currently there are no options that offer extender support and CableCard support. I have hope for the new offering that SiliconDust is putting out, but is has yet to be released. We'll see...
    The only option that offers both at retail is TiVo.
    07-28-2015 10:59 PM
  8. MikeSo's Avatar
    15% is way exaggerated, but I am one of the users of WMC with CableCARD decryption. There is no alternative to it, literally.
    I used to own a TiVo and it's a great product, but WMC on my HTPC beats it easily for convenience and ease of use.
    But yeah, I might have to suck it up and get a TiVo when Microsoft declares Windows 8.1 dead. Unless TV is dead before then.
    07-29-2015 12:58 AM
  9. MikeSo's Avatar
    The only option that offers both at retail is TiVo.
    TiVo used to be a real hassle to upgrade storage on, at least compared to how easy it is on a PC. It also costs hundreds and hundreds of dollars more than the "built in" functionality of WMC. Does TiVo still offer Lifetime service at least?
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    07-29-2015 01:01 AM
  10. Scott Bradley's Avatar
    TiVo used to be a real hassle to upgrade storage on, at least compared to how easy it is on a PC. It also costs hundreds and hundreds of dollars more than the "built in" functionality of WMC. Does TiVo still offer Lifetime service at least?
    Yes, lifetime service is available on boxes. The newest model TiVos hard drive upgrade is simple as well. The OS is maintained on flash, simply drop a new drive in the box and it will be formatted and the OS copied over to the drive.

    Hardest part is opening the box.
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    07-29-2015 09:19 PM
  11. Citizen X's Avatar
    Actually, I didn't even know what it was before I googled it.
    And yet that didn't prevent you from pontificating about it. Not really unusual behavior on internet forums but it is rare that people just come flat out and preface their remarks by saying they don't have a clue.

    You can get a base Roamio with lifetime service for $600...
    Hhhhmmm... Free vs $600... let me pull up the calculator app...

    Xbox is a pretty poor extender and always was.
    Since people are big into demanding sources I guess I should ask for some. MY Xbox is an excellent extender. People marvel at my setup. Particularly when they see the bill... $0.

    Yeah, the only way that percentage makes sense is if its 15% of the Home version only. There's no way, with Pro/Ent versions included in the count.
    Lol. You made my day!

    Windows Media Center is not available on Windows 8.1 Home. You have to have Windows 8.1 Pro or higher. But thanks for posting total nonsense about a topic you know nothing about.

    Gentlemen thank you. I'm beginning to see why Windows Media Center wasn't a runaway success. With even Windows fans making up lies about it, how could it have been successful? Windows users eat their young. Apple users say how wonderful a product is even if it is a total piece of crap.

    I personally use it and it is hands down one of the most innovative products MSFT has ever created. Nobody I know has a more integrated home entertainment system than me. I don't have to load a bunch of third party software nor pay any fees. I plug and play. I don't have to worry about server software or content providers. Hulu and Netflix are available through my Xbox but I just use a $50 antenna and WMC for free HD tv that looks better than cable. Did I mention I'm getting all this for FREE?

    The problem is people have never tried it out. And they put it down because they don't want egg on their faces for paying cable company rental fees, or $600 to Tivo (Imagine the WMC computer you could build for $600), or kludging together a bunch of third party hardware and software and still paying a fee. I understand the **** hurt but let's not lose our heads. WMC is an excellent product and I will be staying on 8.1 for now because Windows 10 might be free but I don't have $600 (Lol, seriously?!) to replicate what I am getting today for free. Thanks for the heads up on the "deal."
    07-30-2015 07:06 PM
  12. Wilbur Schitzel's Avatar
    Hardest part is opening the box.
    I'd say the hardest part is paying that much for something with less features.
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    07-30-2015 09:13 PM
  13. David Feifer's Avatar
    heh.. My biggest take out of all of this is that people spend waaay too much time watching tv. though.. are they actually watching it or is it a form of digital hoarding..

    I have a tv card in my computer, not used in years, that I used to use with media center though I hated that program mainly because there just wasn't a way to turn off the stupid recording feature. I did not own a tv and used my second monitor to watch stuff in a window. Was ok once I had a channel selected but murder when you were channel surfing and it took 5 seconds from when you hit the channel for it to start showing. All I wanted was a pass through tv player which actually came with the card but was not supported past vista. Now days I am lucky if I even watch anything. Though, If I do, we have a fairly decent cable company and they have pretty much every single show that they broadcast available via in demand on the box.
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    07-30-2015 10:14 PM
  14. Kevin Rush's Avatar
    Re: David Feifer
    It seems you were a very very basic user of Windows Media Center. Respectfully, your novice and limited experience with this very capable and customizable software should not, in any way, be held up as representative of what WMC can do. Sounds like you had a poor set up and didn't use it properly. It is family friendly to use, I can't imagine why you couldn't stop it from recording.

    You seem to have missed the whole point of Windows Media Center and the options it provides. Whole House Media Center, Live and DVR of DRM cable TV and Movies, Live and DVR of Over the Air television broadcasts, simultaneous use of multiple tuners, full pause and rewind control of live TV, ...

    Have fun paying your cable TV provider for the set top boxes and the limited time availability and changing content of Cable On Demand.

    Best Wishes.
    Last edited by Kevin Rush; 08-02-2015 at 11:08 AM.
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    08-01-2015 11:37 AM
  15. Bobvfr's Avatar
    I am guessing a lot of die hard users of WMC aren't massively interested, but I thought I would let you know the following:

    I upgraded three 8.1 devices this week (I did five but only three were mine) one was home version and it is still home version, the second was a Surface Pro 3 with Pro and it is still Pro but because I didn't have WMC installed that is as far as it went.

    But my desktop with Pro and WMC is now a Pro machine and does have the complimentary DVD player.

    Again the whole thing wasn't an issue for me as although I tried WMC last year, I pretty much missed out on it and Windows 7 so I didn't have any legacy stuff to worry about.

    Got to admit I like Windows 10 a lot so maybe time to think about WMC exit strategy
    08-01-2015 05:56 PM
  16. johnson_patrickw's Avatar
    Why are you recording so much TV?

    If it doesn't fit your need then don't upgrade. Microsoft is under no obligation to tailor their product to you or anyone else. That just means someone else will take advantage of that market, maybe it'll be you.

    Upgraded my HTPC to Windows 10 on Wednesday.
    08-01-2015 07:16 PM
  17. DavidinCT's Avatar
    Sigh, I wish Microsoft would wake up here and just put a Windows Media Center option in Windows 10, even put it in the store and force people to re-buy it (if it's $10 or so) if the licencing costs are too much. I would re-buy it as long as it was $10 or less.

    Or what might be a reasonable option is for them to release the internal beta that never was released, Soft-sled. This is one of the largest requested items for Windows Media Center EVER (and I was through 3 WMC beta tests). This was a code name or something that it was called by the commuity.

    Soft-sled is a software based Windows Media Center Extender. So someone could keep a WMC machine someplace on their network (even in a VM if you use networkable tuners) and use another computer as an exender, it could work with Windows 7, 8.1 or 10, and you can open this app, no configuration besides connecting to your WMC machine. There would be no software licencing costs because they are just sharing the content from another machine.

    We just need something, If Microsoft cant or wont put WMC in WIndows 10 then I wish they would do something like soft-sled, at least we can watch our TV in WIndows 10 if they would do that...

    I like Windows 10, I really do but, this causes havoc for my setup at home, so 10 for games only and 7 for everything else, I really would like to have 10 for everything but, thanks to Microsoft, I cant.
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    08-03-2015 10:18 AM
  18. elindalyne's Avatar
    Windows Media Center was a giant bust. It never took off. The majority of people don't care about recording live TV on non-brand name device (TIVO).

    Since you're whining, here's an alternative that should suit your needs.

    www(dot)team-mediaportal(dot)com/

    I can't post links, so replace the (dots) with .
    08-03-2015 11:56 AM
  19. MikeSo's Avatar
    Windows Media Center was a giant bust. It never took off. The majority of people don't care about recording live TV on non-brand name device (TIVO).

    Since you're whining, here's an alternative that should suit your needs.

    www(dot)team-mediaportal(dot)com/

    I can't post links, so replace the (dots) with .
    If you think that's an alternative, you clearly don't know what WMC did that differentiated it from other products. That's a completely useless "alternative" for anyone with CableCARDs and premium cable - in other words, those who are the most effected by WMC's demise. So we'll keep on "whining" as long as people like you talk about things you have no knowledge of.

    OK, that might have been overly harsh, but the "whining" comment was unnecessary. The link you gave might be a good solution for some, but there is no shortage of media center alternatives, or OTA recording applications. What set WMC apart was its ability to be used as a hub for the extenders, and its unique CableCARD decryption. Sadly, as far as I know, there is no alternative to that, at least not yet.
    Last edited by MikeSo; 08-03-2015 at 12:40 PM.
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    08-03-2015 12:18 PM
  20. Baron164's Avatar
    I love my media center and it will be staying 8.1 for the foreseeable future. I also the box as a Steam in-home streaming client. I've looked at a few alternatives such as xbmc and emby(Media Browser) but neither is really up to the task yet. I don't need cable card. Just need to be able to record 4 channels at once. Emby looks promising since I could then stream recorded shows to Roku's and my phone/tablet. I'm hoping Plex incorporates some kind of tv recording feature at some point. Since I already use it for streaming 99% of my media to my phone/tablet/roku's it would be nice to continue using it. But as long as the guide data keeps updating I should still be good. I'm certainly never going to be using a TWC **** box as my dvr.
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    08-03-2015 12:28 PM
  21. elindalyne's Avatar
    If you think that's an alternative, you clearly don't know what WMC did that differentiated it from other products. That's a completely useless "alternative" for anyone with CableCARDs and premium cable - in other words, those who are the most effected by WMC's demise. So we'll keep on "whining" as long as people like you talk about things you have no knowledge of.

    OK, that might have been overly harsh, but the "whining" comment was unnecessary. The link you gave might be a good solution for some, but there is no shortage of media center alternatives, or OTA recording applications. What set WMC apart was its ability to be used as a hub for the extenders, and its unique CableCARD decryption. Sadly, as far as I know, there is no alternative to that, at least not yet.
    False. As of 1.3 they support CableCards and premium channels.
    08-03-2015 12:52 PM
  22. DavidinCT's Avatar
    False. As of 1.3 they support CableCards and premium channels.
    Prove it. Offically (according to cable labs) no other PC based software supports DRM from cablecards. Sure they might be able to view cablecard channels but, premium DRMed channels they wont.

    So, I looked, According to Engadget, FOR YOUR reference. 1.5 does support cablecards, yes but, A quote from Engadget "As promised, the home theater PC client now supports CableCARD tuning for most channels outside of pay TV. ". Pay TV, AKA Premium channels, or Protected channels with a DRM path.

    MediaPortal 1.5 released with CableCARD and Windows 8.1 support

    So, it will work with cabecards but, if subscribe to ANY premium channels (HBO, Skinamax, etc) or your unlucky where your cable operator DRMs all channels besides locals (a lot of cable companies do this) MediaPortal is worthless unless you like paying for channels you CANT watch.

    Do us a favor, do your homework before slamming a product here. Windows Media Center is so much better on so many more aspects. This is one of the MAJOR things that it has an advanage of. No other PC software product right now has this certification. Even the HDR product at this point of the beta does not even support it.

    Nothing else, Zip, Zilch, NOTHING.
    Last edited by DavidinCT; 08-03-2015 at 02:27 PM.
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    08-03-2015 02:16 PM
  23. MikeSo's Avatar
    Prove it. Offically (according to cable labs) no other PC based software supports DRM from cablecards. Sure they might be able to view cablecard channels but, premium DRMed channels they wont.

    So, I looked, According to Engadget, FOR YOUR reference. 1.5 does support cablecards, yes but, A quote from Engadget "As promised, the home theater PC client now supports CableCARD tuning for most channels outside of pay TV. ". Pay TV, AKA Premium channels, or Protected channels with a DRM path.

    MediaPortal 1.5 released with CableCARD and Windows 8.1 support

    So, it will work with cabecards but, if subscribe to ANY premium channels (HBO, Skinamax, etc) or your unlucky where your cable operator DRMs all channels besides locals (a lot of cable companies do this) MediaPortal is worthless unless you like paying for channels you CANT watch.

    Do us a favor, do your homework before slamming a product here. Windows Media Center is so much better on so many more aspects. This is one of the MAJOR things that it has an advanage of. No other PC software product right now has this certification. Even the HDR product at this point of the beta does not even support it.

    Nothing else, Zip, Zilch, NOTHING.
    Exactly. Cox Communications, which I have, and many others treat every channel except the local ones like pay channels.
    Last edited by MikeSo; 08-03-2015 at 06:10 PM.
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  24. MikeSo's Avatar
    False. As of 1.3 they support CableCards and premium channels.
    I hope that is the case. It would as far as I know be the only one that does. I will try it out.

    EDIT: After reading about it, it seems that they only support channels set to "Copy Freely" which makes it unusable for me.
    Last edited by MikeSo; 08-03-2015 at 06:09 PM.
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    08-03-2015 03:21 PM
  25. Kevin Rush's Avatar
    False. As of 1.3 they support CableCards and premium channels.
    We are glad to have knowledgeable and helpful people join the discussion and learn the intricacies (details) of the "one of a kind features" that Windows Media Center offers. We have studied the topic and features, in depth.
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    We would be happy and welcome a true alternate solution, that matched feature with feature with Windows Media Center, but so far none exist.
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    It puzzles me why enthusiasts of other lesser featured solutions don't know the facts and continue to suggest that we try the other lesser solutions?
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    Please educate yourself and join us in advocating for a solution with more features, not less.
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    To understand the great value of Windows Media Center, you just have to read all the comments and be open to what is being said. The many use cases are the key to understanding the value of Windows Media Center.
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    I hope people read up and join us in our goal for a better, more feature rich Windows Media Center solution, or at least an extension of the "status quo".
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    We aren't looking for lesser solutions.
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    I wish Microsoft would wake up and understand the features and value of Windows Media Center. I think it has untapped potential in commercial uses.

    Best Wishes.
    Last edited by Kevin Rush; 08-03-2015 at 09:37 PM.
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