1. paulm187's Avatar
    Why Windows Phone isn't dead to me | ZDNet

    They're all piling on after the bad Windows Phone news, pointing their thumbs down and predicting that Emperor Satya will do the same. I think Microsoft is more patient than that, but clearly times are tough for Windows 10 Mobile (ne Windows Phone).

    here are many reasons I could cite for why Windows Phone still might have a future, but I'll focus on two. The first is the more important one: The build-out of the mobile web will diminish the significance of native apps. I recently wrote a large feature on this in Ars Technica, but here are the highlights:

    • HTML/JS/DOM standards for web browsers are advancing rapidly to the point nearly everything you'd want to do in a native app you'll be able to do on a mobile web site. This is not the way things are right now; many of the standards are not implemented yet, but I believe they will be.
    • Google is strongly behind this standards push.
    • A mobile web site is advantageous for developers and users.
    • Using techniques already in Chrome on Android, the user can have a native app experience with the mobile web.
    • Already there are plenty of web sites that perform as well as native apps on mobile devices.
    • The main impediment to this development is Apple and their huge financial stake in their market for native apps, in-app purchases and advertising.

    With Edge, Microsoft is making a browser that is in a better position to support these sites. They're not as far along as Google is with Chrome, but their Edge strategy seems to be to ape Chrome, so I'm encouraged. Microsoft doesn't want to talk about this; they want to talk about Universal Windows Apps, which are a good and interesting thing, but not as significant as the mobile web could be. Already with Internet Explorer on Windows Phone 8.1 I use a lot of web sites that work fine, including Google Maps.
    Safari and the Webkit engine have fallen far behind on these standards, likely a symptom of Apple's interest in keeping the browser weak. No doubt many of you are thinking of how the mobile web was the original public vision for iPhone app development back in 2007. It wasn't taken seriously then and Steve Jobs likely wasn't serious about it either; the native app development kit just wasn't available for several months.
    In my list above I asserted that mobile web sites are "advantageous for developers and users." Here are some of those advantages:

    • With well-designed style sheets, developers could maintain a common code base for all platforms with a browser, from desktops down to phones and even watches
    • Updates to the app happen instantly as the developer applies them to the server; the user has to do nothing
    • The app takes up almost no persistent storage on the device; the browser and OS can manage the use of storage for cache, local data and other needs for performance and offline usage

    This last point relates to one of my favorite Windows Phone features, a feature which makes me laugh at Android and iOS: SD card support. Yes, many Android phones support SD cards, but for historical reasons, basically the horrible mess that is the Android namespace, the support is weak. Many apps can't be run off the SD card. Many apps, including important ones like music and video apps, can't store their data on the SD card. I bought the 16GB version of the Samsung Galaxy S4 when it came out and the main reason I quit it was because I kept running out of space in spite of having a 64GB SD card in it.

    I'm sticking it out with Windows Phone. I should mention that I really do like the UI and think it's superior to iOS and the iOS clone known as Android. I will be careful about committing a lot of money to a new phone, but will stick with Windows 10 Mobile for now.

    02-02-2016 08:50 AM
  2. xandros9's Avatar
    Interesting, but I personally believe the web cannot compensate for the big players that Windows Phone lacks. (things that use the camera and other stuff)
    02-02-2016 08:54 AM
  3. chuckdaly's Avatar
    . Nadella said that Microsoft would “no longer attempt to grow a standalone phone business,”. Until Nadella recants, this is the irrefutable proof that Windows Phone is dead.
    theefman likes this.
    02-02-2016 10:36 AM
  4. PepperdotNet's Avatar
    Of course it's not a "standalone phone business" - Windows 10 runs on PCs, tablets, Xbox, IoT devices and Hololens too.
    02-02-2016 10:51 AM
  5. nausky's Avatar
    Thats not what 'dead' means. WP 8.1 is dead. Zune is dead. These have had successors. WP10 is still in development with plenty financial support, and despite the "low" user base which is still in the millions, the setup in place still gives us indirect developer support. It will continue to benefit from the success of the Surface brand. As the Surface tablets grow in popularity, these users in particular are more interested in good apps than their old fashioned desktop user counterparts. When they get apps, windows phone generally does too.

    WP10 on the 950 is still a good experience overall, regardless of what a lot of emotionally charged posts will say, and its going to continue improving. Ive said this before, but the windows central app is the only unsupported & slow app i own.

    May as well enjoy WP while its still here. I loved my Zune, i loved my Note 3, and i currently love my 950XL. No point in worrying about what phone youll be using in 2 years from now.
    captaincalamity likes this.
    02-02-2016 11:11 AM
  6. anon(3463402)'s Avatar
    Windows Phone/Mobile is not dead and it will never be dead.

    There are many of us who will not use android even if it's the last option on Earth.
    Rugish Dapeca and ali80 like this.
    02-02-2016 04:47 PM
  7. xandros9's Avatar
    Windows Phone/Mobile is not dead and it will never be dead.

    There are many of us who will not use android even if it's the last option on Earth.
    uh, most of those people are iPhone users.
    02-02-2016 06:17 PM
  8. Somchai Quint's Avatar
    Windows Phone is dead. Long live Windows Mobile. 😊 Microsoft Eco System is more as only a phone operating system. Hope you got it.
    02-08-2016 07:33 PM
  9. btbam91's Avatar
    Coming from Focus S > Lumia 900 > Lumia 920 > Lumia 1520 > iPhone 6s+

    WP is unfortunately dead to me as I just couldn't figure why I was depriving myself of the best services on mobile. Microsoft updates their iOS apps WEEKLY. Here is a picture of my home screen:

    I have TEN MSFT apps on my home screen alone and the vast majority of their apps are incredibly highly rated. To me, WP is dead, but MSFT on mobile is thriving and it's freaking awesome.
    chuckdaly and libra89 like this.
    02-09-2016 12:42 AM
  10. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    02-09-2016 01:13 AM
  11. M7H's Avatar
    Bug fixes maybe?
    Maybe to get them on par with the W10 apps?
    02-09-2016 04:05 AM
  12. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    Bug fixes maybe?
    Maybe to get them on par with the W10 apps?
    They're much better than the Windows 10 Mobile apps, unfortunately.
    xandros9 likes this.
    02-09-2016 04:08 AM
  13. M7H's Avatar
    They're much better than the Windows 10 Mobile apps, unfortunately.
    Yeah, I hear this all the time, but if I compare the one drive app on my W10M with the one on the iPhone 5 / IOS 9 of my wife, I disagree.
    I can not add additional accounts on IOS, but I can on W10.
    Camera roll upload does not work all the time on IOS, even with background upload switched on.

    But I am talking about IOS, not Android.
    Laura Knotek likes this.
    02-09-2016 04:27 AM

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