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  1. Makm's Avatar
    Plz show me some good reasons why ppl just hates win 8 so much.

    I use windows 8.1 and to be honest i love it!
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    09-30-2014 01:39 PM
  2. a5cent's Avatar
    Basicaly, Windows 8 came with the start screen, that works great for those using touch screen devices, but this interaction is not that great with the simple mouse + keyboard combination.
    I disagree. Click for click, there is no difference between the start menu and the start screen. Functionally the start screen is either identical or more powerful, and requires the exact same interactions to use. Faulting the start screen is just how people expressed their frustration, but that wasn't really the problem. This is what I think went wrong:

    - aesthetical appeal (the large and blocky tiles with often conflicting color schemes still aren't everyone's cup of tea).

    - file types associated with metro apps by default (clicking a jpeg/pdf/mp3 file and expecting to get windows image viewer/media player/etc, but instead "unwillingly" and "unpreparedly" dropping out of the desktop and into an unknown and functionally inferior, full screen, touch app without the taskbar was... suboptimal)

    - lack of tutorials explaining how the start screen is visually different, but structurally still exactly the same as the start menu

    - lack of tutorials showing people how to navigate/multitask in the metro environment and no help for desktop/laptop users who wanted files to be associated with the desktop software they were accustomed to, so as to never see a metro app again.
  3. RajeevT's Avatar
    Hasn't this been done to death already? Time to discuss Windows 10 now. :)
    xandros9 and DavidinCT like this.
    09-30-2014 01:52 PM
  4. Byrese's Avatar
    I'm with you. I don't understand. They tossed the charm bar in W10. Why?
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    09-30-2014 01:57 PM
  5. D M C's Avatar
    Short. Answer - Start Menu
    09-30-2014 02:01 PM
  6. davidofmidnight's Avatar
    The whole touch/Metro UI didn't meet my productivity workflow, and I wasn't going to spend $100 to go backwards. So when 8.1 came out, I still had no reason to upgrade since 7 works perfectly fine for me.
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    09-30-2014 02:18 PM
  7. Albert_Elliot's Avatar
    I think is cause people hate what they don't know. Most of people I know who hates Windows 8 (and WP too), is because ther're lazy enough to learn how to use it right
    09-30-2014 02:32 PM
  8. JamesPTao's Avatar
    For my laptop it would be fine because it is a tablet PC penenabled. But for my desktop I am very happy with 7. Its stable and works great for my needs. Upgrading for non touch devices is very low on my priority list. I would rather invest in a better quality 2nd monitor first for my photo editing.
    09-30-2014 02:34 PM
  9. xandros9's Avatar
    The new start menu turned off some people for whatever reason and the entire thing fed back into itself and got blown out of proportion.
    etc etc, there is no shortage of other arguments, both very valid, and less so.
    Laura Knotek likes this.
    09-30-2014 06:04 PM
  10. cuek80's Avatar
    I think its because most of them try win8 on a non touch screen device. I did, and I hate it. now that I have a convertible laptop running 8.1, I'm loving it, switching desktop from/to tablet UI is great. I just hope more apps are coming to windows store for modern UI.
    and I bet most of ppl who hate it are used to use windows to work on desktop environment. with mouse it is difficult to search apps that u haven't put shortcut on desktop, and without mouse it is more difficult to work on desktop, since the UI is not optimized for touch navigation.

    for everyone who has difficulties to search apps without the startmenu, should:
    - make shortcut on desktop
    - pin to start, and group it so that u know its desktop apps
    - use win+S to search apps
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    10-01-2014 01:30 AM
  11. Pete The Penguin's Avatar
    I think its because most of them try win8 on a non touch screen device. I did, and I hate it. now that I have a convertible laptop running 8.1, I'm loving it, switching desktop from/to tablet UI is great. I just hope more apps are coming to windows store for modern UI.
    and I bet most of ppl who hate it are used to use windows to work on desktop environment. with mouse it is difficult to search apps that u haven't put shortcut on desktop, and without mouse it is more difficult to work on desktop, since the UI is not optimized for touch navigation.

    for everyone who has difficulties to search apps without the startmenu, should:
    - make shortcut on desktop
    - pin to start, and group it so that u know its desktop apps
    - use win+S to search apps
    I use Windows 8.1 on a non-touchscreen desktop, I find no real issues and certainly don't hate it.
    Though "settings" in Windows 7 was far more logical.
    10-01-2014 01:39 AM
  12. jdhooghe's Avatar
    I use windows 8 on my dual booted MacBook and I dreaded having to use metro. I don't want apps taking up my entire screen. Settings was a pain in the ***. It severely hampered work flow. I don't want a touch dominated OS on my laptop.
    mdemo likes this.
    10-01-2014 05:26 AM
  13. Jack Janik's Avatar
    Because it's different. :-)
    Kevin Rush likes this.
    10-11-2014 02:34 PM
  14. anon5997296's Avatar
    I use Windows 8.1 on my non touch laptop and absolutely love it. I'm using it with touchpad, and the synaptics drivers just work so great for me that I don't really have any problem with Windows 8.1. In fact when I use Windows 7 on friend's laptop or Windows 10 on my dual boot, I find it difficult to click on tiny icons with my touchpad like the 3 dots for settings in Windows 10, while gestures work so great for things like charms and app switching in 8.1. In the beginning I kinda hated it and I used to use a mouse all the time. But as I took time and learned all the bits I prefer touchpad to mouse any day! And ohh yeah, 8.1 to 10 & 7 any day!
    10-11-2014 02:49 PM
  15. Bobvfr's Avatar
    I And ohh yeah, 8.1 to 10 & 7 any day!
    If Microsoft get 10 right it will be a futuristic blend of both, allowing you to work or play however you want, although I like 8.1 I have to admit I hated 8, the logic of it was wrong, 8.1 changed this, but I can understand how the average office worker suddenly confronted by it would struggle, I have the time to play with it and love it, but a receptionist is a stubborn beast who can't readily understand change.



    Bob
    10-11-2014 02:57 PM
  16. iamtim's Avatar
    For the people who say it slowed workflow, and made comments about a touch-dominated OS, or complaining about apps taking the whole screen... I have a couple of questions. And while these may come off as snarky, they're not meant to be, and I'm really curious as to your answers.

    First off, how long did you actually work with Windows 8/8.1 before you gave up due to productivity restrictions? Secondly, you do know that every touch-centric aspect of the OS can be ignored or deleted, yes? Finally, you know that you can delete all but five of the full-screen "metro" apps and just use desktop apps, yes?

    The reason I ask is that I love Windows 8/8.1, but two of my three Windows 8/8.1 machines are desktop/non-touch laptops. I've deleted all the "metro" apps (except for those five) and use all desktop apps. Windows 8/8.1 runs better, faster, and more smooth than did Windows 7, and using the Start Screen as a desktop application launch pad has actually increased my workflow (it's easier for me to hit the Start Screen and click a large, easily identifiable tile than it is to hunt through the All Programs menu).

    I took to Windows 8 immediately and found Windows 8.1 to be all the better in that environment. My boss hated it initially - for many of the same reasons listed above - but really only gave it an hour or so tops and didn't spend any time configuring the system for his workflow. He's since gotten a Surface Pro 3 and configured his desktop much as I do, and now says that he's really gotten used to the Start Screen and really appreciates Windows 8.1.
    Kevin Rush likes this.
    10-21-2014 01:24 AM
  17. anon(9057135)'s Avatar
    Microsoft went a little to far when creating Windows 8. Windows 8 was a Bigggggg leap that got desktop users mad. I like windows 8 but i would like it more if i could use my own picture and not my desktop background for the start screen..
    10-21-2014 06:46 AM
  18. Gatusko's Avatar
    Because Ppl dislike something new and better!
    Kevin Rush likes this.
    10-26-2014 01:45 AM
  19. FlandersNed's Avatar
    Because the OS's new features pushed towards a tablet-like experience and not a desktop, which was why a lot of people didn't want it; it didn't suit their needs.

    It doesn't matter that the touch features can be ignored, what matters is that they focused on making a tablet experience on a desktop instead of improving the non-touch desktop experience.

    But regardless, this is a tired topic. Windows 10 is what's important not, not Windows 8.
    10-26-2014 01:54 AM
  20. Michael Alan Goff's Avatar
    I'm with you. I don't understand. They tossed the charm bar in W10. Why?
    Sent from my Lumia 1520 using Tapatalk
    I can pull the charms menu up on my Surface Pro 3 running the latest build.
    11-01-2014 11:42 PM
  21. Aluriel's Avatar
    There are some reasons, and none of them are about performance. Basicaly, Windows 8 came with the start screen, that works great for those using touch screen devices, but this interaction is not that great with the simple mouse + keyboard combination, it was about environment, they didn't have this in mind I think, so the start button needed to come back, and it's the most important update on 8.1 to PC users.

    It was trying to create mobile interaction on a desktop/laptop computer. Not so great idea.
    12-04-2014 08:29 AM
  22. raycpl's Avatar
    Simple..... Fear of the unknown
    Last edited by raycpl; 12-04-2014 at 10:50 AM.
    12-04-2014 08:43 AM
  23. a5cent's Avatar
    Basicaly, Windows 8 came with the start screen, that works great for those using touch screen devices, but this interaction is not that great with the simple mouse + keyboard combination.
    I disagree. Click for click, there is no difference between the start menu and the start screen. Functionally the start screen is either identical or more powerful, and requires the exact same interactions to use. Faulting the start screen is just how people expressed their frustration, but that wasn't really the problem. This is what I think went wrong:

    - aesthetical appeal (the large and blocky tiles with often conflicting color schemes still aren't everyone's cup of tea).

    - file types associated with metro apps by default (clicking a jpeg/pdf/mp3 file and expecting to get windows image viewer/media player/etc, but instead "unwillingly" and "unpreparedly" dropping out of the desktop and into an unknown and functionally inferior, full screen, touch app without the taskbar was... suboptimal)

    - lack of tutorials explaining how the start screen is visually different, but structurally still exactly the same as the start menu

    - lack of tutorials showing people how to navigate/multitask in the metro environment and no help for desktop/laptop users who wanted files to be associated with the desktop software they were accustomed to, so as to never see a metro app again.
    Last edited by a5cent; 12-04-2014 at 09:40 AM.
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    12-04-2014 09:21 AM
  24. iamtim's Avatar
    a5cent, you are my hero. I could not have said that better, regardless of how many times I tried. :)
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    12-06-2014 07:32 PM
  25. Nokia5110's Avatar
    Applications running in full screen
    Search for applications/docs not as good as in xp or 7
    Shutting down, WiFi nightmare.
    12-06-2014 07:47 PM
  26. Kevin Rush's Avatar
    For the people who say it slowed workflow, and made comments about a touch-dominated OS, or complaining about apps taking the whole screen... I have a couple of questions. And while these may come off as snarky, they're not meant to be, and I'm really curious as to your answers.

    First off, how long did you actually work with Windows 8/8.1 before you gave up due to productivity restrictions? Secondly, you do know that every touch-centric aspect of the OS can be ignored or deleted, yes? Finally, you know that you can delete all but five of the full-screen "metro" apps and just use desktop apps, yes?

    The reason I ask is that I love Windows 8/8.1, but two of my three Windows 8/8.1 machines are desktop/non-touch laptops. I've deleted all the "metro" apps (except for those five) and use all desktop apps. Windows 8/8.1 runs better, faster, and more smooth than did Windows 7, and using the Start Screen as a desktop application launch pad has actually increased my workflow (it's easier for me to hit the Start Screen and click a large, easily identifiable tile than it is to hunt through the All Programs menu).

    I took to Windows 8 immediately and found Windows 8.1 to be all the better in that environment. My boss hated it initially - for many of the same reasons listed above - but really only gave it an hour or so tops and didn't spend any time configuring the system for his workflow. He's since gotten a Surface Pro 3 and configured his desktop much as I do, and now says that he's really gotten used to the Start Screen and really appreciates Windows 8.1.
    I agree with everything you said. I have never had any problems or issues with it. Admittedly, I've been a computer "user" for more than 25 years and am always learning new features.
    12-06-2014 08:09 PM
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