10-10-2012 03:55 PM
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  1. TheWeeBear's Avatar
    That's the main thing, that you like Windows Phone pwaikon. As I said it has many little annoyances, some users have no patience at all and want it fixed yesterday, but I'm sure we will all be a little happier as updates come in the near future.

    Glad you're going to stick around too. :)
    02-28-2012 07:02 AM
  2. anodynamic's Avatar
    Now that I've spotted this thread I guess I'll have to add separate headset and speaker volumes to the list. With my Radar I have to push the volume to well above 20 when using the headset, and while playing games with the external speaker I sometimes feel that even 1 can be seem too loud at times.

    I think MSFT could give users access to setting of this sort with something like a TweakUI app for WP. That was a great way of giving power users a handy way to fiddle with things in Windows.
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    02-28-2012 07:14 AM
  3. ubizmo's Avatar
    This is an area where WP could learn from BB. It's not a frill. People have specific reasons for wanting various combinations of volume levels.

    A smartphone interacts with a human being in certain key ways. You look at it with your eyes, listen to it with your ears, enter text and make it do things with your fingers (and voice). These are core aspects of the user experience. For this reason, it's important to give the users as many options as possible, to tailor the experience to their needs and preferences.

    My BB lets me set all kinds of different volume levels for different things, and to create different combinations of settings and assign them to named profiles. I can set the volume in the media player independently of these other settings, and the BB remembers it from one playing session to the next. So I can have a loud alert for text messages, which typically need quick attention, and a much gentler alert for calendar reminders. I have no alert for emails. But there's a "Phone only" profile, and a "Loud" profile where all alerts are cranked up, but none of these profiles affect the media player...nor should they.

    I know that MS wants to keep WP as lean as possible, and to resist "feature creep"--at least, I think they do. But this sort of thing is fairly basic, and makes a large difference to the user experience.

    The same goes for being able to customize the way text is displayed.
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    02-28-2012 08:58 AM
  4. mdameron's Avatar
    I personally would hate to be toggling different volumes based on whatever app I was in. Needlessly complex.

    3 months now with my WP7, I love having just one volume. Actually, I wish I could turn up the keyboard noise. Love that sound.

    Also, alarms are always the same volume, even if the ringer is off.
    02-28-2012 11:37 AM
  5. mb-dape's Avatar
    MS isn't dumb (mostly), there's a reason they didn't just make it "really easy" to toggle a hundred features.
    It doesnt has to be really easy. But it has (in my opinion) to be possible. Like a tab named "Advanced" when you go into settings. Or a small button named the same in different sections in the phone where some other options or customization is needed. It wouldnt take up space and it wouldnt be hard for us over 14 years to use it.

    Or why didnt the seller tell me I bought at phone aimed at kids and people with hot dog fingers and IQ 50 that doesnt understand the word "Advanced". ;)
    02-28-2012 12:59 PM
  6. mb-dape's Avatar
    That's the main thing, that you like Windows Phone pwaikon. As I said it has many little annoyances, some users have no patience at all and want it fixed yesterday, but I'm sure we will all be a little happier as updates come in the near future.

    Glad you're going to stick around too. :)
    No, it hasnt had to be fixed yesterday, but preferably the same day as I bought what I thought was a competent smartphone, and started to use it at home and in work. I didnt pay for a HTC Titan to be a beta tester.

    No offence though, thanks for your help.
    02-28-2012 01:01 PM
  7. mb-dape's Avatar
    I personally would hate to be toggling different volumes based on whatever app I was in. Needlessly complex.

    3 months now with my WP7, I love having just one volume. Actually, I wish I could turn up the keyboard noise. Love that sound.

    Also, alarms are always the same volume, even if the ringer is off.
    How do you do that since the phone does not normalize the volume? In some apps or games even 1 of 30 is too loud, while in a call I prefer having 30 of 30 to get good sound. I play music at about 15 of 30, etc. I gets annoying since smartphones I have used has got independent volumes for years.
    02-28-2012 01:11 PM
  8. mdameron's Avatar
    How do you do that since the phone does not normalize the volume? In some apps or games even 1 of 30 is too loud, while in a call I prefer having 30 of 30 to get good sound. I play music at about 15 of 30, etc. I gets annoying since smartphones I have used has got independent volumes for years.
    *In a call*, there is only volume 0-10, and it remembers it from call to call. Same thing on a speakerphone. Speakerphone volume is remembered from speakerphone session to speakerphone session. Whatever volume you set while in a call does not affect outside of a call.

    *Outside* of a call, the 0-30 scale works for everything else. Music fades away when the phone rings. I'm not sure what the big deal is.
    02-28-2012 02:42 PM
  9. oldpueblo's Avatar
    Truth is the reason I'm not bothered by it is probably because on my Android device I did have the "thought sounds were off but turns out only one was turned down" thing happen several times. And I interrupted some important meetings/quiet times because of it. That's a potential upside, when it's down you KNOW your phone won't make noise. You don't have to check multiple volumes.
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    02-28-2012 05:42 PM
  10. ubizmo's Avatar
    *Outside* of a call, the 0-30 scale works for everything else. Music fades away when the phone rings. I'm not sure what the big deal is.
    And if I don't want my email notification to be as loud as my podcast or my SMS alert, I'm out of luck.

    Simplicity is being able to set these things the way you want them once, and then forget about them.

    If they don't want to build it into the OS, they should let developers have access to these settings, so they could create a Sound Profiles app.
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    02-29-2012 10:50 AM
  11. eric12341's Avatar
    ms isn't dumb (mostly), there's a reason they didn't just make it "really easy" to toggle a hundred features. One of the things i love about metro is how big the options/buttons are, how easy to hit them it is without having to squint at your phone and be totally precise. Think of the people with hotdog fingers. Where would they put these audio options to toggle off and on? Expand the drop down menu up top so that it covers half the screen? Have more than one icon on it so that people can complain it's too easy to hit silent instead of vibrate and vice versa? They wanted a minimalist design and personally i like it. Believe it or not i bet most people don't switch back and forth between on, vibrate, and silent several hours a day. They put the most common things on the surface, and put the other options beneath. If you can find a way for them to add that functionality in without ending up with buttons and toggles everywhere, then by all means share it with them. I bet they add it if it's a good enough balance. But no i don't want flips and switches and toggles everywhere like in android, so that i have to be careful where i mash my finger when i'm swiftly navigating the ui.
    this!!!
    03-01-2012 10:51 PM
  12. ubizmo's Avatar
    MS isn't dumb (mostly), there's a reason they didn't just make it "really easy" to toggle a hundred features. One of the things I love about metro is how big the options/buttons are, how easy to hit them it is without having to squint at your phone and be totally precise. Think of the people with hotdog fingers. Where would they put these audio options to toggle off and on? Expand the drop down menu up top so that it covers half the screen? Have more than one icon on it so that people can complain it's too easy to hit silent instead of vibrate and vice versa? They wanted a minimalist design and personally I like it. Believe it or not I bet most people don't switch back and forth between on, vibrate, and silent several hours a day. They put the most common things on the surface, and put the other options beneath. If you can find a way for them to add that functionality in without ending up with buttons and toggles everywhere, then by all means share it with them. I bet they add it if it's a good enough balance. But no I don't want flips and switches and toggles everywhere like in Android, so that I have to be careful where I mash my finger when I'm swiftly navigating the UI.
    They could do it the way BlackBerry has been doing it from the beginning. There's a small icon on the home and lock screen that shows the current sound profile, so you don't have to drill into any menus to see the phone's current state. To change the profile, you click on that icon and choose the one you want. You can create and name your own sound profiles, too. For a quick toggle between vibrate and the last profile, there's a shortcut: long press the 'Q' key.

    I use this functionality all the time. When I go into a meeting (or a movie), i hit 'Q' on the way in and on the way out. My normal sound profile is one that I defined myself. It's called "mellow" and it has no email alerts, a fairly strong SMS alert, a low calendar alert, and vibrates only when the phone is in the case. If I'm expecting an email and want to know when it might have arrived, I switch to the BB "normal" profile, which has an alert for incoming mail. In some circumstances, I switch to the "silent" profile, with no sound or vibrations. And I get at all of this by tapping an icon no bigger than WP's wifi icon. Smaller, in fact.

    My T-Mobile SideKick had even better notifications. I could use different configurations on different days, and have them change automatically at different times of day. That was baked into the OS. I can do the same on my BB, but I have to buy an app for it. In fact that app interfaces with the BB Calendar, so that when I create a meeting or other event, I get the option of having the BB automatically change the sound profile at the beginning and end of it, so I don't even have to remember to press 'Q'. This app doesn't add any buttons; it simply adds options to the Calendar menu.

    When you install an app that has sound notifications on a BB, the options for that app get added to the main profiles menu. So if you get Google Talk, options for incoming message sounds etc. will show up in the Profiles menu. If you uninstall it, they go away.

    The BB is famous for it's LED notifications. One of the best-selling apps allows the user to choose a different color for different kinds of alerts. I don't bother with this myself, but the fact that these apps exist shows that there is a demand for being able to take make notifications, both visual and sound, work the way the user wants them to work. And it can easily be done without cluttering up the home screen.

    No, MS isn't dumb. But there's no doubt in my mind that there are more users of WP who would be very happy to see features of this sort than there are those who are indifferent to them.
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    03-02-2012 12:24 PM
  13. eric12341's Avatar
    No it's only in forums of people who are used to this kind of thing who want this(no offense). Looking at reviews on carrier sites you don't see anyone complaining about this.
    03-02-2012 12:44 PM
  14. selfcreation's Avatar
    No it's only in forums of people who are used to this kind of thing who want this(no offense). Looking at reviews on carrier sites you don't see anyone complaining about this.
    that's because the 52,056 Members on his site think they count for the majority of the
    XX MILLIONS of WP users. ;) lol

    this site doesn't even count for 10% of the Wp users. ( and only 1% of the members actual post! lol

    so like 0.001% of people on this site is FAR from being what people want ( not saying you guys are wrong to want it ) just dont assume your always right :)

    and we all know what ASSUME stands for. A$$*U*ME ,
    lol that's what my boss says to me when i ASSUME what a client wants! you make a A** of your self. hehe :)

    again, I am not insulting any one :D
    Last edited by Se1fcr3ation; 03-02-2012 at 06:00 PM.
    03-02-2012 05:54 PM
  15. oldpueblo's Avatar
    Truth is, the best compromise I can think of is have it toggle three ways leaving the design the way it is. Right now you tap to toggle between your two choices. Just make it three and call it good, no other changes. Nice and easy.
    03-03-2012 12:36 AM
  16. ubizmo's Avatar
    No it's only in forums of people who are used to this kind of thing who want this(no offense). Looking at reviews on carrier sites you don't see anyone complaining about this.
    If it's a question of demand, we'll just have to disagree. I was mainly responding to the point that this functionality would entail a lot of extra junk on the home screen. The Blackberry system disproves this.
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    03-03-2012 07:26 AM
  17. le93baron's Avatar
    OK, I read through this whole thread and it was very informative to listen to both sides of the issue - whether the various sounds on the phone (calls, music, notifications, alerts, emails, etc.) should have one or independent volume controls. I can appreciate both points of view. I kinda lean to the side that says we should have independent volume settings but I understand the downsides of this.

    I still have one simple question though.
    How do I set the volume which controls the volume level I hear when I put the phone to my ear after taking a call - when I'm not currently in a phone call? Or can I only adjust this level once I'm in a phone call? If it defaults to the volume level I had from the previous call, this might be too loud if the new caller speaks very loud, or vice versa.

    Thanks
    Last edited by le93baron; 04-27-2012 at 05:25 PM.
    04-27-2012 05:12 PM
  18. oldpueblo's Avatar
    OK, I read through this whole thread and it was very informative to listen to both sides of the issue - whether the various sounds on the phone (calls, music, notifications, alerts, emails, etc.) should have one or independent volume controls. I can appreciate both points of view. I kinda lean to the side that says we should have independent volume settings but I understand the downsides of this.

    I still have one simple question though.
    How do I set the volume which controls the volume level I hear when I put the phone to my ear after taking a call - when I'm not currently in a phone call? Or can I only adjust this level once I'm in a phone call? If it defaults to the volume level I had from the previous call, this might be too loud if the new caller speaks very loud, or vice versa.

    Thanks
    Call your voicemail?
    04-27-2012 06:11 PM
  19. independentvolume's Avatar
    My first thread ever on here. lol. Also, bump because wp8 NEEDS independent volume controls. Crimeny cripes sakes.
    10-06-2012 09:43 AM
  20. infoleather's Avatar
    When I play a video, independent phone volume. Do not even have the the keyboard volume of the set.
    10-09-2012 10:07 PM
  21. socialcarpet's Avatar
    I'm not a fan of feature creep either, but this is a feature that should be included in any smartphone OS. I hope to see some kind of independent volume control in WP8, even if it's very basic it would be better than nothing.
    10-10-2012 03:55 PM
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