01-29-2012 05:18 PM
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  1. jrdatrackstar1223's Avatar
    I wonder if it would be possible for the design team of Windows Phone to add "polish" to the OS. Let me take iOS for example (not trying to start a flame war):

    I am actually fine with iOS and the "mini desktop" look (Android on the other hand....bleh). I also like the "polish" of the icons and the OS (webOS had this too). The icons actually had some shine and CCS3 type of design look and feel to them. Would this be possible somehow with the Metro design of Windows Phone?

    The current setup is kind of bland (still really nice) to me, because all you have is black and white background and like (for me, as far as usuability) like 5 colors. I'm not saying we need customization, but just some "polish" to the overall OS so things are so flat straight-color looking like how the OS and apps are now.
    01-18-2012 09:59 AM
  2. Reflexx's Avatar
    WP's design is very polished. The flat colors are intentional and by design. The purpose is clarity without clutter. Your description sounds like a different design philosophy.

    Though I would like to see more color options.
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    01-18-2012 10:02 AM
  3. aubreyq's Avatar
    I agree with Winning Guy. Adding "shine" or "polish" to the tiles will deviate from the WP UI intentions. Perhaps Apollo will bring something new, dunno.
    01-18-2012 10:10 AM
  4. IamVortigaunt's Avatar
    Yeah part of the idea is to get ride of the "chrome" and put the content front and center. S, for example you don't see the bars and bezels that take up space on ios and android. I think they could improve things by having more colors available and allowing you to make different tiles be different colors. I also think more can be done to add content to the rules themselves so that they actually are "live" tiles rather than big icons. But the design language is really quite different than that in ios and android (if it has one). The latter two, honestly are more or less simplified and touch-optimized takes on traditional desktop computing UIs, whereas wp7 goes in a different direction, trying integrate content contents a put it front and center.

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    01-18-2012 10:37 AM
  5. IamVortigaunt's Avatar
    Sorry for all the typos.

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    01-18-2012 10:39 AM
  6. Reaction80's Avatar
    Yeah I have to agree with the above comment. The metro UI in WP7 is all about flat colors, simplicity and minimalism. Microsoft are trying to differentiate themselves from the competition not slowly adopt aspects of it until it's almost a clone.
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    01-18-2012 10:50 AM
  7. Major's Avatar
    Android is iOS with widgets and live backgrounds, from an appearance perspective. "Polish" is just about all iOS has gotten since its inception, as the layout is still static and still uses the same color scheme. The biggest changes to the appearance of iOS has been the Retina Display resolution and the addition of folders. As derivative as Android is, at least it's constantly evolving.

    WP7 is a completely different animal. It's minimalist, almost artistic. While the background is plain, the tiles are not. Personally, I would like to have more options with the tiles, such as more color options and resizing.
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    01-18-2012 11:04 AM
  8. jd914's Avatar
    when it comes to WP7 less is more. The minimal approach is a breath of fresh air. Leave the "polish" for Android and iOS.
    Last edited by JD914; 01-18-2012 at 11:23 AM.
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    01-18-2012 11:14 AM
  9. toshdellapenna's Avatar
    I also agree. Although being able to have a wallpaper behind the tiles would be nice.

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    01-18-2012 11:21 AM
  10. mprice86's Avatar
    I reckon that MS will probably add the option of colouring individual tiles at some stage, but it will more than likely remain locked to colours of their choosing. Obviously there are other colours that will work as well with white/black text but they've purposely set the current colours to enhance the clarity and readability of the text.

    In terms of live tiles, as a non-developer I'm not sure exactly what options are open for people when creating a live tile for their app. But, given that there are some amazing non-Microsoft made live tiles on apps, I have to say that the responsibility for better live tiles lies with the app developers, not with MS.
    01-18-2012 11:23 AM
  11. jd914's Avatar
    I also agree. Although being able to have a wallpaper behind the tiles would be nice.

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    To each his own. I personally think that would add visual clutter.
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    01-18-2012 11:25 AM
  12. darthhen's Avatar
    First off, I'm currently an Android user, Samsung Galaxy S, the first one. I haven't used the iPhone extenstively so I can't really say that I have a lot of hands-on experience. Currently looking to move to Radar or Lumia 710.

    I spent quite a bit of time at the T-mobile store playing with the Radar. My overall opinion is that I prefer WP's minimalist layout, with large tiles that gives me quick access to what is useful to me the most.
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    01-18-2012 11:39 AM
  13. danclyons's Avatar
    I would actually love for Microsoft to allow users to add background images for the Home Screen. Essentially like how it's done on the Xbox dashboard.

    It would be a nice touch and would add to the personality of the phone. I've had my Focus for about a year now and I'm still discovering new ways to love WP.
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    01-18-2012 12:28 PM
  14. aubreyq's Avatar
    I also agree. Although being able to have a wallpaper behind the tiles would be nice.
    I would actually love for Microsoft to allow users to add background images for the Home Screen. Essentially like how it's done on the Xbox dashboard. It would be a nice touch and would add to the personality of the phone. I've had my Focus for about a year now and I'm still discovering new ways to love WP.
    I think it would be sweet, if properly implemented. The Marketplace and Pictures Hub do this already, showing tiles floating over a background image. It would be cool if they overlay the word Start in metro font over the image of your choice, so you know you're in the Start screen (although by the tiles you would already know).
    To each his own. I personally think that would add visual clutter.
    I can see that happening, but if it's just an option then everybody wins ;)
    01-18-2012 12:46 PM
  15. blehblehbleh's Avatar
    I also like the "polish" of the icons and the OS (webOS had this too). The icons actually had some shine and CCS3 type of design look and feel to them. Would this be possible somehow with the Metro design of Windows Phone?
    Some OEM apps have that polish. HTC for example has a bit and I think they do a nice job. Having an overly glossed icon I think would be too much, but the level that HTC has seems fine with me--it's just enough but remains somewhat true to the flat nature of Metro. So in that respect I wouldn't mind a little.

    Though I think the UI team for Windows Phone is going towards more simple presentation as the other posters have said. If you haven't watched the Verge videos you'll hear about "Metro principles"
    01-19-2012 02:11 AM
  16. Pronk's Avatar
    I think more colours and wallpaper have to come in. Everyone thinks WP is a breath of fresh air compared to the ubiquitous iOS and Android (which is just a rip-off of iOS with widgets), and they're right. But as I've said before, that's currently due to lack of mass exposure - which is rapidly changing. And with Metro now on xbox and soon on Windows 8 too, soon that fresh look is going to be everywhere and so won't stay fresh for long. Currently, WP7 is the least customisable of all the Metro interfaces and the least customisable phone OS, so I can't see that staying the same. People's phones are very important to them and they like to make them their own, so allowing more personalisation has to be in the pipeline - to not do it would risk reducing the potential mass appeal of WP.
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    01-19-2012 02:24 AM
  17. Winterfang's Avatar
    To each his own. I personally think that would add visual clutter.
    Metro looks at it's best when it uses Pictures and Letters in a good way. Like Zune.
    01-19-2012 07:18 AM
  18. adamopinheiro's Avatar
    I think the issue with "polish" in Windows Phone are the apps. Most of the apps aren't conformed to Metro or if it is it could have been better. There are just a few apps that stand out. I've come across today with this app called Skyscanner which I loved because it uses greatly the Metro guidelines.

    I wish every app followed those guidelines. I hate when I see a iPhoney app on my WP.
    01-19-2012 07:47 AM
  19. kevm14's Avatar
    Yeah part of the idea is to get ride of the "chrome" and put the content front and center. S, for example you don't see the bars and bezels that take up space on ios and android. I think they could improve things by having more colors available and allowing you to make different tiles be different colors. I also think more can be done to add content to the rules themselves so that they actually are "live" tiles rather than big icons. But the design language is really quite different than that in ios and android (if it has one). The latter two, honestly are more or less simplified and touch-optimized takes on traditional desktop computing UIs, whereas wp7 goes in a different direction, trying integrate content contents a put it front and center.

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    Maybe part of the issue is people's content isn't that interesting all the time, and they simply want to power on the phone and go "that's pretty." I agree that deviates from MS's intent. I happen to think Metro is pretty in the way it gets out of my way of my actual information.
    01-19-2012 08:31 AM
  20. kevm14's Avatar
    I think more colours and wallpaper have to come in. Everyone thinks WP is a breath of fresh air compared to the ubiquitous iOS and Android (which is just a rip-off of iOS with widgets), and they're right. But as I've said before, that's currently due to lack of mass exposure - which is rapidly changing. And with Metro now on xbox and soon on Windows 8 too, soon that fresh look is going to be everywhere and so won't stay fresh for long. Currently, WP7 is the least customisable of all the Metro interfaces and the least customisable phone OS, so I can't see that staying the same. People's phones are very important to them and they like to make them their own, so allowing more personalisation has to be in the pipeline - to not do it would risk reducing the potential mass appeal of WP.
    But it IS personal. It's YOUR arrangement of pinned apps/live tiles displaying YOUR information! I'm being a little dramatic here, but if your phone is boring, your information is boring! That is why your WP7 will look different from anyone else's. People have preconceived notions as to what "customizable" means, apparently. Which isn't really surprising, but given how different WP7 is, a different approach to customizing should also be taken. And this isn't really directed at you personally, just the overall mentality of WP7 needs wallpapers, et al.
    01-19-2012 08:36 AM
  21. jfa1's Avatar
    But it IS personal. It's YOUR arrangement of pinned apps/live tiles displaying YOUR information! I'm being a little dramatic here, but if your phone is boring, your information is boring! That is why your WP7 will look different from anyone else's. People have preconceived notions as to what "customizable" means, apparently. Which isn't really surprising, but given how different WP7 is, a different approach to customizing should also be taken. And this isn't really directed at you personally, just the overall mentality of WP7 needs wallpapers, et al.
    But its still personal preference your idea of what's boring is not necessarily someopne lese idea of boring. Both opinions and preferences are valid. My prime consideration is that my device works for me and helps me work smarter at work and keeps me informed about what I need to know and be doing. Antyhing else is gravy that I can take ort leave.
    01-19-2012 08:59 AM
  22. Pronk's Avatar
    But it IS personal. It's YOUR arrangement of pinned apps/live tiles displaying YOUR information! I'm being a little dramatic here, but if your phone is boring, your information is boring! That is why your WP7 will look different from anyone else's. People have preconceived notions as to what "customizable" means, apparently. Which isn't really surprising, but given how different WP7 is, a different approach to customizing should also be taken. And this isn't really directed at you personally, just the overall mentality of WP7 needs wallpapers, et al.
    I see your point, but unless you deliberately (or by pure luck) pick and pin apps that are different to your accent colour, it is still a grid of primarily one of a small handful of colours on either white or black. That is very limiting with regards to personalisation - everyone's start screen looks largely the same. No personal wallpaper, no themes, no custom choice of colour and so on. And your tile arrangement may be unavoidably more monochrome depending on what apps/tiles you want to pin - my start screen for example is primarily solid tiles of the accent colour because that's the apps I want quick access to and they're either default ones or 3rd party ones where the devs have made the tile match the accent colour (IE, Mail, Messages, Phone, My Encyclopedia, Birdsong, etc).
    01-19-2012 12:05 PM
  23. koolkid09's Avatar
    Android is iOS with widgets and live backgrounds, from an appearance perspective.
    That statement was ignorant. They look nothing alike besides having icons. But even WP7 has icons.


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    01-19-2012 12:09 PM
  24. bentheoandrews's Avatar
    Like loads of you have said - WP7 is a breath of fresh air in the Mobile OS world. I could stare at the messaging speech bubbles with their two different shades of the accent colour all day. I had really become bored with all the iOS fake wood and leather look in various apps. It looked so dated - and not in a cool retro way.
    01-19-2012 01:39 PM
  25. Major's Avatar
    That statement was ignorant. They look nothing alike besides having icons. But even WP7 has icons.


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    Are you serious?

    Apple - iPhone 4S - Read all about the amazing iOS.

    Four by four grid of icons with a status bar up top and a four icon dock at the bottom.

    Samsung Captivate Glide review -- Engadget

    Four by four grid of icons (and widgets) with a status bar up top and a four icon dock at the bottom.

    You're half-right about an ignorant post on this thread....
    01-19-2012 05:54 PM
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