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  1. mkr10001's Avatar
    Just to clarify, the Me tile could easily record any toasts that go unseen; unseen toasts seem to be the most common argument for a notification centre.


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    Yeah that would be good. I don't know why people want to make it like iOS and android :/
    02-05-2012 06:29 AM
  2. Verkunder's Avatar
    I've got the homebrew folders application on my device and never use it. How many apps do you people have? Besides, don't the hubs take care of accomplishing the same needs as folders? All my music apps are in the Music+Video hub, etc.

    As for notifications, I'd imagine they could show up on the lockscreen. A third screen ("swiping to the left") would mean it's no longer Windows Phone. And besides, don't the LIVE TILES show your notifications? That's the whole point! I really don't see a notifications area coming to Windows Phone anytime soon.
    02-05-2012 12:53 PM
  3. blehblehbleh's Avatar
    Just to clarify, the Me tile could easily record any toasts that go unseen; unseen toasts seem to be the most common argument for a notification centre.


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    I think people want the notification center though because it'll show them the messages without having to open the app. I think a notification center wouldn't be too bad as long as it does other stuff (e.g. recent app history, like Windows 7 start menu or being able to pin five of your most used apps)

    Plus there might be people like me, I don't even use the Me tile so I wouldn't get the toasts unless I opened the app.

    I think it's just one of those "standards" like visual voicemail, and I just looked up how iOS5 is gonna do it; I think they made messages come and go like toasts in WP?
    02-05-2012 01:35 PM
  4. anon(5335899)'s Avatar
    I personally like the way the Nokia N9 works with this:

    From Start screen;
    Swipe Left for a combined notification/Social messaging screen. it wil basically show the messaging like now in people hub and on top would be notifications about updates/incoming text/messages/missed calls..

    The right arrow icon to goto the apps screen would remain as-is

    Swipe Right would show running tasks



    In apps swipe Left would return to whatever screen you were on relative to start screen (message/notification, Start of apps)

    swipe down would close the app


    Although that system would basically mean the back/start button would become kind of obsolete.
    02-05-2012 01:56 PM
  5. Big Supes's Avatar
    Yeah that would be good. I don't know why people want to make it like iOS and android :/
    Me neither. It makes no sense. Those OS's have nothing equivalent to live tiles so big notification centres are necessary.

    I think people want the notification center though because it'll show them the messages without having to open the app. I think a notification center wouldn't be too bad as long as it does other stuff (e.g. recent app history, like Windows 7 start menu or being able to pin five of your most used apps)
    But, the Me tile shows you notifications without you having to access it; it's live.


    Plus there might be people like me, I don't even use the Me tile so I wouldn't get the toasts unless I opened the app.
    Well, if you didn't want to use it... well, there's no a lot anyone can really do about that. I honestly don't know who WOULDN'T use the Me tile. It's awesome. All my social notifications alerts through one live tile, with the ability to access all the notifications as a list, check in, post status updates or profile picture changes to any, or all of my social sites, at the same time... and not to forget, the combined news feed is great.

    Including toasts to the Me tile would be the most logical way forward, IMO. It's simple.

    I think it's just one of those "standards" like visual voicemail, and I just looked up how iOS5 is gonna do it; I think they made messages come and go like toasts in WP?
    It's the standard for iOS and Android as they don't really have any other options. I mean, what else could they do? They both have a bunch of static icons that don't offer any real time information. Windows Phone does and I think it's important that the platform focuses on it's strengths, instead of looking towards the competitions weaknesses.
    Last edited by Big Supes; 02-05-2012 at 03:38 PM.
    02-05-2012 03:19 PM
  6. alpinestars1z's Avatar
    Well, if you didn't want to use it... well, there's no a lot anyone can really do about that. I honestly don't know who WOULDN'T use the Me tile. It's awesome. All my social notifications alerts through one live tile, with the ability to access all the notifications as a list, check in, post status updates or profile picture changes to any, or all of my social sites, at the same time. Including toasts to the Me tile would be the most logical way forward, IMO. It's simple.
    I don't really use the Me tile that often, probably because I'm not posting statuses very often. But I do use it whenever I get social notifications.
    02-05-2012 03:37 PM
  7. Big Supes's Avatar
    I don't really use the Me tile that often, probably because I'm not posting statuses very often. But I do use it whenever I get social notifications.
    I love it for Twitter and Facebook. Thankfully, I don't have to access those apps. Also, the "what's new" feed is a nice way of digesting all of your social interactions across all sites.
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    02-05-2012 03:43 PM
  8. alpinestars1z's Avatar
    I love it for Twitter and Facebook. Thankfully, I don't have to access those apps. Also, the "what's new" feed is a nice way of digesting all of your social interactions across all sites.
    What I like is that the notifications actually seem to work. I remember back on iOS and Android, the stupid Facebook app for those would sometimes give me notifications for things that happened hours ago.
    02-05-2012 03:59 PM
  9. Pronk's Avatar
    I love it for Twitter and Facebook. Thankfully, I don't have to access those apps. Also, the "what's new" feed is a nice way of digesting all of your social interactions across all sites.
    I do use the Me tile, but it's rarely up to the minute accurate, or even that informative if it tries to tell you more that 1 person did something. It's handy for sure, but it's still true that if you want to know what's happening right now, you still have to go to the individual apps anyway (and that's definitely true for Facebook, as you don't know what you might have missed because WP is still considered 3rd party).

    That's why I can see a notification centre (or even just a missed toast list) being useful. If you really need to know what's going on and be bang up to date, you need toasts - but if you miss a toast, it's gone for good. The Me tile as is isn't a replacement, but it could certainly easily serve an extra role to tell you if you had missed any toasts, and those notifications added to the notifications list you get when you click on the me tile already.

    That would make it much more useful and would be (I imagine) relatively simple to do.
    02-05-2012 03:59 PM
  10. alpinestars1z's Avatar
    I do use the Me tile, but it's rarely up to the minute accurate, or even that informative if it tries to tell you more that 1 person did something. It's handy for sure, but it's still true that if you want to know what's happening right now, you still have to go to the individual apps anyway (and that's definitely true for Facebook, as you don't know what you might have missed because WP is still considered 3rd party).
    Lol maybe the push isn't as good as I thought then. Probably because I'm not always constantly checking my phone.

    Anyway, I do second that, when multiple people like my Facebook post I think it won't tell me the entire list. Like in the notifications it'll try to by saying "Bob and Cathy like your status", but when I actually click on the status it'll say, "7 people like this." I can't click on that and have it tell me who those seven are.

    Also, if someone likes your comment, or even worse, someone else's comment, you can't see that. You can get a notification when someone likes your comment, but you'll never see likes for anyone else's comments.

    I'd really like Microsoft to improve here and add more functionality. I want it to be able to replace the Facebook app for the most part. Oh, and add sending messages to people who are offline/fix it so that the people who are mobile don't show as offline on Facebook chat.
    02-05-2012 04:08 PM
  11. Big Supes's Avatar
    I do use the Me tile, but it's rarely up to the minute accurate, or even that informative if it tries to tell you more that 1 person did something. It's handy for sure, but it's still true that if you want to know what's happening right now, you still have to go to the individual apps anyway (and that's definitely true for Facebook, as you don't know what you might have missed because WP is still considered 3rd party).
    Although the live tile doesn't give you the 'content' when you have multiple alerts, it only takes, literally a second to access the app and swipe to the right to get a detailed lists of your alerts. In regards to the privacy settings for FB, the only thing that is effected is private messages/IM - which go via the message hub. I've found around 80% of messages come through the message hub, the rest I stumble upon when I'm on my PC.

    That's why I can see a notification centre (or even just a missed toast list) being useful. If you really need to know what's going on and be bang up to date, you need toasts - but if you miss a toast, it's gone for good. The Me tile as is isn't a replacement, but it could certainly easily serve an extra role to tell you if you had missed any toasts, and those notifications added to the notifications list you get when you click on the me tile already.

    That would make it much more useful and would be (I imagine) relatively simple to do
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    Absolutely. IMO, it's only a matter of time before Facebook authorise WP so the addition of Toasts to the Me tile would pretty much have the bases covered.

    For the record, my geekness requires something new and exciting to play with in Apollo, but to jump on the 'notification centre' bandwagon just seems unoriginal, and boring. The two things WP isn't.
    02-05-2012 04:24 PM
  12. Big Supes's Avatar
    Lol maybe the push isn't as good as I thought then. Probably because I'm not always constantly checking my phone.

    Anyway, I do second that, when multiple people like my Facebook post I think it won't tell me the entire list. Like in the notifications it'll try to by saying "Bob and Cathy like your status", but when I actually click on the status it'll say, "7 people like this." I can't click on that and have it tell me who those seven are.

    Also, if someone likes your comment, or even worse, someone else's comment, you can't see that. You can get a notification when someone likes your comment, but you'll never see likes for anyone else's comments.

    I'd really like Microsoft to improve here and add more functionality. I want it to be able to replace the Facebook app for the most part. Oh, and add sending messages to people who are offline/fix it so that the people who are mobile don't show as offline on Facebook chat.
    I agree the current system can be improved....
    02-05-2012 04:27 PM
  13. N8ter's Avatar
    Without touching on everything, I like the "swipe to the left" (at the home screen) for notifications idea. It would make a lot of sense for those who obsess about what toasts they have missed.

    More language support is only a matter of time before it arrives. Regarding BBM, that would be a strong selling point for WP. I miss BBM and haven't found a messaging service to rival it on iPhone or WP.
    BBM isn't coming. Windows Phones don't have PINs, not to mention it would be one of the biggest fragmentations of a mobile platform in recent history since older devices cannot be retrofit with them even if the newer devices come with them.
    02-05-2012 05:47 PM
  14. N8ter's Avatar
    Neither have live tiles. I say just add toasts to the Me tile and be done with it.
    The Me Tile is only Facebook/Twitter/LinkedIn/Windows Live, which is fairly useless for a lot of people because they don't use those. Toasts for them won't help.

    iOS has Badges and Android has Widgets and Badges which can functionally replace Live Tiles and are updateable with C2DM Push Notifications on that platform (as are the Badges on iOS). This also means the crap about lag and battery drain is foolish at best. That only happens for widgets that Poll instead of recieving PUSHed updates (which some do, BTW).

    The only Platform at a disadvantage IRT Notifications is WP7. The only thing Live Tiles offer over badges (which they can contain) on iOS (since Android Widgets can literally replicate their functionality) is a pretty picture/animation and a waste of screen real-estate.

    I'd totally give up Live Tiles for Notification Center. A Notification Cache is that important, and I can't believe people are still responding with the (intentional or otherwise) insinuation that Social Network Notifications are all that matters.

    Any app you install on an Android or iOS device can put their Notifications in the Slider/Center or trigger a Toast (on iOS) or Notification Bar Notification. That is not the case for WP7 (which lacks a Notification Cache) and it's not the case for the Me Hub, which is locked down to a preset number of social networks - 1/2 of which the average consumer probably doesn't even care about (LinkedIn and Twitter, unless they use Twitter as a glorified RSS reader like me, it's good for that - no one I know is social on Windows Live, uses SkyDrive, or cares to share stuff through SkyDrive they use Facebook for that stuff - which has its own Office Live Apps deployment integrated with the service BTW).

    WP7 has literally no advantages here. None.

    Also, context is what makes working with an Android or iOS device easy. On WP7 you actually have to your your phone more just to do something like triage Notifications, because there is no context and you have no idea with that "1" or "3" is for. That's a huge disadvantage over the Lock Screen Comprehensive Scrollable Notifications on iOS or the brain dead stupid easy list presented in the Android Drop-Down. It's not a comparable experience. It's inferior, and factorably so.

    Microsoft needs to improve it. It was supposed to save us from our phones, remember? Or maybe they're banking on us never getting a decent number of notifications?
    Last edited by N8ter; 02-05-2012 at 06:01 PM.
    02-05-2012 05:52 PM
  15. N8ter's Avatar
    Yeah that would be good. I don't know why people want to make it like iOS and android :/
    Every mainstream (and even some dead) platform (and even some feature phones) have a NOtification cache. What on earth does that have to do with Android or iOS?

    The Functionality exists in Bada, iOS, Android, WebOS, Blackberries, and even Windows Mobile Devices had it.

    The fact that Microsoft failed to implement something so fundamental to a Smartphone and people are asking for it is Microsoft's failure. It has nothing to do with users wanting it to be iOS or BB, becuase there were and still are too many reasons to pick up an alternative platform over this one. They're using WP7 cause they want to use WP7, and they're asking for this functionality because they need it. Seriously, opening app after app/hub after hub to check notifications? Isn't WP7 supposed to be all about good user experience? That is precicely the reason why Apple completely revamped their Notification systems. Badges with no context are a PITA and a Waste of Time to deal with.

    Better for them to deliver than have all those users go to Android or iOS because some people find the need to draw comparisons everytime a request or critique is made.

    Also, Me Hub Notifications aren't pushed. They're polled by a background task so there is a huge disparity in the consistent speed of delivery of Social Network Notifications on WP7 as compared to those other platforms. If you're a heavy Social Networker the Me Hub is almost useless. The MS FB App Notifications are consistently 5-30+ minutes late, and FB Chat oftengives no notifications (my experience with having 3 devices logged in) on WP7, especially if you often are on the move and/or switch formfactors (PC/Tablet/Smartphone).

    The user interface isn't the only thing that needs to be worked on, from a notifications standpoint.
    Last edited by N8ter; 02-05-2012 at 06:10 PM.
    02-05-2012 06:04 PM
  16. blehblehbleh's Avatar
    But, the Me tile shows you notifications without you having to access it; it's live.
    Hmm, I never really used it so I wouldn't know, but how much would it show in the square? If the Me tile were a rectangle I could see it being useful because then you can see a bit more content from the notification.

    Well, if you didn't want to use it... well, there's no a lot anyone can really do about that. I honestly don't know who WOULDN'T use the Me tile. It's awesome. All my social notifications alerts through one live tile, with the ability to access all the notifications as a list, check in, post status updates or profile picture changes to any, or all of my social sites, at the same time... and not to forget, the combined news feed is great.

    Including toasts to the Me tile would be the most logical way forward, IMO. It's simple.
    See that's the problem, there might not be people that use all the social aspects like you do or want the Me tile pinned to their Start screen. I mean I get what you're saying and can see the logic on how if you had notifications form third party apps they could extend into the Me tile, but I still think there should be a second way to access that information, especially when I think about how the Me tile is strictly construed for social networking.

    It's the standard for iOS and Android as they don't really have any other options. I mean, what else could they do? They both have a bunch of static icons that don't offer any real time information. Windows Phone does and I think it's important that the platform focuses on it's strengths, instead of looking towards the competitions weaknesses.
    Well I wouldn't put it that far. I see it more as a functionality that just arises. I'm not precluding there isn't some other way to do it, though. If MS can achieve the same management of notifications without resorting to notification center as understood under Android and iOS then I'm all for it. But that's really all I'm saying; there 's just gotta be some way to manage and display missed content from third party apps with toast notifications.
    02-05-2012 06:04 PM
  17. alpinestars1z's Avatar
    The Me Tile is only Facebook/Twitter/LinkedIn/Windows Live, which is fairly useless for a lot of people because they don't use those. Toasts for them won't help.

    iOS has Badges and Android has Widgets and Badges which can functionally replace Live Tiles and are updateable with C2DM Push Notifications on that platform (as are the Badges on iOS). This also means the crap about lag and battery drain is foolish at best. That only happens for widgets that Poll instead of recieving PUSHed updates (which some do, BTW).

    The only Platform at a disadvantage IRT Notifications is WP7. The only thing Live Tiles offer over badges (which they can contain) on iOS (since Android Widgets can literally replicate their functionality) is a pretty picture/animation and a waste of screen real-estate.

    I'd totally give up Live Tiles for Notification Center. A Notification Cache is that important, and I can't believe people are still responding with the (intentional or otherwise) insinuation that Social Network Notifications are all that matters.

    Any app you install on an Android or iOS device can put their Notifications in the Slider/Center or trigger a Toast (on iOS) or Notification Bar Notification. That is not the case for WP7 (which lacks a Notification Cache) and it's not the case for the Me Hub, which is locked down to a preset number of social networks - 1/2 of which the average consumer probably doesn't even care about (LinkedIn and Twitter, unless they use Twitter as a glorified RSS reader like me, it's good for that - no one I know is social on Windows Live, uses SkyDrive, or cares to share stuff through SkyDrive they use Facebook for that stuff - which has its own Office Live Apps deployment integrated with the service BTW).

    WP7 has literally no advantages here. None.

    Also, context is what makes working with an Android or iOS device easy. On WP7 you actually have to your your phone more just to do something like triage Notifications, because there is no context and you have no idea with that "1" or "3" is for. That's a huge disadvantage over the Lock Screen Comprehensive Scrollable Notifications on iOS or the brain dead stupid easy list presented in the Android Drop-Down. It's not a comparable experience. It's inferior, and factorably so.

    Microsoft needs to improve it. It was supposed to save us from our phones, remember? Or maybe they're banking on us never getting a decent number of notifications?
    Well the tiles are part of their design language, so I can't see them getting rid of that. I do want a notification center, but then again, I don't want WP7 to turn into Android/iOS. I'm hoping that Microsoft can be innovative and come up with something new.
    02-05-2012 06:34 PM
  18. N8ter's Avatar
    Well the tiles are part of their design language, so I can't see them getting rid of that. I do want a notification center, but then again, I don't want WP7 to turn into Android/iOS. I'm hoping that Microsoft can be innovative and come up with something new.
    Wow... Again.
    02-06-2012 01:31 PM
  19. N8ter's Avatar
    Hmm, I never really used it so I wouldn't know, but how much would it show in the square? If the Me tile were a rectangle I could see it being useful because then you can see a bit more content from the notification.
    The Me tile shows less than half a sentence in the square. It's virtually useless, especially if you get more than one notification, then it will just say "2 Notifica" or something like that. They mind as well should have just made it a badge.

    Also, the Me Tile isn't updated with Push Notifications. It's updated via a background task, so it cannot be relied upon to give timely notifications - in fact, it shouldn't be. Even the Facebook app with its slow Push Notifications is 10x faster than the Me Hub 9x out of 10.

    If they made everything a rectangle than it would waste even more screen real estate.

    They need to just throw in the towel and give a decent notification center. It's the only way to preserve what supposed simplicity and easy of navigation the phone already has while providing a decent notification system.
    02-06-2012 01:34 PM
  20. mkr10001's Avatar

    They need to just throw in the towel and give a decent notification center. It's the only way to preserve what supposed simplicity and easy of navigation the phone already has while providing a decent notification system.

    No they don't.

    If you're that interested in a notification centre get an android or iphone
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    02-06-2012 01:59 PM
  21. selfcreation's Avatar
    whats with the notification center! i dont really use the ME tile so maybe it be a ncie feature for the ME tile notification ... but thats IT!!!

    if you have miss call , miss txt , e-mail ect... the phone tell you right on the maine screen so why do you want a notification center?? the UI is a notification center....

    you have 1 text , you open text , if you cant see where your unread text is

    return all the electronics in your house.

    cause its the only thing highlighted!!! LMAO! hello!!!
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    02-06-2012 02:04 PM
  22. Big Supes's Avatar
    Hmm, I never really used it so I wouldn't know, but how much would it show in the square? If the Me tile were a rectangle I could see it being useful because then you can see a bit more content from the notification.
    The Me tile will inform you of multiple people who have liked or commented on a post or picture. If there are too many notifications to list, it'll tell you how many new alerts there are taking you to a detailed lists of notifications once you've accessed the app.

    See that's the problem, there might not be people that use all the social aspects like you do or want the Me tile pinned to their Start screen. I mean I get what you're saying and can see the logic on how if you had notifications form third party apps they could extend into the Me tile, but I still think there should be a second way to access that information, especially when I think about how the Me tile is strictly construed for social networking.
    I still don't understand why anyone wouldn't pin the Me tile if it displayed all the notifications you need. Because they simply want a second way to access that information? How stubborn can one be? :P;)

    Well I wouldn't put it that far. I see it more as a functionality that just arises. I'm not precluding there isn't some other way to do it, though. If MS can achieve the same management of notifications without resorting to notification center as understood under Android and iOS then I'm all for it. But that's really all I'm saying; there 's just gotta be some way to manage and display missed content from third party apps with toast notifications.
    THE ME TILE, DAMMIT! :D In all seriousness, I'm interested to see how they tackle it in Apollo. If it were up to me, I would have included Toasts alerts to the Me tile for Tango.

    I would say the Me tile is my favourite tile, by far. It's definitely up there with Bing as the most useful tile for your average smart phone user.
    02-06-2012 04:29 PM
  23. based_graham's Avatar
    WP needs a notification center but it doesn't depserately need one. They also have to make notifications support better
    02-06-2012 05:15 PM
  24. blehblehbleh's Avatar
    The Me tile will inform you of multiple people who have liked or commented on a post or picture. If there are too many notifications to list, it'll tell you how many new alerts there are taking you to a detailed lists of notifications once you've accessed the app.
    Hmm I see. But it won't show you the content of the notification unless you go in there right? See that's why I wouldn't mind a system that manages that. Effectively the notification system would be just so you can display, instead of your lock screen, any incoming content that you choose to display. I mean I still get what you're saying, but I think that finer degree of control would be great.

    I mean I don't think it should encompass every little thing because WP already displays some most of the pertinent stuff anyways, but I think it would be nice at least as far as third party apps are concerned to display that content in the event you missed it before it disappeared or something like that. I have a couple ideas on how it should work but I'd rather communicate them to MS directly and privately.

    I still don't understand why anyone wouldn't pin the Me tile if it displayed all the notifications you need. Because they simply want a second way to access that information? How stubborn can one be? :P;)
    Eh, I guess I'm just not as big of a Facebook ***** as you are :P

    THE ME TILE, DAMMIT! :D In all seriousness, I'm interested to see how they tackle it in Apollo. If it were up to me, I would have included Toasts alerts to the Me tile for Tango.

    I would say the Me tile is my favourite tile, by far. It's definitely up there with Bing as the most useful tile for your average smart phone user.
    I can see the logic on how it'd go into the Me tile, but I still construe the Me tile exclusively for social networks and their notifications. I think third party apps should have their own hub of sorts, e.g. Notification system :P
    02-07-2012 12:09 AM
  25. N8ter's Avatar
    WP needs a notification center but it doesn't depserately need one. They also have to make notifications support better
    third one. On a roll!

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    02-07-2012 12:20 AM
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