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  1. 3lackdeath's Avatar
    Sounds like current and upcoming Windows Phone 7.x devices won't receive an upgrade to Windows Phone 8 "Apollo."

    Consumers who currently own Windows Phone 7 devices may not see an upgrade past 7.x, as there's indication that Microsoft won't distribute a Windows Phone 8 upgrade to past, present and future 7.x devices. The revelation arrived during Mobile World Congress this week thanks to Terry Myerson, the Corporate Vice President of Windows Phone, while speaking to the financial analyst community.

    According to ZDNet, a participant in the meeting asked Myerson whether there will be forward or backward capability between Windows Phone 7.x and Windows Phone 8 (codenamed Apollo). But rather than confirm or deny that existing Windows Phones are compatible with the Apollo release later this year, Myerson danced around the question and talked about app compatibility.

    "We haven’t announced Windows Phone 8, but in terms of I can show you our goal to all Windows Phone 7 applications will run on Windows Phone 8," Myerson said. "Application compatibility is always something, where there’s always stuff on the fringe…. The spirit is our goal that all Windows Phone applications today run on our next release."

    Additional sources claim that Apollo won't be pushed to existing Windows Phone users. The decision may be based on carriers and/or Microsoft itself. If that is indeed the case, consumers who purchase a Windows Phone 7.x device just before Apollo’s release won't receive any new features save for what apps bring to the table. They'll also be locked out of the unified experienced that Windows 8 promises for multiple devices.

    "Statistically speaking, no Android phone gets upgraded," Myerson said during the meeting. "None. Ever. They have big bugs that don't even get patched. That's what we're seeing statistically out there. In the case of Apple, they ship OS updates to hardware that makes it unusable. It's a great hardware sales tool, as far as I can tell. Install an OS that makes your hardware unusably slow so you feel compelled to go back to the store and buy a new piece of hardware."

    He added that consumer expectations of updates can be a "landmine," and that Microsoft plans to be clear about what consumers can expect in that particular area. He then took another shot at Apple, saying the company has created a "great hardware upgrade incentive system." Yet to some degree, Microsoft is seemingly doing the same thing, forcing Windows Phone 7.x owners to purchase a new Windows Phone 8 device if they want to enjoy the full multi-screen One-OS-To-Rule-Them-All experience.

    "The most familiar UI for people worldwide will be Metro very soon," he said. "And that's great for the phone business."

    Source: Windows Phone 7's Upgrade to WP8 Apollo Now Unclear
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    03-03-2012 11:20 AM
  2. 3lackdeath's Avatar
    Just found this over at toms and now i'm really upset because i purchased my Samsung Focus S like two ago.
    03-03-2012 11:22 AM
  3. sentimentGX4's Avatar
    It makes sense why Microsoft is silent now, considering it doesn't want to ward away customers before the update.

    I don't understand the point Myerson is trying to make either. So if the phone doesn't get upgrades it isn't patching bugs but if it does get upgrades its intentionally obsolescing your hardware?

    Personally, I think Apple has done a great job with upgrades and Microsoft HAS left us completely in the dark with regards what to expect.
    03-03-2012 11:33 AM
  4. ljkelley's Avatar
    Microsoft has barely finished Tango. Apollo is still a work in progress. They are not gonna reveal specs or anything other than a hope for compatibility. They are not gonna commit to something they may not be able to deliver.

    Mark my words Apollo will come to devices but it will be like Tango and have limitations for slower devices. You really think they are releasing Tango in April and then 6 months later have no update strategy for devices like the Lumia 610.

    Apple or Google don't go around commiting devices to the next update. So why should Microsoft and why do people keep pestering them. They will know when the product is done. They can't possibly know until they have tested Apollo on devices and then decided to do no update, partial update, or full update etc...
    03-03-2012 11:49 AM
  5. Michael Goff's Avatar
    This phone came out less than a year ago. How is it already old news?

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    03-03-2012 11:51 AM
  6. Muneeb_he's rocking's Avatar
    Nokia is very strictly in supporting there customers (my n5800 got v60.0.003 after 3 yrs of its release). So I think they will deliver wp8 to their customers or everybody willjoin Android.
    Now if Microsoft wants wp to be a success they should deliver wp8 to their existing customers.
    DO OR DIE MICROSOFT.
    03-03-2012 12:17 PM
  7. HeyCori's Avatar
    Microsoft has barely finished Tango. Apollo is still a work in progress. They are not gonna reveal specs or anything other than a hope for compatibility. They are not gonna commit to something they may not be able to deliver.

    Mark my words Apollo will come to devices but it will be like Tango and have limitations for slower devices. You really think they are releasing Tango in April and then 6 months later have no update strategy for devices like the Lumia 610.

    Apple or Google don't go around commiting devices to the next update. So why should Microsoft and why do people keep pestering them. They will know when the product is done. They can't possibly know until they have tested Apollo on devices and then decided to do no update, partial update, or full update etc...
    Spot on. It's pointless to read/spread FUD until Microsoft makes an official announcement.
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    03-03-2012 12:40 PM
  8. ubizmo's Avatar
    WP8 isn't that far off. I think they must have a pretty good idea what kind of hardware will be needed to run it. If they could guarantee that it'll run on current devices, they'd say so. It would be a powerful sales point. The fact that they're not giving a straight answer tells me they have serious doubts about it.

    Personally, I'm not holding my breath. I think it's better to think of WP7 as the rough draft for WP8.


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    03-03-2012 01:00 PM
  9. Big Supes's Avatar
    I'd prefer MS to keep quiet instead of promise something and then not deliver.
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    03-03-2012 01:07 PM
  10. Carl Bytes's Avatar
    It is just a simple answer from them. Why are they not ending these speculations. If Windows 8 will run on 1 ghz netbooks and 512mb, I believe Windows Phone 8 will run on 1 ghz 512mb phones. But may be I'm wrong, it is just business not fan boys loyalty :)
    Last edited by Carl Bytes; 03-03-2012 at 01:36 PM.
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    03-03-2012 01:27 PM
  11. WPGenius's Avatar
    It is just a simple answer from them. Why are they not ending these speculations. If Windows 8 will run on 1 ghz netbooks and 512mb, I believe Windows Phone 8 will run on 1 ghz 512mb phones. But may be I'm wrong, it is just business not fan boys loyalty :)
    Very Well Put, I 100% agree, we are forever stuck in an age where things have to be super, outstandingly, great, because we want to have the latest phone that sends holograms...lol, people tend to forget one thing......ITS A PHONE!...lol, its a conveinence if WP8 works on all WP7 devices...who knows...
    03-03-2012 01:43 PM
  12. j_hall_in's Avatar
    As I a new member to the Windows phone community I would be very let down if I have to wait 2 years for my next upgrade to get my HTC Titan to run windows phone 8. Part of the reason I bought a windows phone was an investment in the windows phone brand more than where it was at the time. If that "investment" ends in 6 months id be sorely disappointed
    03-03-2012 01:58 PM
  13. ubizmo's Avatar
    To me, everything that Myerson said has the flavor of "expectation management".
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    03-03-2012 02:08 PM
  14. Eirenarch's Avatar
    All this does not make sense to me. I cannot see the technical and business reason for MS to drop support for current devices. Especially if they keep app compatibility. On the other hand staying silent does not make sense either. They are doing great damage to the ecosystem. I would have to assume they will not support current hardware until they say otherwise. Still it makes ZERO sense to me.

    However the MS marketing department is known to be full of idiots. When they first showed Windows 8 they mentioned JS and HTML which set the .NET community on fire. They were silent for 6 months before they announced that .NET will be supported in Win8 but in the meantime some companies simply dropped .NET as an UI platform. Now I understand that they are afraid they may not deliver on a promise but all that was required in that case was a simple "you will be able to develop for Win 8 using .NET". If they pull this **** again with WP8... well I guess only they are losing.
    03-03-2012 02:16 PM
  15. coffeemike's Avatar
    I'm perfectly comfortable with this.

    Saying that WP8 should run on current devices is one thing. Announcing that it will or is expected to run? Totally a different thing. MS can't come out and make a move that looks like a promise or guarantee. I'm betting they're still deciding what features should be in WP8 and how to run them on as minimal a hardware profile as possible. And remember, unless I've missed something, WP8 is rumored for "late this year" - that's plenty far enough away.

    Consider also the existence of Tango itself. MS has actively gone out and slimmed down WP7 to run on lighter, entry-level hardware. To abandon that focus and only design for high end hardware? Nah.

    I can't be worried now, until official announcements are made, about Apollo and what it may or may not bring. (Side note - I'd be happy just to have 8107, AT&T....) I've been on WP7 from iOS for three weeks now, and I'm not going to turn back just to wait months for another round of phone dev.
    03-03-2012 02:29 PM
  16. mattpga's Avatar
    well some android phones get maybe one upgrade to the next version depending on carrier, and if the phone can support it, but thats normally it. Is it realistic to expect MS to continually upgrade everyone. You won't be expecting a free upgrade to Windows 8 for your laptop will you, so why do we all expect it for the phone?

    Unfortunately it seems we are going to get (sorry, are getting, 8107 where are you?) an android experience with updates anyway, so it will depend on your manufacturer and carrier when you get anything, if you get at all.
    03-03-2012 02:31 PM
  17. freestaterocker's Avatar
    Microsoft has barely finished Tango. Apollo is still a work in progress. They are not gonna reveal specs or anything other than a hope for compatibility. They are not gonna commit to something they may not be able to deliver.

    Mark my words Apollo will come to devices but it will be like Tango and have limitations for slower devices. You really think they are releasing Tango in April and then 6 months later have no update strategy for devices like the Lumia 610.

    Apple or Google don't go around commiting devices to the next update. So why should Microsoft and why do people keep pestering them. They will know when the product is done. They can't possibly know until they have tested Apollo on devices and then decided to do no update, partial update, or full update etc...
    Because they've spent the last year pointing their fingers at Android and screaming "FRAGMENTATION!!!" at the top of their lungs like little school children. So to do it now with a device like the 900 or Titan 2 that hasn't even been RELEASED yet would make them hypocrites, and the fandroids would never shut up about it. Not to mention it would **** off the early adopters in the worst way, likely costing them customers in the process.
    03-03-2012 02:35 PM
  18. starblade876's Avatar
    I have little doubt WP7 devices will upgrade to WP8. WP9.5, on the other hand, we'll probably get dropped by then. Then, we can all cry because our 5-year-old phones aren't being paid attention to... or most of us will just have new phones by every 2 years. \_(ツ)_/
    03-03-2012 02:38 PM
  19. borjeboy's Avatar
    Ofcourse nokias 710, 800 and 900 Will get Apollo.. They has just been realized. And the 900 is coming world Wide around the summer... Probably android boys that comes with this rumors and articels

    Nokia also has reputation of supporting there phones for quite longperiod
    Last edited by borjeboy; 03-03-2012 at 02:54 PM.
    03-03-2012 02:46 PM
  20. eric12341's Avatar
    Gen 1 and 1.5 devices will be upgraded. That statement could mean anything, it could've meant "Android devices don't get updates,apple devices get updates that slow down but our update process will be different and still provide a stable user friendly experience". All in all I wouldn't be too disappointed if my HD7 won't get updated to Apollo because I was planning on getting a new device around that time anyway.
    03-03-2012 03:02 PM
  21. anodynamic's Avatar
    There's also the possibility that Apollo doesn't mean end of life for WP7. Even if it doesn't get updated to the new platform (which is a big upgrade with the kernel switch and so on), there could still be future WP7 versions that add necessary features to current phones.
    03-03-2012 03:26 PM
  22. scottcraft's Avatar
    It's not such a big deal for my trophy to not get Apollo since I'll be eligible for an upgrade close to the time Apollo should be released, but it would really stink for those who buy WP the first half of this year. If the first Gen phones can't upgrade to Apollo I'll have to think hard about whether or not I want to continue to support the windows phone platform.

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    03-03-2012 03:38 PM
  23. cdook's Avatar
    If WP7 phones don't get WP8 then I'm blaming the carriers. They want people buying new subsidized phones and being locked in 2 year contracts. They're best interest is no feature updates for any phones.

    Now on the PC world, I bought a laptop with Vista 5 years ago. I was able to upgrade to Windows 7 and now Windows 8. Sure I had to pay for the upgrade, but I'm sure others would pay for major phone releases.
    03-03-2012 04:09 PM
  24. doublebullout's Avatar
    Just playing devils advocate here...
    Most responses here are of the "I must have WP8 for my current WP7 phone" variety. Yet no one really knows what will be in WP8 that makes it a "must have it!" upgrade. So it seems to me that the angst is more than a bit premature.


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    03-03-2012 04:27 PM
  25. coffeemike's Avatar
    Just playing devils advocate here...
    Most responses here are of the "I must have WP8 for my current WP7 phone" variety. Yet no one really knows what will be in WP8 that makes it a "must have it!" upgrade. So it seems to me that the angst is more than a bit premature.
    Perhaps. Although from what I understand, 7 to 7.5 was fairly significant, and as awesome an experience as it is, there is much more to be done/polished in the OS. This doesn't make the angst correct, but understandable.

    (PS - Aggies? Hm. GO OWLS)
    03-03-2012 05:32 PM
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