06-07-2012 01:34 AM
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  1. smapor's Avatar
    horrible to use with a mouse...

    I think it is going to flop when it comes to desktop users.

    Awesome on a tablet I bet though
    Facepalm!!!!!!!!

    Microsoft should stop spending 9.5 billion in research and just hire you because your voice speaks for all of the Windows users.
    06-01-2012 07:54 PM
  2. Zumanity's Avatar
    Installed the RP on my Dell Latitude D630 (I think i got this one in 2001). It works pretty great! I had Windows XP on it previously and it was extremely slow. Windows 8 works fast and fluid.

    I do notice that one thing I cannot do is snap metro apps/desktop apps. I'm guessing that's due to res/hardware.
    06-01-2012 09:22 PM
  3. fisci's Avatar
    djdtox, this is one of those rare times that I actually (somewhat) agree with you.

    I found the Consumer Preview sort of awkward with a mouse. It wasn't the gestures like swiping down to close an app (because it's not that different from Windows 7 where you can drag a window to the top to make it full screen, or to the sides to compare documents) that bothered me, but instead the hot corners thing. It especially annoyed me how it worked on multiple monitors. I'd always shoot past a corner and onto the next monitor (though I heard that's been fixed here?).

    I guess the removal of the Start Menu also felt weird. When I wanted to shut down my computer, I'd go to the bottom left hand corner to open a Start Menu (that wasn't there) upon which I'd remember that I'd have to actually bring my cursor to the bottom right hand corner to bring up that little menu on the side.

    Furthermore, I think I missed the list of recent programs in the Start Menu. I also didn't like the way the "all apps" screen was laid out--It took me longer than I would have liked to find a program (I suppose because the layout was different). I suppose I could get used to it, but I don't want to have to get used to something. It's why I'm not a big fan of Android (so the solution is customize, but I don't like spending so much time customizing), and why I prefer WP7, and to a lesser extent, iOS. Anyway, I suppose the solution is to use the search (like I would often do on Mac) to open a program.

    I also found myself using desktop mode a lot because I didn't like how some of the Metro apps worked. I did submit feedback and hopefully this version is better. Hopefully I'll get around to trying it this weekend.
    Exactly...

    Finally a voice of reason, not just eric12451 saying troll, troll troll like he does in every thread.

    It isn't just me feeling this way.

    Go read reviews on it, or analysts predictions.

    Whatever though, I don't understand how me saying it would be great on a tablet but didn't translate so well to a desktop os turns into such a spazzfest
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    06-01-2012 09:28 PM
  4. travis_valkyrie's Avatar
    Actually, Microsoft didn't lie. It released on May 1st around lunchtime here in New Zealand.
    06-01-2012 10:21 PM
  5. scottcraft's Avatar
    Exactly...



    Whatever though, I don't understand how me saying it would be great on a tablet but didn't translate so well to a desktop os turns into such a spazzfest
    I know, I didn't think you said anything wrong.
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    06-02-2012 05:46 AM
  6. wolf1891's Avatar
    Exactly...
    ...
    Whatever though, I don't understand how me saying it would be great on a tablet but didn't translate so well to a desktop os turns into such a spazzfest
    because you didn't elaborate on WHAT you felt was wrong! even when asked for examples you just complained that people were being mean to you. You are welcome to your opinion but, if you make a statement like:
    "horrible to use with a mouse...

    I think it is going to flop when it comes to desktop users."

    ...without providing and supporting specific examples of what is so wrong (for you) then you ARE going to get called out on it. welcome to the internet dude.
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    06-02-2012 07:35 AM
  7. Giddora's Avatar
    the gestures like swiping apps away, etc...

    anyway I should have expected this sort of answer around here.
    I don't swipe away apps, ever.. Why should I?

    And about my answer... I'm sorry I don't dislike it. I've used it since DP and have found it to be better than W7. I really like the idea of a start-view where all information is available to me from one click on the keyboard.
    06-02-2012 08:43 AM
  8. Guzzler3's Avatar
    horrible to use with a mouse...

    I think it is going to flop when it comes to desktop users.

    Awesome on a tablet I bet though
    I have to agree with this one. I spent some time with W8 with a mouse, track pad, eraser mouse, and keyboard. Not a very enjoyable experience for me. I really, really, really wanted to have touch screen, or a multi-touch track pad with gestures.

    I spent most of my time in the "desktop" app, since that's where 99% of my apps were at. Some of the Metro apps were really beautiful and a pleasure to use! Others... eh. I hate to say it, but I got really frustrated with the Store app and trying to find the search feature. Finally figured out, it wasn't in the app itself, but in the O/S.... Arrrrghhh!!!

    I think they hired to many programers that used to work for Apple for this one.

    And just a FYI... I've been a Windows user since Windows 1.0. Yep, you read correctly.. version 1.0. I've been through every version of Windows for the PC that MS has put out. This is ground breaking... but a serious learning curve comparatively to other versions.
    06-02-2012 12:49 PM
  9. eric12341's Avatar
    The experience with a keyboard and mouse hasn't been completed yet. Just takes some getting used to, no need to say it's going to flop.
    06-02-2012 01:37 PM
  10. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    I don't care for it either on a desktop with a keyboard and mouse. If the final version isn't better I'll skip it and wait for Windows 9, which should address issues, like how 7 fixed the Vista issues.

    Microsoft seems to release a good OS every other release. A crummy release is usually followed by an excellent one, and vice-versa.

    Sent from my Lumia 900 using Board Express
    06-02-2012 02:36 PM
  11. wbeckle's Avatar
    I think they borrowed some bad ideas from WP7:
    Messaging doesn't stay connected in the background and Twitter feed doesn't update in the background.

    Everything opens full screen. I have a widescreen monitor so lots of wasted space on each side of the window. On the phone this will be fine though.

    Can't change the background.

    Music is a very limited player, they should have leveraged Media Center.

    Basic status information like date & time isn't easy to get at anymore.

    Too many dead "live" tiles. Just colored squares that give no info.

    I still like it but probably because its new and different. I look forward to seeing what they do with it next.
    06-03-2012 07:23 AM
  12. Depauville Kid's Avatar
    FTR anything you don't agree with =/= trolling....

    You're just uptight and self indulgent.

    It is not good with a mouse, it is awkward IMO ( orgot, people aren't entitled to that around here).

    I said it would be good on a tablet. Go cry elsewhere
    I did use the consumer preview for awhile and found that it was incredibly slow to navigate with just a track pad. My hand was cramping and it was so frustrating to have to grab onto the horizontal bar and side scroll so much. I even tried increasing the cursor speed to no avail.

    So, I competely agree with djdtox. I am so excited for Windows 8, but they are going to have to help out laptop users a bit with the navigation component. Touchscreen I bet works great, and even a mouse I found worked much better. But, a laptop trackpad was very slow and almost painful to use. On the last release, I gave it 3 days of heavy use and had to go back to Windows 7. I'm thinking of trying this new Release Preview to see if it's better.

    Navigation aside, I love the metro look and the apps on the desktop. Everything looks and seems like a huge improvement. They just got to improve the laptop navigation a bit... that's all.
    06-03-2012 09:46 AM
  13. Depauville Kid's Avatar
    For me the navigation with a trackpad was slow because of the horizontal scrolling. Also, with Win7, it takes one fast swipe on the trackpad to move the cursor from one side of my screen to the other. With the consumer preview, it was like 4 swipes to move the cursor all the way across the screen. As I said, I tried to increase the cursor speed, but it didn't help at all. All that swiping just to move the cursor a few inches began to make my hand cramp up.
    06-03-2012 09:53 AM
  14. Giddora's Avatar
    Everything opens full screen. I have a widescreen monitor so lots of wasted space on each side of the window. On the phone this will be fine though.
    You can pin programs to the left and right too. :)

    Can't change the background.
    Yes you can. :)

    Music is a very limited player, they should have leveraged Media Center.
    There's always alternative music-players and the Media Center is there too if you want to use that. But the basic version that's installed on first boot is very limited, I agree.

    Basic status information like date & time isn't easy to get at anymore.
    Put your mousecursor in the upper right corner, or swipe in from the right. Accessible everywhere. :)

    Too many dead "live" tiles. Just colored squares that give no info.
    Not sure I follow you on this one, got an example? :)



    Not trying to be a "Your opinion is invalid because it's not like mine"-type of guy... But I'm eager to know what faults other people see. :)
    06-04-2012 05:46 AM
  15. greensea's Avatar
    using it now on a laptop mainly in desktop mode. metro works well with two finger scroll though when set at slowest speed.

    some weird things:

    no log out button in desktop mode. have to jump to metro
    live tiles are just being pretty instead of informative and to the point. show the picture and headline at the same time and jump to another story or something.
    maybe toast notification for emails accounts.
    maybe bring back the recent program section in search view.
    06-04-2012 11:11 AM
  16. thed's Avatar
    I agree with the folks saying that it's awkward on a desktop pc. A big problem is that from what I could tell, it doesn't really bring anything new to the table if you're not interested in Metro mode.

    I posted a while ago in some other thread that it would probably be great for a tablet but not for a desktop pc. A lot of what I do on my pc is only available from the desktop mode, and transitioning between metro and desktop felt clunky, just adding a layer of complexity that didn't need to be there. And I'm sorry, but I think getting rid of the start menu was just a poor decision. If you're using a mouse then the start menu has way more features and is a lot more useful than the metro start screen. Huge WTF by Microsoft in my opinion.

    Multi monitor support was pretty bad when I tried it. Good to hear that they've cleaned that up, but by now I've already given up on Win8. I think I'll be skipping this one unless I decide to get a tablet. But I'm not really a tablet fan, so I don't know about that either.

    Edit: One thing I forgot to mention is a positive. The new task manager is pretty awesome. They did a great job with that. But it's hardly a good enough reason for me to upgrade.
    06-05-2012 11:06 AM
  17. alpinestars1z's Avatar
    Also annoying: Mail (when I last used it over a month ago) is similar to WP7 in when you delete an e-mail it doesn't immediately reflect that change on the server. It doesn't annoy me so much now, but imagine if you have a Window Phone, Windows RT tablet, and Windows 8. You get a new mail notification on your phone, you delete the e-mail. A few minutes later, you get on your tablet and PC, and at this point the changes still haven't gone back to the server so you see that very same e-mail that you just deleted on your phone still marked unread in your inbox on your PC or tablet.
    06-06-2012 06:05 PM
  18. cckgz4's Avatar
    Sorry but its not awkward for me using a PC. Again with the generalization. For YOU its awkward, not for everyone
    06-07-2012 01:34 AM
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