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  1. dsba's Avatar
    I found quite annoying that many apps don't quit until you go to app changer and close then. The list I got until now is:
    -. Facebook
    -. Calendar
    -. Battery saver
    -. Remote desktop

    There might be others, does anyone experience the same?

    Cheers,
    DS.

    Sent from my Lumia 1020 using Tapatalk
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    06-05-2014 05:40 PM
  2. mparker's Avatar
    I found quite annoying that many apps don't quit until you go to app changer and close then. The list I got until now is:
    -. Facebook
    -. Calendar
    -. Battery saver
    -. Remote desktop

    There might be others, does anyone experience the same?
    Sure. They're not supposed to close all the way. They're not really "running" though, they're suspended in a way that WP can quickly wake them back up. The ones that are really running are the background tasks, and those don't show up in the app changer.
    06-05-2014 05:52 PM
  3. a5cent's Avatar
    ^ What mparker said

    What you see in the task switcher are apps that lie in memory, but they aren't running. Ignore them, and WP will manage it for you. The urge to mange this sort of thing manually is a relic from desktop computing.
    James8561 likes this.
    06-05-2014 07:02 PM
  4. Blacklac's Avatar
    Is there any benefit to keeping them in the task switcher? Facebook for instance? Besides quick resume.
    06-05-2014 07:11 PM
  5. a5cent's Avatar
    Is there any benefit to keeping them in the task switcher? Facebook for instance? Besides quick resume.
    Besides fast resume? No. But there is no disadvantage either. If you take fast resume out of the equation, it's kind of irrelevant.
    06-05-2014 07:14 PM
  6. Wam1q's Avatar
    Add the new Files app from Microsoft to that list too. I don't understand why it needs to stay in the app switcher... It opens up fast enough already.
    Arnab Paul and JessHerr like this.
    06-05-2014 07:25 PM
  7. etphoto's Avatar
    Of all the things to complain about. . . Lol

    Sent from my Surface 2 using Tapatalk
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    06-05-2014 07:29 PM
  8. quantum tao's Avatar
    Of all the things to complain about. . . Lol

    Sent from my Surface 2 using Tapatalk
    These things bother some people. They bother me. I'm not complaining, but I need to manually close them. I must close them. I cannot, I will not have them sit there hidden behind the curtain, doing nothing.
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    06-05-2014 07:35 PM
  9. Willy Soughers's Avatar
    Actually apps designed for 8.1 ARE running in the background when they stay in the task switcher. 8.1 brought a "truer" form of background multitasking. Youll see more apps follow suit as they get updated to take advantage of 8.1. For now only some apps like facebook WILL actually run in the background, for example if you go back to it after a couple minutes, youll notice the app refreshed the news feed when you weren't using it. The task switcher now is more than just that, its designed to manage apps running tasks in the background and you can see this when you press back and apps still appear in the switcher. Before, pressing back would "close" them.
    JessHerr likes this.
    06-05-2014 07:36 PM
  10. Neo Nuke's Avatar
    The Facebook one is actually annoying, even though in theory it should be great. Why? Because of that ugly red triangle that appears when "we had trouble getting data" shows up and stays there because the app is still tombstoned in that position. Ruins the experience. I wish Microsoft fixed this. Or Facebook would make the native "blue" app we've been waiting so long for. Thanks to the people hub being extensible, even looking a picture is a chore.
    JessHerr likes this.
    06-05-2014 07:38 PM
  11. a5cent's Avatar
    I'm not complaining, but I need to manually close them. I must close them.
    IMHO there is at least one valid reason for having this bother someone: Switching from one app to another is less pleasant if you've got a large list of open apps. Otherwise there is no rational reason to care.
    JessHerr likes this.
    06-05-2014 07:41 PM
  12. a5cent's Avatar
    Actually apps designed for 8.1 ARE running in the background when they stay in the task switcher. 8.1 brought a "truer" form of background multitasking.
    Have you got a source for that. I haven't looked through all the developer documentation, but I haven't yet seen anything suggesting that is actually the case. The app lifecycle is the same as it has always been, and the fact that the back button doesn't work the same way as it once did doesn't change anything about the app lifecycle itself.

    Background tasks are definitely much different than they were, but that isn't what you see in the task switcher. If a WP8.0 background task runs while an app is suspended, you'd see whatever updates occurred upon resuming the app too, so no difference. Those updates to the UI are simply made when the app is reactivated, not while it is suspended.
    Last edited by a5cent; 06-05-2014 at 08:05 PM. Reason: spelling
    06-05-2014 07:49 PM
  13. Wam1q's Avatar
    IMHO there is at least one valid reason for having this bother someone: Switching from one app to another is less pleasant if you've got a large list of open apps. Otherwise there is no rational reason to care.
    Exactly... I hate that the Files app stays in the app switcher. When I want to quickly switch apps, it adds an extra card to the view and serves no purpose.
    Last edited by Wam1q; 06-05-2014 at 08:02 PM.
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    06-05-2014 07:50 PM
  14. Willy Soughers's Avatar
    Hmm couldn't find anything from my phone as im at work now but I do remember seeing changes to how multitasking works in 8.1 and why apps are allowed to run in background now. But try it for yourself, open facebook, back out, wait a few minutes, task switch back to it. Itll be updated without having to pull down to refresh, sort of in the way android handles multitasking but a bit cleaner in the sense that if its not in the switcher, its not really open. Othr apps that don't do this DO in fact stay tombstoned when you don't back out in the way you mentioned and that's because 8.1 is still backwards compatible with 8.0 coded apps.
    06-05-2014 08:43 PM
  15. a5cent's Avatar
    But try it for yourself, open facebook, back out, wait a few minutes, task switch back to it. Itll be updated without having to pull down to refresh, sort of in the way android handles multitasking but a bit cleaner in the sense that if its not in the switcher, its not really open.
    I'm not willing to go out on a limb and say you are wrong. You could be right. However, I don't think that your observation necessarily leads to that particular conclusion.

    Windows Phone has always supported the delegation of very specific background processes to the OS. Tracking your location, playing musing, transferring files, receiving push notifications and a few other things have always been able to run in the background, even when the app that controls them was fully suspended. WP8.1 made a lot of changes in this area. There are now many new types of app controlled processes which the OS can run in the background, some of which cater to very specific types of applications (like WhatsApp or Facebook). I suspect that what you are observing is one such capability specific background process. These are very resource limited and time controlled processes that are managed by the OS, which can run even when the owning app is fully suspended.

    Like I said, I haven't read through all the docs yet, but WP's restrictions in regard to multitasking were put there for a reason. WP wouldn't be as fluid as it is, particularly not on low-end hardware like the 520, if MS removed those rules and introduced the free-for-all (do and break) whatever you want Android model. It's possible, but very unlikely.
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    06-05-2014 10:15 PM
  16. ebin5's Avatar
    WP 8.1 natively does not close apps after pressing back button like in wp8. MS has designed WP 8.1 multitasking like Android(but no faster resume). All apps released for WP 8.1 like moviejax,moviemaker,clockhub, desktop remote and files does this. Though WP 8 apps work in wp8.1 if we press back button they closes completely and once wp8.1 gets officially released and these apps will be updated for 8.1 they will not be closed but suspended while pressing back key. As Facebook is updated for WP 8.1 it is suspended in background.
    WP 8.1 has a new app format like .appx while WP had .xap
    06-05-2014 10:41 PM
  17. Joshua Jackson's Avatar
    These things bother some people. They bother me.
    And me...
    I, actually, thought that my phone was opening apps, on its own.
    Every now and then, I would hold down the back button and something would be open.
    I just, now, realized that the back button no longer closes the app.
    Maybe it is a throw-back to desktop or low-memory days, but I want the app to be closed (I did "close" it, after all).
    JJ
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    06-15-2014 06:18 PM
  18. anon(5344611)'s Avatar
    I think the reason behind this behavior, if I remember correctly, is for a less confusing experience for new users, who don't necessarily expect an app to close when tapping the back button. It's a little annoying at first, but at least for me, not too hard to get used to.

    And yeah, this will be the default behavior on Windows Phone 8.1.
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    06-15-2014 07:32 PM
  19. byobg's Avatar
    I think the reason behind this behavior, if I remember correctly, is for a less confusing experience for new users, who don't necessarily expect an app to close when tapping the back button. It's a little annoying at first, but at least for me, not too hard to get used to.

    And yeah, this will be the default behavior on Windows Phone 8.1.

    What might be confusing for both new AND old users is that not all apps behave this way. It seems to be up to the app developer, rather than the OS, whether pressing <back> closes or suspends an app.


    Facebook, Podcasts, Calendar, File Explorer, many others: <back> suspends, doesn't close.
    IE, Music, Mail, Games, Store, many others: <back> closes, doesn't suspend.


    I'm not seeing how inconsistency reduces confusion.
    JessHerr likes this.
    06-16-2014 02:09 PM
  20. cbreze's Avatar
    Wasn't sure how this worked. Thanks to this thread I feel more informed. Can't care less about Facebook, but Netflix always takes a bit to connect and load. Now I'll stop dumping it and others out of the app switcher and use my phone more as it was designed.
    Thanks forum!
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    06-16-2014 02:49 PM
  21. tiwahu's Avatar
    Here's a little tip when long-pressing the back button while on the start screen. If there is a suspended app to the left, you can swipe down on the left edge to close or remove that app from the list. No need to pivot to the left first for the (X) button.
    a5cent likes this.
    06-16-2014 03:54 PM
  22. cre8tivspirit's Avatar
    Well if these apps are actually running in the background, maybe that accounts for a lot of the battery drain issues I've been experiencing with 8.1 Preview. I'm still seeing my battery drain by large amounts when it's just sitting there idle.
    06-19-2014 11:08 AM
  23. Ray Adams's Avatar
    New apps for wp8.1 written using RunTime API will remains in task manager list, but they are suspended. Applications written using Silverlight for wp8.1 or 8.0 will be closed when you press back button. Microsoft now brought TWO worlds in Windows Phone. Silverlight and RunTime, both has it own advantages and bad sides. And MS again makes same mistake they did with Windows 8 which also has TWO worlds, old desktop and new Metro ( the last one is quite useless on desktop PC, but good on tablets).
    06-19-2014 11:37 AM
  24. a5cent's Avatar
    Well if these apps are actually running in the background, maybe that accounts for a lot of the battery drain issues I've been experiencing with 8.1 Preview. I'm still seeing my battery drain by large amounts when it's just sitting there idle.
    Until firmware is released, the entire discussion of WP8.1 preview and battery drain is moot.

    I still see absolutely nothing in the developer docs that points to apps being able to run in the background, while much states that they can not. So if you must speculate, you're more likely to be correct if you blame something else.
    tiwahu likes this.
    06-19-2014 11:46 AM
  25. Carl D1's Avatar
    After many smartalec comments that don't seem helpful at all ... "It's meant to be this way stop complaining" ... and such... I have my 2 penneth to add...

    1: In the good old days of internet forums when someone had a problem they didn't know how to resolve, someone that did know would just tell them... no judgement... no "OMG NOOB" behaviour... just a simple answer. Why do so many feel the need to act like trolls all the time? It's making most forums useless hubs of mindless twaddle.

    2: I don't know if you solved your problem but if it's what I think it is, this page might help:-
    Switching between apps | Windows Phone How-to (United Kingdom)
    It shows how to close background apps by holding the back button.

    And if it's not that, my apologies, I'm pretty new to windows phones myself and there are plenty of foibles I have still to deal with!
    ... and plenty of forums full with people that only want to 'blow hot air' and not actually help another person out. ;)

    Have a good'un.
    JessHerr likes this.
    07-19-2014 10:02 AM
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