1. Sanjay Chandra's Avatar
    Anyway , Its going to be "optional" for users to select double tap or live lock screen.

    OLED will have advantage here.
    06-30-2013 10:48 AM
  2. WP8Expert's Avatar
    According to my source who works in Nokia, this will be done by Nokia using a firmware update after GDR2 to introduce a new non-user accessible brightness level which is very very low (set the brightness to auto and enter a dark room. it is said to be lower than that). That will at least cut the battery usage but the always-on clock will be turned off in your pocket by using the proximity sensor in your phone and also by using the accelerometer to detect movement (e.g taking ur phone from your nightstand to check time) to activate the clock to cut down battery usage.

    Cheers,
    06-30-2013 01:03 PM
  3. th0mas96's Avatar
    yeah, on LCD displays.. on OLED all the black pixels won't even be turned on
    06-30-2013 01:20 PM
  4. spaulagain's Avatar
    My biggest complaint about the 920 is that it is LCD and this is just another reason I wish it wasn't.

    OLED is one of the reasons I want to replace my 920 with the 1020. Hopefully Nokia will stick with OLED on all future models.
    06-30-2013 01:24 PM
  5. th0mas96's Avatar
    My biggest complaint about the 920 is that it is LCD and this is just another reason I wish it wasn't.

    OLED is one of the reasons I want to replace my 920 with the 1020. Hopefully Nokia will stick with OLED on all future models.
    well, LCD has disadvantages too.. it uses more energy and has a much higher chance for errors like on my 820. When displaying dark grey, in a really small area it's a bit red. These false colors are on a lot of OLED devices.. I've sent it in for repair and hope they fix it :) But generally I also prefer OLED over LCD.
    06-30-2013 01:44 PM
  6. Nabkawe5's Avatar
    I can't go back to OLED , I've used the N8/N9/808 and I can tell you shades of colors are missed up in OLED (Purple tint ****).
    LCD is way better and my lumia 920 has the best colors ever.
    06-30-2013 01:57 PM
  7. Sanjay Chandra's Avatar
    I think Nokia will provide a message to LCD users that more battery will be consumed for double to wake (just like how OLED users get battery drain message when they select white theme)
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    06-30-2013 01:59 PM
  8. spaulagain's Avatar
    well, LCD has disadvantages too.. it uses more energy and has a much higher chance for errors like on my 820. When displaying dark grey, in a really small area it's a bit red. These false colors are on a lot of OLED devices.. I've sent it in for repair and hope they fix it :) But generally I also prefer OLED over LCD.
    Ya, there are color accuracy issues but OLEDs are much more vibrant in general and black IS black.

    I've have both, in fact I'm using my L800 right now and love how the black is seamless from the screen to the hard buttons.

    IMO, the pros out weigh the cons.
    06-30-2013 02:13 PM
  9. th0mas96's Avatar
    Ya, there are color accuracy issues but OLEDs are much more vibrant in general and black IS black.

    I've have both, in fact I'm using my L800 right now and love how the black is seamless from the screen to the hard buttons.

    IMO, the pros out weigh the cons.
    Me too! I totally agree on that. Even though the black isn't as deep as on the 800, I can't see the line between display and bezel, except at night with no light on. Especially on windows phone this looks really awesome since there's a lot of black when I use the dark theme.. and natural colors only matter when viewing photos/videos, and since nokia is about to release a color adjustment app that "problem" will be gone soon :)
    06-30-2013 02:46 PM
  10. RustyU's Avatar
    I can't go back to OLED , I've used the N8/N9/808 and I can tell you shades of colors are missed up in OLED (Purple tint ****).
    LCD is way better and my lumia 920 has the best colors ever.
    The problem you've encountered is due to the PenTile matrix, it's not an OLED problem.
    06-30-2013 07:29 PM
  11. CaptDjob's Avatar
    umm, didn't all of those phones use RGB matrix?
    07-02-2013 02:12 AM
  12. WorzelGummage's Avatar
    I can't go back to OLED , I've used the N8/N9/808 and I can tell you shades of colors are missed up in OLED (Purple tint ****).
    LCD is way better and my lumia 920 has the best colors ever.
    I've been lucky over the years with AMOLED devices I've owned where none of them have had any issues with weired tints. I've currently got the S3 and colour reproduction is spot on. You've also got the advantage of having better viewing angles on AMOLED screens too. I do like the screen on my 920 but I reckon an AMOLED with Nokia's ClearBlack, Puremotion HD+ goodness is a better choice than an LCD, providing it doesn't suffer from any sort of colour tint like some N8's did.
    07-02-2013 03:56 AM
  13. Huime's Avatar
    double tap wake has to do with the digitizer, not the display itself.
    07-02-2013 04:17 AM
  14. th0mas96's Avatar
    double tap wake has to do with the digitizer, not the display itself.
    you're right, but it also shows a white clock (background completely dark). This is the part where the display technology is important
    07-02-2013 05:36 AM
  15. WorzelGummage's Avatar
    you're right, but it also shows a white clock (background completely dark). This is the part where the display technology is important
    The double tap to wake works without having to display the clock.
    07-02-2013 05:55 AM
  16. spaulagain's Avatar
    I've been lucky over the years with AMOLED devices I've owned where none of them have had any issues with weired tints. I've currently got the S3 and colour reproduction is spot on. You've also got the advantage of having better viewing angles on AMOLED screens too. I do like the screen on my 920 but I reckon an AMOLED with Nokia's ClearBlack, Puremotion HD+ goodness is a better choice than an LCD, providing it doesn't suffer from any sort of colour tint like some N8's did.
    The screen on my girlfriends Lumia 928 is gorgeous! I'm kind of jealous now and it's hard going back to my 920 from her phone. Metro almost demands a clear black display. On the home screen the tiles just look like they are floating on the whole glass section of the phone. Its a beautiful thing :)
    07-02-2013 04:52 PM
  17. Huime's Avatar
    The screen on my girlfriends Lumia 928 is gorgeous! I'm kind of jealous now and it's hard going back to my 920 from her phone. Metro almost demands a clear black display. On the home screen the tiles just look like they are floating on the whole glass section of the phone. Its a beautiful thing :)
    920 is just as floating as 928. Seems like you like more saturation. LCD can certainly do that if you are able to tune the display which you cant now.
    07-02-2013 09:12 PM
  18. spaulagain's Avatar
    920 is just as floating as 928. Seems like you like more saturation. LCD can certainly do that if you are able to tune the display which you cant now.
    The LCD on the 920 is more "black" than the LCD that was on my HTC Surround I had. But holding my 920 up to my 800 and my girlfriends 928 there is a very clear difference. It's not just the color saturation, black is VERY black on OLED. Only on certain angles can you see where the screen ends because you can see the actual physical edge. But most of the time its seamless.

    OLED will naturally be more black simply by the way it works.
    07-02-2013 11:23 PM
  19. Sanjay Chandra's Avatar
    On iOS , I prefer LCD displays.

    On Android , both OLED and LCD are good.

    But for WP , I prefer OLED any day.
    07-03-2013 01:40 AM
  20. GReeN SCoRPioN 8K's Avatar
    On iOS , I prefer LCD displays.

    On Android , both OLED and LCD are good.

    But for WP , I prefer OLED any day.
    What Other Change do you have on iOS? As i remember every Apple iPhone Uses LCD...

    @Topic: I tested the Doubly Tap Feature on a Lumia 925 and can say it works without the Clock so it should not use to much more Power... And LCD/OLED shouldn't Matter at all!
    07-03-2013 06:15 AM
  21. Sanjay Chandra's Avatar
    What Other Change do you have on iOS? As i remember every Apple iPhone Uses LCD...

    @Topic: I tested the Doubly Tap Feature on a Lumia 925 and can say it works without the Clock so it should not use to much more Power... And LCD/OLED shouldn't Matter at all!
    iOS looks good and efficient on LCDs ,and also iOS 7 heavily emphasizes on White backgrounds , therefore , even if Apple uses OLED , LCD would still stand better.
    07-03-2013 06:53 AM
  22. th0mas96's Avatar
    What Other Change do you have on iOS? As i remember every Apple iPhone Uses LCD...

    @Topic: I tested the Doubly Tap Feature on a Lumia 925 and can say it works without the Clock so it should not use to much more Power... And LCD/OLED shouldn't Matter at all!
    Most likely because Windows Phone uses a lot of black, especially at the borders of the screen (home screen, almost any native app), which 1. looks awesome with the deep black and saves a lot of battery, because the pixels don't need to be turned on. On Android, Slimbean offers a similar feature, it tries to use as much black as possible.

    Yep, that's really good that it's both possible :) However, once I get the update I'll set the clock to always on :D
    07-03-2013 06:57 AM
  23. Huime's Avatar
    iOS looks good and efficient on LCDs ,and also iOS 7 heavily emphasizes on White backgrounds , therefore , even if Apple uses OLED , LCD would still stand better.
    It is not that iOS or Iphone use LCD in a more efficient way. In compare to 920, 4S is slightly more than half of the brightness, and 5 at around 75%. Which is why Nokia always claim their flagship has a "2.5D popping screen", essentially having the phone stay above 450nits all the time. If you prefer the same dim screen like iphones, your LCD equipped WP8 phones can surely beat that average 9hours everyone is having now.
    07-03-2013 08:34 AM

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