View Poll Results: Is Windows 10 Mobile ready and stable enough on the Lumia 830 to replace Windows 8.1?

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  • Yes, W10M is better than W8.1, very stable & fast. Best thing EVAR !

    5 14.29%
  • W10M is better than W8.1, still has bugs but OK for a work critical phone

    16 45.71%
  • W10M is good enough today, but still too buggy for a work phone

    5 14.29%
  • W10M is not ready yet, but should be soon. Try at your own risk.

    7 20.00%
  • W10M is a disaster, staying on W8.1 or switching to Android/iOS

    2 5.71%
04-24-2016 03:12 AM
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  1. drewsuruncle's Avatar
    In the beginning it was terrible, after a few months and a few updates things were looking pretty good. This last update seems to be another huge step backward. I'm doing a hard reset as we speak. I'm pretty much a Microsoft fanboy, and have been since windows phone 7. I've had at least a dozen different windows phones, just saying this to show I am willing to put up with a lot. I'm very close to leaving wp if this hard reset doesn't get **** straight.
    The issues I've had are lots of app crashes, text messages disappearing & not being sent, Cortana rarely works/crashes, the screen doesn't hide during calls (usually goes away if I restart). Those are most that I can remember, but its driving me crazy. I'll update at some point here after my hard reset finishes, and I get a chance to use it for a while.
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    04-12-2016 08:00 AM
  2. 511pf's Avatar
    I've had Windows 10 on my Lumia 830 for several months. Some thoughts.

    • Generally, the latest build (.164) on the release preview ring is fine. Performance is comparable to WP8.1. It has some minor bugs, but nothing that's impossible to live with.
    • DO NOT go to the Slow or Fast rings. The first build on the Redstone branch just came out for the Lumia 830, and it's a DISASTER. I had to reinstall WP8.1 then go to WM10 build 107, then 164, then factory reset. NOT how I wanted to spend my Saturday.
    • Battery life on WP8.1 is about 33% better. I could get 48 hours out of WP8.1. That's down to 36 hours on WM10. I've turned data collection down to "Basic" to see if that makes a difference. Rotten battery life is one reason I switched from Android in the first place.
    • I have the black screen flash bug, and always have on WM10. Seems maybe less often than it used to
    • There are features missing on WM10. No weather on Glance is one of them.
    • I've had decent experiences with Edge until recently, when it completely went to crud. Pages don't load, or reload while I'm reading them, or take forever (10-25 seconds) sitting at a blank screen while loading. There is some speculation that keeping Edge running in the background burns battery life. So I kill it when I'm done with it now.
    • Maps driving/navigation UI sucks. Fonts are too small and hard to read. There is an update for this on the Redstone build fast ring, but I'm not getting near that. I hope they roll it out to the release folks.
    • No GPS trouble for me.
    • Clicking an email notification takes you to wherever you left off in the email app, not that message. This is incredibly aggravating, as it's basic functionality that's just broken, and has been for weeks. THIS bug, which signals Microsoft's lack of commitment to Windows mobile, is why I bought a Nexus 5 last week that I'm going to install CM13 on when Google drops support. I'm going to keep using both for a while, but I think I'm done with Windows mobile until Microsoft shows they're going to put more than three high school interns on this project. I will really miss the live tiles. Best way to get at a glance information. I'll also miss the Lumia 830's camera, which is better by far than anything of that generation.
    fgaudet likes this.
    04-12-2016 11:50 AM
  3. fgaudet's Avatar
    This last update seems to be another huge step backward. I'm doing a hard reset as we speak.
    Is this the release preview or the insider Fast version (RedStone) ?

    New version 10586.218 out just today, let's see if this one irons out more bugs.

    Still waiting for my carrier release.
    04-12-2016 04:07 PM
  4. stocktiki's Avatar
    AT&T 830. Still no update.
    04-12-2016 05:49 PM
  5. skydiverian's Avatar
    I'd like opinions of people who have been running the W10M public release for at least a week
    Could we stick to this please? I'm toying with upgrading my 830 to W10 but can't decide whether several of the comments made in this thread are by people using the official release or using insider builds.

    I found that on my 830:
    1) The battery life is terrible im lucky to get atleast 7hrs out of the phone.
    2) I did find that apps crash alot more frequently on build 14295, to be honest i found the whole build really buggy but there have been better builds prior to this and they have been quite stable and you get alot of resumes but performace is okay .
    3) My screen flickers black for a few seconds for some reason and REALLY ANNOYING flashing screens whilst playing video.
    4)Random reboots
    5) It can get hot though.
    6) On the current build only, apps which should be on the task switcher, when you open an app are not there so the app is closed and you have to go on it again if you press back.

    If I was you i'd probably wait for a more stable build because i found this build really buggy, a huge contrast of stability between the previous builds but if you can deal with these issues then i'd guess it'll be alright, I use it as my daily driver.

    Hope this helps. :)
    Great example of why this thread needs to stick to people using an 830 on the official release, as stated by the OP - you mentioned a problem on a redstone build, so unfortunately your post doesn't help as I have no idea as to whether the problems you are referring to are on the official .164 release or on a redstone insider build, since you haven't mentioned if you have rolled back to .164 or otherwise.

    Every now and then I see my Location Icon turn on, although the Location is turned off, and no app is aloud to use Location. That never happens on 8.1. So much for privacy on Windows Mobile 10...
    I get this on my 830 on 8.1 GDR2 - only happens when checking data sense or enabling/disabling internet sharing. Find my phone is, however, enabled, which may explain what I'm seeing

    --

    The consensus I'm getting from the above posts is that .164 is fine with few if any problems, using a redstone insider build causes further problems and best avoided on a daily driver.
    fgaudet and Andrew Fratkin like this.
    04-12-2016 10:12 PM
  6. fgaudet's Avatar
    I'd like opinions of people who have been running the W10M public release for at least a week
    Could we stick to this please? I'm toying with upgrading my 830 to W10 but can't decide whether several of the comments made in this thread are by people using the official release or using insider builds.
    ...
    The consensus I'm getting from the above posts is that .164 is fine with few if any problems, using a redstone insider build causes further problems and best avoided on a daily driver.
    Aye, I second this motion : when commenting on your W10M experience, please start by stating whether this is on the public release or the insider builds (redstone, etc).
    Andrew Fratkin likes this.
    04-12-2016 11:06 PM
  7. Long Syntax's Avatar
    One bug that I'm wishing would get resolved would be the blinking bug https://forums.windowscentral.com/e?...token=vwr4VzNw

    The resolution most likely will require a firmware update, which is what bothers me - I doubt we'll see a firmware update.
    04-13-2016 12:18 PM
  8. thron's Avatar
    I left the insider program and went to production build a few days ago.
    Updated to 10.0.10586.218 last night.
    Over the night it lost about 25% battery just sitting still. No vibration enabled or anything that would suck higher than normal battery. Oh well, the outstanding battery life was good while it lasted.

    @Long Syntax - You can get firmware updates through the Windows Device Recovery Tool if your provider isn't pushing them, but doing so wipes your device back to factory settings.
    04-13-2016 02:40 PM
  9. Long Syntax's Avatar
    thron - I'm aware that I can get the latest firmware even if my provider doesn't push it. However, this is a case where the blinking hasn't been resolved and it's doubtful that a fix is in the works. The main reason for my assertion is that 1) it's an older phone at this point in time 2) MS can't recreate the blinking, though tons of others have the same issue. The blinking appears on the latest .218 prod build as well as on redstone builds. I've been reporting this since last December and have experienced it on insider builds since last summer. Reverting to 8.1 clears it up, so it's definitely a W10M build issue.

    For further info see the MS community thread on the issue: http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/i...7-12902cea078f
    04-13-2016 02:52 PM
  10. thron's Avatar
    That really sucks!

    Is it potentially a hardware issue, though?
    I've never had the screen go black like that, on any build. I had pixel smears with Redstone but that's as close as it got.
    I have the RM-985 model from Fido in Canada and I bought it November 2014.
    04-13-2016 03:09 PM
  11. fgaudet's Avatar
    I'm tempted to jump in on the .218 now...

    From my understanding, the .218 released to carriers and the one available through insider preview "release ring" are exactly the same, right ?
    04-13-2016 05:18 PM
  12. Oubadah's Avatar
    I purchased a Lumia 830 second hand, and it came with Windows 10. The Windows environment felt clunky and stuttery, but since I had nothing to compare it to (this being my first Windows phone) I assumed it was probably normal. However, there was also screen tearing at the top of the screen which was really bothering me. I tried resetting the phone twice, and this made no difference to the performance or the tearing.

    This morning I ran the Windows Device Recovery Tool on it, which appeared to have a newer version of firmware (unless I read it wrong) so I let it run, expecting it to stay on Windows 10. When the phone restarted, it was like a completely different phone. The tearing was gone, but also the Windows environment was silky smooth and responsive.

    I soon discovered that it had installed Windows 8.1 (8.10.14234.375).

    I now want to update to Windows 10 again to see it the firmware has made any difference, but the problem is that The phone says it's on the latest OS, and it doesn't even seem to be on the latest version of 8.1. What should I do?
    04-14-2016 05:34 PM
  13. thron's Avatar
    Every now and then I see my Location Icon turn on, although the Location is turned off, and no app is aloud to use Location. That never happens on 8.1. So much for privacy on Windows Mobile 10...
    I was just debating to enable Cortana so I can have her read my texts over Bluetooth (like she did in 8.1; without having to enable her) and I came across this:
    http://thenextweb.com/microsoft/2015/07/29/wind-nos/
    So check and see if Cortana is enabled. If she is, that's why your location is getting pinged.


    From my understanding, the .218 released to carriers and the one available through insider preview "release ring" are exactly the same, right ?
    Release is what I chose upon installing Windows Insider, there wasn't initially a "Production" option.
    After 10 installed, I went back to insider again and Production shown so I chose it and left the insider program.

    It is my understanding they are the same, but if the option is there, pick "Production."

    I soon discovered that it had installed Windows 8.1 (8.10.14234.375).

    I now want to update to Windows 10 again to see it the firmware has made any difference, but the problem is that The phone says it's on the latest OS, and it doesn't even seem to be on the latest version of 8.1. What should I do?
    KefKef gives the proper instructions for provider updates below. If no luck (provider hasn't pushed 10 yet, then try insider):
    Go to the Store and search "Windows Insider" app, install and select either Release or Production (if Production is there, pick it) - whatever you do, stay off Slow or Fast because they are buggy as hell on the 830.
    Last edited by thron; 04-14-2016 at 06:55 PM.
    04-14-2016 06:14 PM
  14. KefKef's Avatar
    I soon discovered that it had installed Windows 8.1 (8.10.14234.375).

    I now want to update to Windows 10 again to see it the firmware has made any difference, but the problem is that The phone says it's on the latest OS, and it doesn't even seem to be on the latest version of 8.1. What should I do?
    You have to go to Store and install "Upgrade Advisor". Run it and follow instructions. That is the proper way to OTA upgrade to W10M from WPh8.1
    04-14-2016 06:40 PM
  15. Kornster's Avatar
    I`d like to chime in here and give my feedback as a Lumia 830 user for a long time.

    For me the experience with WP10 Mobile has been terrible. i`ve submitted numerous feedback requests to M$ from the feedback app and then the next build that is released breaks the phone even worse. I`ve recently in the last 48 hours reverted back to 8.1 due to the instability of WP10.

    Just a list of the issues i have experienced.

    Resuming message often when moving back to the Start Screen. Unsure if this is related to my Class10 SD Card or not.
    Trying to use camera and the app crashing. Only way to fix it, is to reboot the phone.
    Notifications for Email outright stopping. Again another reboot needed.
    Groove music player freezing, Often failing to shuffle music with a loading bar. I`ve also had it crash the phone into a full reboot.
    The digitizer for some reason is super sensitive with WP10. I often put my phone in my pocket only to take it out and be greeted with the A1B2C3 security warning . I`ve even had it as bad to be told to Power Off my phone to be able to access it again.
    Wireless often breaks and i have to disable it to access the internet over 4G. Either that or another reboot and it will resolve it.
    Had a couple of occasions where the vibration motor kicked in and just stayed on requiring me to remove the battery to turn it off.
    i`ve had a few experiences with an unexpected reboot not bringing my Micro SD card back online where i store all my apps. I`ve even had a bad reboot that corrupted my SD card and i had to remove it and fix it from my PC. Lost everything that i hadnt backed up for a week.
    Attaching files to Email crashes the Email app. This has recently started happening.
    Ever since moving to WP10 a missed call is not diverted to my voicemail greeting. This seems more on the carrier side than with a problem with the OS itself.
    Connecting the phone to the PC. It often doesn't detect the phone. Even had a driver failure across multiple pc`s at one occasion.
    The photos app doesn't update recently taken photos. Is quite slow. Sometimes photos don't even show unless you reboot.

    I'm pretty sure there`s some other problems but i cannot recall them off the top of my head atm.

    I hope this helps and im not trying to make WP10Mobile look bad. I'm just tired of the issues and the fact it still hasn't been released outside of Insider considering it was scheduled for release last year and i was hanging out for it before i moved house.

    P.S Also before i go i have a friend who is using a 930 on the Insider Preview and he has no problems so the issues i have seem to be with the 830 Hardware but in saying that i recently bought my wife a 640 and she had instability issues as well and i had to revert her phone back to 8.1 as well.

    Regards
    Kornster
    04-14-2016 09:14 PM
  16. thron's Avatar
    @Kornster What version of Windows 10 were you on and was it Insider or Production build?
    What variant of the 830 is your phone?
    04-14-2016 09:57 PM
  17. Kornster's Avatar
    @Kornster What version of Windows 10 were you on and was it Insider or Production build?
    What variant of the 830 is your phone?
    Hi Thron,

    I was on the latest "Fast Ring" for the insider preview (From not long ago. Sorry phone has been restored to 8.10 so i cannot verify what version it was at the time) and i know i`ve been told to be on the "Slow Ring" but when you have the problems i was having you want updates ASAP in the hopes something thats broken may be fixed. The variant. Its just a Telstra phone i purchased outright from the Telstra store here in Australia. Hopefully the screenshot attaches.
    Last edited by Kornster; 04-14-2016 at 11:52 PM.
    04-14-2016 10:52 PM
  18. Kornster's Avatar
    @Kornster What version of Windows 10 were you on and was it Insider or Production build?
    What variant of the 830 is your phone?
    Hi Thron,

    I was on the latest "Fast Ring" for the insider preview (Only just got it recently. Sorry it`s been removed so i cannot verify what version it was) and i know i`ve been told to be on the "Slow Ring" but when you have the problems i was having you want updates ASAP in the hopes something thats broken may be fixed. The variant. Its just a Telstra phone i purchased outright from the Telstra store here in Australia. Hopefully the screenshot attaches.
    Last edited by Kornster; 04-14-2016 at 11:50 PM.
    04-14-2016 11:04 PM
  19. thron's Avatar
    Slow ring is out of date by only a few days from fast ring; it's a "tester" build designed for bug feedback before releasing it to the "public" on the Production ring. I had to learn that the hard way. (Slow is not 'slow' in this case..!)
    Slow ring was awful on my 830, too; but only when it was the Redstone build. It came to my phone last week some time. Is that when you had it, too?

    Before Redstone though, Windows 10 worked good with my 830. I had W10 on my phone since the first week of March.

    When you downgraded back to 8.1, did you do so through the Windows Device Recovery Tool? Your firmware build and radio software version is quite different from mine (but may also be due to variant differences).. I have the RM-985 from Fido Canada.

    If your firmware is out of date, it may also mess up how Windows 10 works on your phone.

    Tip: You may want to photoshop your IMEI out of the screenshot. That number is unique to your phone and depending how your provider works, somebody that's bored out there may be able to report it as stolen on you..
    04-14-2016 11:31 PM
  20. Kornster's Avatar
    Hi Thron, I thought about that attachment after i uploaded it, so i removed them. Anyway it was the Fast Ring update from like a week ago but even before this i had issues with WP10. I cannot recall ever having a good run with it to be honest.

    When i downgraded i used the Windows Device Recovery software to do it. I`d say the firmware and builds are different as we are in different countries. I know i cannot use say a US released phone over here due to the difference in the LTE network`s so that could explain why you see something different. If my firmware is out of date i am unsure on how to upgrade it to a more recent version. I cannot even recall ever seeing anything to update it but upgrading the firmware is probably not something to mess with.
    04-15-2016 12:25 AM
  21. thron's Avatar
    The recovery tool doesn't appear to give you an option of whether or not to upgrade the firmware. (It auto-upgraded my firmware when I ran that tool, too.) So you'd have the latest firmware and radio software available for your variant.

    Which is interesting. As you see from this thread some people have a number of issues with 10 and then others (like me) have none, aside from negligible bugs.

    I'm wondering if those that have so many issues with 10 all have the same variant and/or firmware build. I'm also curious what's different in the hardware/firmware that would cause such issues. Is MS maybe building W10 compatibility only for one 830 variant? If so, what is different about the build (or variant) that causes these conflicts? Anyone know?
    04-15-2016 01:01 AM
  22. Oubadah's Avatar
    You have to go to Store and install "Upgrade Advisor". Run it and follow instructions. That is the proper way to OTA upgrade to W10M from WPh8.1
    Thanks, I was able to re-install 10 that way. Unfortunately, it's still much less smooth than 8.1 was, and now that I've had a taste of that, I don't think I can put up with 10. EDIT: The screen tearing is back too, it varies in intensity. Example of tearing:



    I'm going to run the tool again to revert to 8.1 as it seems to provide a better experience. Also, am I right in my understanding that I'll be able to keep the HERE maps app and the Lumia camera app (as opposed to Windows camera, which seems to produce inferior results) if I stay on 8.1?

    The one problem is that the tool installs 8.10.14234.375, which appears to be an outdated build, and as I said above, 8.1 would not return any newer updates when I used the "check for updates" function. Is 8.10.14234.375 supposed to be the latest version of 8.1 for the 830, and if not, how would I update it?

    I'm wondering if those that have so many issues with 10 all have the same variant and/or firmware build.
    Well for the record here's mine:

    Last edited by Oubadah; 04-16-2016 at 09:10 PM.
    04-15-2016 04:06 AM
  23. fgaudet's Avatar
    I made the jump two days ago from 8.1 to 10586.218 using Windows Insider release preview ring, and everything has been very smooth since. It first updated to .107 then .218 the next morning.
    Just to contradict me though, I tried replying to this thread last night from Edge, and that failed, booh on that.

    Otherwise, performance is fine and smooth even if at times a touch slower than 8.1, email tile notification count is working, no reboots, no screen flicker or tearing, apps all seem to work fine, battery life seems the same as 8.1, Bluetooth & Wifi seem stable.

    I do miss the weather on Glance and the lock screen, hope they bring this back soon.

    The new Windows Central app is very nice but the forums section is missing a "Go to last post" and pagination would be better than infinite scroll imho and replying to posts doesn't seem to work.
    04-15-2016 08:55 AM
  24. Dirigent82's Avatar
    I ended up jumping to the fast ring to get the latest Redstone build. I was stuck on the previous build of Redstone (and didn't want to go through the hassle of rolling back to 8.1 and then reinstalling 10). So far, I think it's a fantastic build. It had a huge changelog of fixes and I haven't run in to too many issues. I've been pleasantly surprised. We'll see how it wears over the next few days.
    04-15-2016 11:12 AM
  25. Nitish_KSharma's Avatar
    Well. I have been using it for a long time now. Started as Insider in December '15 on this phone and even then the performance was super smooth. After the stable release, it has become even better. It is my primary phone and I have not felt any frustration with performance or anything. Runs perfectly like stock software. and its a Fido phone. Last Lumia they sold and literally the last Lumia of the store I bought it from :P
    04-15-2016 12:43 PM
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