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  1. person of interest's Avatar
    agreed and very well put; the heady heights of EU5 10% are long gone and windows phone/mobile has been abandoned. it's weird huh!? i'd personally say 10% in any market is good given that the difference between it (winph) and ios wasn't as big as you might think... with some clever marketing and solid devices we could have done even better. it's truly baffling how one could drop the ball like this... a reason is that they simply looked at the USA (and maybe Chinese) market share as the key indicator of success and called it a day - typical of a us- centric company i'm afraid.

    anyhow after being an MS loyalist (dell venue pro, samsung omnia 7, htc 8x, lumia 930, lumia 950xl) i think it's time to go nexus 6p and call it a day. i'm tired of the whole waiting game of MS to pull something out of the bag. time to put the lumia 950xl into a bag and dispose of it!
    I have a 950 XL (on my second one actually; good thing I got a warranty). My first ever smartphone was the Lumia 925, which lasted me about two years before it finally died on me. Considering how many times it's been dropped on hard surfaces (no case, just little chips and nicks on the edges), I'd say it's an accomplishment that it lasted that long. I bought a L640 to hold me over until the 950 XL came out, and it performed well, especially with W10 installed (still have it as a backup). Then back in February (I believe), I took the plunge and bought a 950 XL because I wanted a flagship.

    The first one I got ran smoothly for the most part and it had excellent battery life. Then I dropped it once or twice and it started to have a few issues serious enough to warrant me going to the MS store to get a replacement phone, which I had no problem getting. Now I'm on my second phone, haven't dropped it or damaged it at all, but I'm having all sorts of little nagging issues that individually aren't serious, but collectively create a frustrating user experience that continually tests my patience. Just to name a few:

    Issues in Edge:
    Broken links (I tap it several times to no avail, so I have to restart the browser to get it to work).
    Link directs me to the wrong page: Another one that happens far too often, and I have to restart the browser to get it to function properly.

    Touch issues: Too many times during scrolling I end up highlighting text inadvertently. It also happens when I try to tap to open a link, and instead of hyperlinking it highlights the text. Couldn't even do that if I wanted to on purpose.

    Cortana:
    Misinterprets what I'm saying, even when I'm speaking clearly and enunciating my words.
    Getting commands confused: I remember one time I told it to set an alarm and it did a Bing search.
    Hey Cortana! stopped functioning. Not a deal breaker per se, but I expect more out of a flagship device with this capability.

    Lockscreen freezes or keeps changing back to the default image.

    Anyway, I guess that's more than a few issues. As I said, they are relatively minor, but collectively it just makes using the phone such an exasperating experience at times, and my patience is diminishing. I've thought about switching platforms, although I'm undecided which way I want to go should I go through with it. Apple seems to be the more stable platform, but I'm wary of the prices they charge. Android has a nice selection of phones though.

    Just a frustrated 950 XL user on the brink of switching, at least until MS puts out a better product.
    05-31-2016 07:05 PM
  2. chmun77's Avatar
    There needs to be a money incentive for the developers to update their app. Both the developer and the customer / user have to have skin in the game. Good developers, with good apps, should be able to earn more money by updating their app. I would gladly buy such apps again each year, for an updated version. The paid apps cost so very little now. The apps I don't use very often, I don't care about, or are written poorly, I wouldn't pay to update.

    Just an idea.
    Best Wishes
    The main big money incentives are from Android or iOS. Never from windows phones to start with.
    05-31-2016 08:32 PM
  3. chmun77's Avatar
    Right now, MS is making the right play: investing heavily in being a cloud provider, providing services and VMs regardless of what OS they're running. That's where the future is and right now I think they're well ahead of Google. In that space, Amazon is their big competitor.
    This is TOO early to tell as well. Furthermore, Microsoft is NOT the only cloud services player out there. I would say don't pin your hopes too high for Microsoft - because like you said, Microsoft keeps dropping their ball in many ways.
    05-31-2016 08:36 PM
  4. Darren Vitarana's Avatar
    I have a 950 XL (on my second one actually; good thing I got a warranty). My first ever smartphone was the Lumia 925, which lasted me about two years before it finally died on me. Considering how many times it's been dropped on hard surfaces (no case, just little chips and nicks on the edges), I'd say it's an accomplishment that it lasted that long. I bought a L640 to hold me over until the 950 XL came out, and it performed well, especially with W10 installed (still have it as a backup). Then back in February (I believe), I took the plunge and bought a 950 XL because I wanted a flagship.

    The first one I got ran smoothly for the most part and it had excellent battery life. Then I dropped it once or twice and it started to have a few issues serious enough to warrant me going to the MS store to get a replacement phone, which I had no problem getting. Now I'm on my second phone, haven't dropped it or damaged it at all, but I'm having all sorts of little nagging issues that individually aren't serious, but collectively create a frustrating user experience that continually tests my patience. Just to name a few:

    Issues in Edge:
    Broken links (I tap it several times to no avail, so I have to restart the browser to get it to work).
    Link directs me to the wrong page: Another one that happens far too often, and I have to restart the browser to get it to function properly.

    Touch issues: Too many times during scrolling I end up highlighting text inadvertently. It also happens when I try to tap to open a link, and instead of hyperlinking it highlights the text. Couldn't even do that if I wanted to on purpose.

    Cortana:
    Misinterprets what I'm saying, even when I'm speaking clearly and enunciating my words.
    Getting commands confused: I remember one time I told it to set an alarm and it did a Bing search.
    Hey Cortana! stopped functioning. Not a deal breaker per se, but I expect more out of a flagship device with this capability.

    Lockscreen freezes or keeps changing back to the default image.

    Anyway, I guess that's more than a few issues. As I said, they are relatively minor, but collectively it just makes using the phone such an exasperating experience at times, and my patience is diminishing. I've thought about switching platforms, although I'm undecided which way I want to go should I go through with it. Apple seems to be the more stable platform, but I'm wary of the prices they charge. Android has a nice selection of phones though.

    Just a frustrated 950 XL user on the brink of switching, at least until MS puts out a better product.

    Weird thing for me is that I have not had any issues at all with my lumia 950xl - i even got it from the CPW refurb store and cost me 315. only issue is one that was due to my own mistake - I got a single sim version unknowingly and wanted dual sim!

    i've been on production, production release insider ring and currently on slow insider ring. no regular reboots (well maybe once a month - and I'd know if it happened 'cos I have a SIM PIN), no issues that you and others have outlined - I guess I'm one of the lucky ones! (perhaps single sim variants dont have issues - just a thought). the only issue I have is that continuum looks **** on my qhd monitor because the max res is HD/1080.

    I'm one of the few that really likes my lumia 950 xl, 'hello' works great (have trained it crazy amounts) and the ergonomics of the whole thing just feels right. win 10 looks great on it's screen compared to my old lumia 930, I couldnt go to a smaller phone.

    my issue is that MS have dropped the ball and along with it, the already mediocre versions of official apps will eventually fall by the wayside and get retired. the smartphone was the catalyst for the current app culture and MS have taken away any incentive to develop for it given that they have more or less stated that theyre ditching the consumer market in favour of enterprise - thats a dangerous move because apple and google are continuing to make big inroads into the enterprise, and decision makers are quickly seeing the value in embracing ios and android - especially when they carry one themselves. MS sales reps may convince some really old school luddite CTO/CIOs who run their businesses on crappy old win32 LOB apps, but they're a dieing breed.

    Remember the current app culture was driven by the consumer smartphone; by officially bowing out of that business, MS will essentially lose the hearts and minds of the people who make corporate IT decisions. IT is no longer a niche industry run by geeks, the kids who tinkered with electronic toys are now running things and microsoft is being seen as a bit of a dinosaur.
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    06-01-2016 03:38 AM
  5. cs2nd's Avatar
    Enjoyed my 950XL tremendously, bought it at launch. About a week ago I sold it and picked up a Nexus 5X, slapped Android N beta on it, and wow... Android has really come a long ways.

    I must comment though, I am in Japan where MS services are just the bare minimal. With Android, I'm once again a first-class citizen on mobile.

    I will continue to follow the development of Win 10 Mobile as I have a 925 that is still going strong.
    06-01-2016 03:44 AM
  6. wplee's Avatar


    my issue is that MS have dropped the ball and along with it, the already mediocre versions of official apps will eventually fall by the wayside and get retired. the smartphone was the catalyst for the current app culture and MS have taken away any incentive to develop for it given that they have more or less stated that theyre ditching the consumer market in favour of enterprise - thats a dangerous move because apple and google are continuing to make big inroads into the enterprise, and decision makers are quickly seeing the value in embracing ios and android - especially when they carry one themselves. MS sales reps may convince some really old school luddite CTO/CIOs who run their businesses on crappy old win32 LOB apps, but they're a dieing breed.

    Remember the current app culture was driven by the consumer smartphone; by officially bowing out of that business, MS will essentially lose the hearts and minds of the people who make corporate IT decisions. IT is no longer a niche industry run by geeks, the kids who tinkered with electronic toys are now running things and microsoft is being seen as a bit of a dinosaur.
    But they haven't exited the consumer app market at all.

    1) Universal Apps are simple for developers already building for Windows 10 (desktop) it's a no brainer. With Windows 10 already installed on 300 Million+ devices there's a fantastic opportunity for new app developers. Facebook said recently simular things - that they cant ignore such a large user base and also for Instagram/Whatsapp. Also remember universal doesn't just mean Desktop or Mobile but other devices such HoloLens, Tablets and Xbox etc. Smart developers also know Microsoft will be coming back next year with something big *coughsurfacephonecough*

    2) Microsoft's own app offering on iOS & Android is Huge and very popular. No consumer thinks Microsoft have walked away. Ironically it is only old Windows Phone users that feel left behind.

    I really wish people understand that yes Windows Phone is dead BUT Windows 10 Mobile is alive and healthy with a bright future. Yes it is sad for us who stuck with Microsoft over the years but we cant look back. Do you think Google care about Android Ice Cream Sandwich? Always move forward...
    06-01-2016 06:56 AM
  7. Gekiganger's Avatar
    Maybe he has another hidden phone, that's why your son still has his in good conditions.
    Well maybe he likes to read Manga or watch anime on his phone, that is where at least Android is lacking in apps compared to Windows. I made the switch recently (and reluctantly) and have yet to find a reader as good as Manga blaze.
    Weird, huh?
    06-01-2016 07:57 AM
  8. libra89's Avatar
    Well maybe he likes to read Manga or watch anime on his phone, that is where at least Android is lacking in apps compared to Windows. I made the switch recently (and reluctantly) and have yet to find a reader as good as Manga blaze.
    Weird, huh?
    Not weird, sometimes 'niche' things are exposed when you are making the switch.

    I didn't realize how hard it is to not have the one app that gets me through the week on W10M (Windows Phone in general, really). It annoyed me enough to move from Windows 10 Mobile back to iOS.
    06-01-2016 08:56 AM
  9. jdballard's Avatar
    This is TOO early to tell as well. Furthermore, Microsoft is NOT the only cloud services player out there. I would say don't pin your hopes too high for Microsoft - because like you said, Microsoft keeps dropping their ball in many ways.
    I never said (or even implied) that they were leading or going to win in the cloud provider area. I simply said that they made the right move getting into that business. So far it's going well, but yes, time will tell. Amazon is leading and probably their biggest competitor. Google is behind both MS and Amazon and it's one area where MS has a lead on Alphabet/Google. Sure, they could screw it up, but so far they've done well.
    06-01-2016 10:21 AM
  10. leggettv's Avatar
    I will not go back through the long list of problems. From this site alone you can clearly see them. I have been a Windows Phone users for three years. Yes I bought into the Hype of the new flagships and Windows 10 mobile. I was a day one supporter. Over this past 14 months or so the experience has been a complete disaster. Microsoft has no idea what or where there are going. We paid over $600 to be basically Alpha Software/Hardware testers. Today its Beta at best. Microsoft has now cut the line and liquidating the market. Just go back and look at the Keynote for the phone and Band 2 launch. They have lived up to none of the hype. Production Ring, Slow Ring, Fast ring??? It is clear we are not valued and I for one will not pay premium prices to be treated as nothing more than a Alpha/Beat tester.
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    06-01-2016 11:31 AM
  11. Existence_Inc's Avatar
    Since this is the place to post it: I recently left WP after the disaster that was the Icon (poor support, broken AMOLED screen firmware, no Glance, no Tap to Wake). I am not married to my carrier (VZW), but an employment service discount and living in a rural area means I sacrifice both service and/or money to have the OPTION of using a 950/XL.

    I picked up the HTC 10 and I have been pleased with the device. The camera is pretty good and about on par with my Icon's. The audio quality is a HUGE leap forward and that is important to me. The device has been solid for me, no software issues or bugs to speak of.

    However, I don't much care for android. I miss my live tiles. I miss the camera button. I miss being able to uninstall ALL carrier bloat. I miss the MS Keyboard most of all. It just worked well for me. I have disabled all Google apps except for the Play Store and Photos (because HTC didn't include their own gallery app), and I have installed almost all of the MS apps I have come to rely on. With that said, I feel like the quality and support of the apps is vastly superior on Android over WP8.1. It is much better on WP10.

    I have W10m installed on my Icon currently, so I can keep pace with the changes as the OS matures. Perhaps when MS deems the CDMA folks worthy, I can come back to a finished and well supported W10m platform. Please make a phone worthy of the Surface moniker available for ALL carriers! Please?

    ~Ex (still a fan of WP)
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    06-01-2016 11:54 AM
  12. Reflexx's Avatar
    And I finally did it. I moved to Android with a Samsung Galaxy Note 5... and may upgrade to the Note 6 when it comes out.

    I'm not happy about it. I was with Windows Phone since the very beginning with the Samsung Focus.

    I was having a horrible experience with AT&T's billing and customer service and switched to T-Mobile. AT&T wouldn't unlock my Lumia 1520 for some dumb reason. It was a warranty replacement unit, and apparently not in their system as a consumer device... but still locked to their network.

    I will say that I really do like trying out the apps that weren't available on Windows Phone, though admittedly I only did just that.... tried them out. I didn't end up using them. I suppose if someone wants to Snapchat me they could now. But meh... that's probably once ever three or four months that I'm asked about that.

    The phone itself is pretty, though it is a little small. I thought the Note would be bigger. It's tiny compared to my 1520.

    The UI is so hectic, and it's not intuitive at all. I have figured out how to use almost everything, but it just seems so clunky compared to how streamlined WP is. But it is nice to be able to customize things so much. But it's almost too customizable if that even makes sense. I feel like there is some order missing amid the chaos. I suppose having so many options makes me unsure about what the proper workflow would be. Kind of like I need to do a bunch of research that I really don't have time for. With WP it just works and works well.

    With that said, I don't hate my new phone. I do like it. It just will take a lot of getting used to, and I miss stuff from WP. WP just makes sense in a no nonsense kind of way.

    I do hope to come back to WP in another one or two years. Maybe if a Surface Phone comes out. Hopefully T-Mobile will carry it.
    06-01-2016 11:57 PM
  13. Guytronic's Avatar
    The UI is so hectic, and it's not intuitive at all.
    I see this a lot from new Android users.
    Over time the UI will make sense especially with advice from Android users.
    I run one screen and keep my homescreen to a minimum.

    It's easy to confuse yourself with so many customization choices on Android.
    Android is most certainly an adventure after switching from any other OS.
    Good luck with the Note 5.
    06-02-2016 12:05 AM
  14. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    The UI is so hectic, and it's not intuitive at all.
    What I've done is use Nova Launcher Prime and organized my apps into folders on my homescreen and even on my dock.
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    Those icons will look completely different, since I'm using a custom icon pack.
    06-02-2016 12:17 AM
  15. Guytronic's Avatar
    Here's mine...
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    06-02-2016 12:24 AM
  16. StevoPhilo's Avatar
    The bottom line is Microsoft let their market share drop to what it is now. It's already been predicted that smartphones aren't selling like they use to due to it being too saturated. Most people are buying flagship phones and holding onto them for years, or they'll just buy cheaper flagships every 2 years like the Oneplus2 etc. Even Apple recognized this with their SE.

    Which is why the 950/950XL are failing and are poor excuses for Flagship models. The specs are great on paper, but the OS just isn't there or polished like it use to be. The battery life just seems worse each month that I use it. The only reason these phones exist is cause we asked for it and they delivered half-assed. "This is for the WP fans." This device wasn't meant for anyone honestly. They managed to disappoint existing customers and to not bring in any new ones. I think that's an achievement in itself.

    Then you have the 650. It looks better than the 950's and you can tell that they thought this phone through a little more. No one was looking forward to this phone even though it's the easiest way for them to gain market share.

    The OS itself needs more work than ever and I think they should've stuck to Windows 8.1 till 10 mobile was ready. The image the 950's left due to the buggy OS is what makes this decline even more.

    I don't know what Microsoft is doing anymore and at this point I don't care. When you come out with something as innovative as the Surface line then I'll look again, but I'm at the point where my 950XL doesn't give me much reason to stick around. It's time for people to look elsewhere.
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    06-02-2016 12:29 AM
  17. dlalonde's Avatar
    What I've done is use Nova Launcher Prime and organized my apps into folders on my homescreen and even on my dock.
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    Looking good guys!

    Yeah I like to keep it simple too. I have one page only like I did on my W10m. I miss the live tiles sometimes but that's fine.

    screenshot_20160602-065504.jpg

    I personally find the iPhone to be a mess. Un bunch of icons, not even sortable unless you do it manually. With a lot of apps I'd go nuts.
    06-02-2016 06:01 AM
  18. groady-ho baluzy's Avatar
    I keep mine pretty simple too. Thinking of installing nova launcher. I do have widgets for news and other things on 2 other pages.

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    06-02-2016 08:18 AM
  19. groady-ho baluzy's Avatar
    Btw, pretty great looking screens all of you.

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    06-02-2016 08:19 AM
  20. dby2011's Avatar
    For those new to Android and miss the tile launcher from WP, this works real well:

    https://play.google.com/store/apps/d...auncher8&hl=en
    06-02-2016 08:28 AM
  21. dby2011's Avatar
    Since this is the place to post it: I recently left WP after the disaster that was the Icon (poor support, broken AMOLED screen firmware, no Glance, no Tap to Wake). I am not married to my carrier (VZW), but an employment service discount and living in a rural area means I sacrifice both service and/or money to have the OPTION of using a 950/XL.

    I picked up the HTC 10 and I have been pleased with the device. The camera is pretty good and about on par with my Icon's. The audio quality is a HUGE leap forward and that is important to me. The device has been solid for me, no software issues or bugs to speak of.

    However, I don't much care for android. I miss my live tiles. I miss the camera button. I miss being able to uninstall ALL carrier bloat. I miss the MS Keyboard most of all. It just worked well for me. I have disabled all Google apps except for the Play Store and Photos (because HTC didn't include their own gallery app), and I have installed almost all of the MS apps I have come to rely on. With that said, I feel like the quality and support of the apps is vastly superior on Android over WP8.1. It is much better on WP10.

    I have W10m installed on my Icon currently, so I can keep pace with the changes as the OS matures. Perhaps when MS deems the CDMA folks worthy, I can come back to a finished and well supported W10m platform. Please make a phone worthy of the Surface moniker available for ALL carriers! Please?

    ~Ex (still a fan of WP)
    FYI, there are plenty of simple gallery app available that are free such as QuckPic for Android. Not sure why you would uninstall Google Apps like Maps, Youtube, and Gmail. The basic Gmail app is fantastic and works with Microsoft accounts and Google maps is superior to just about anything out there. Also I highly recommend you use Google Voice for free visual voicemail and dump Verizon's voicemail. Android is intimidating at first but there are so many things you can do to customize it and Google has great services integrated in the mobile OS, I would not deny yourself by quickly uninstalling the google apps.
    06-02-2016 08:40 AM
  22. Existence_Inc's Avatar
    FYI, there are plenty of simple gallery app available that are free such as QuckPic for Android. Not sure why you would uninstall Google Apps like Maps, Youtube, and Gmail. The basic Gmail app is fantastic and works with Microsoft accounts and Google maps is superior to just about anything out there. Also I highly recommend you use Google Voice for free visual voicemail and dump Verizon's voicemail. Android is intimidating at first but there are so many things you can do to customize it and Google has great services integrated in the mobile OS, I would not deny yourself by quickly uninstalling the google apps.
    I am waiting for HTC to release their Gallery and Music Player apps because they worked so well on past devices. Especially if the HTC Music Player takes full advantage of the DAC for playback. And to answer your inquiry, I don't much care for Google's apps. They do what they say they will do, but there are alternate apps out there that perform as good or better than Google's own. HTC's mail app works great and has been a pleasure to use, as has been Outlook. (On a funny note, the easy set-up GMail protocol is mysteriously absent from HTC mail app, you have to add it manually.) I prefer Outlook's Calendar to Google's, as I don't use my GMail account calendar as my primary. Never have.

    Here+ Maps allow 100% offline navigation, and while the maps and nav isn't as good as Google Maps, it is about 90% as good and when you're out of the service area as often as I am (and that is very common out west, look at each provider's cellular coverage maps, it isn't pretty) the ability to have a map off of the grid is huge. I will check out Google Voice. That is a good suggestion. I don't pay for Visual Voice Mail, but if GVoice works like it, I'd be interested.

    I don't find Android intimidating, but I do find a lot of the dependency on APPS for Everything does grow tedious. Some things that WP/BBOS/OS10 just DID out of the box requires an app on android. Not a bash, just an observation/opinion. I appreciate the ability to have options, but even finding a nice calendar widget is a real exercise in trial and error. This is why Apple has such a following, I guess: everything just works. That is why I bought my folks an iPad over any other alternative. I just works, and is easy to use for non-tech people.

    Anywho, I like my HTC 10 a lot, but it HAS been a transition. Now that I have access to gazillions of apps, I find that I have even fewer installed on my 10 than I did on my Icon. I am a rogue case as I don't use social media or online banking apps or anything of that ilk. I use my phone as a communication and music playback device with the occasional map or video. Probably the result of being a long-time BlackBerry user.

    ~Ex
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    06-02-2016 09:52 AM
  23. wgs84's Avatar
    I see this a lot from new Android users.
    Over time the UI will make sense especially with advice from Android users.
    I run one screen and keep my homescreen to a minimum.

    It's easy to confuse yourself with so many customization choices on Android.
    Android is most certainly an adventure after switching from any other OS.
    Good luck with the Note 5.
    Can't argue with that. I switched back to Android last week. I got myself a Galaxy S7. It is an absolutely amazing phone, and overall I'm very comfortable using it since I have been using Android since its Froyo days, but even then I sometimes found myself overwhelmed with the amount of features Samsung managed to pack into the phone. Keep in mind that I've been using Android for the past six years, and I'm very familiar with it. I can't imagine what it's like for someone who is new to it.
    06-02-2016 11:03 AM
  24. dbdayton's Avatar
    I too am leaving Windows Mobile.

    I had a 925, which I loved. I was eager to buy the 950XL and I did. But W10M has been a mess. Things don't work, or they would crash. Cortana for me is completely inoperable. Groove music doesn't play "albums" or in order of the songs on the album from local files. Most of the "live tiles" are not live, but seem to be asleep, and take awhile to load when the phone awakes, rendering the live tiles not so live.

    I picked up a Nexus 6P unlocked, refurbished on ebay for a decent price. I wanted a phone that I knew as going to be updated and not quickly abandoned for a newer model, which I understand Android OEM's are notorious for doing (I had one before my 925 that was abandoned like a week after it's release) So far it's working great, but I've just got it. Getting used to the UI has taken some work, but for me scrolling sideways to get to apps, is no different then scrolling down to get to apps as I did on Windows. I have notifications for email with a bar on the screen (pre-unlocked screen, not sure what you call that) that works a lot like the old live tile for me when I need to see if an email is important or not.

    The apps do make the phone and the UI. I'm really surprised at the difference in number and quality of shared apps on Android over Windows. The Outlook app on Android is SOOOO much better then it is on Windows....and that to me tells me all I need to know about the future of Windows Mobile. It's dead. Even Microsoft is mailing it in on W10M
    06-02-2016 12:07 PM
  25. Imanolsf's Avatar
    I used to have the lumia 710, 620, 920, 635 and de microsoft 640 and now just bought a ZTE Mavel 25$... Blows all my previous phone i feel that i lost my time using all those WPs... In term of apps the rest my 640 blows this cheap phone
    Last edited by Imanolsf; 06-03-2016 at 09:57 AM.
    06-02-2016 04:32 PM
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