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  1. tgp's Avatar
    So I think I will be safe with an Elite X3 for as long as it hangs tough on W10M.
    Yeah I know what you mean. If I were wavering (I'm not anymore), I would have to think about where W10M is going to be in two years. It appears that more and more apps and services will be leaving, if the recent trends continue anyway. Even if a W10M device is fine now, what will it be like in 2019? There's a 99.9% chance it won't improve, and about that high of a chance it will be less capable than it is today.

    That is what would concern me, much more than its current state.
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    10-06-2017 07:40 PM
  2. etphoto's Avatar
    Yeah I know what you mean. If I were wavering (I'm not anymore), I would have to think about where W10M is going to be in two years. It appears that more and more apps and services will be leaving, if the recent trends continue anyway. Even if a W10M device is fine now, what will it be like in 2019? There's a 99.9% chance it won't improve, and about that high of a chance it will be less capable than it is today.

    That is what would concern me, much more than its current state.
    That is what happened to WebOS. Even though i am not an app guy, even the most basic apps stopped working forcing me to switch. It will be awhile still before that happens to W10m but you can at least bet nothing new will be coming along.

    Twitter: @PhotographyET
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    10-06-2017 08:14 PM
  3. fatclue_98's Avatar
    That is what happened to WebOS. Even though i am not an app guy, even the most basic apps stopped working forcing me to switch. It will be awhile still before that happens to W10m but you can at least bet nothing new will be coming along.

    Twitter: @PhotographyET
    I would hazard to guess that UWP apps will survive on mobile as long as Windows S is a thing since it's totally dependent on them. If I'm right, W10M might be kicking for a few more years as long as the hardware holds up.

    Sent from my HP Elite x3 on mTalk
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    10-06-2017 08:44 PM
  4. ocdtrekkie's Avatar
    I would point out to those wavering that there is no amount of Microsoft software support that can cover up that Android is about as secure as Windows XP, and comes with malware preinstalled.
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    10-06-2017 08:55 PM
  5. etphoto's Avatar
    I would point out to those wavering that there is no amount of Microsoft software support that can cover up that Android is about as secure as Windows XP, and comes with malware preinstalled.
    Yeah, i started listening to Android Central podcast and the first one i listened too they talked for a long while about the security problems with Android and the long wait for security patching. (along with updates)

    Twitter: @PhotographyET
    10-06-2017 09:02 PM
  6. tgp's Avatar
    I would point out to those wavering that there is no amount of Microsoft software support that can cover up that Android is about as secure as Windows XP, and comes with malware preinstalled.
    Hey, you sound like u/puppy2016 over on r/windowsphone!
    10-06-2017 09:06 PM
  7. ocdtrekkie's Avatar
    That's not my Reddit name, lol. My Reddit name is the same as here.
    10-06-2017 09:09 PM
  8. tgp's Avatar
    That's not my Reddit name, lol. My Reddit name is the same as here.
    Yeah I know. You sound like him on Reddit too!
    10-06-2017 10:20 PM
  9. joanzen's Avatar
    We all sound like folks who are just desperately hanging on for dear life! I truly don't want to switch to Android/iOS either. If I could pop out the battery in my Icon (which now has a battery-life measured in minutes - maybe an exaggeration, but not much of one) and put in a new one, I'd be fine keeping it. I've really liked this phone. The app gap hasn't been a problem for me, but if Uber were to drop theirs, I'd have to go elsewhere. In any event, I'm going to pick up the Elite x3 on Verizon and see what happens... I wish they'd sell just the phone and not bundled with the dock, like on shopping.hp.com; I don't really care about the dock one bit.
    nate0 likes this.
    10-07-2017 08:59 AM
  10. nate0's Avatar
    Thanks for all the tips everybody. I checked with Elite support about the phone part numbers (1PK92AA#ABA and 1PK93AA#ABA) They said the difference they saw in the two was that 1PK93AA#ABA came with earbuds/headset of some sort. They also verified that the HP Product code above is the model compatible with VZW.

    I personally just went ahead and placed an order for this one. If it pops up cheaper within the next 3 weeks or so, which might happen, I can always return it and go with the cheaper one.
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    10-07-2017 09:31 AM
  11. bjones0821's Avatar
    I may be wrong, but I was just looking at the Microsoft store page and noticed that the Elite X3 title has been updated to:

    HP Elite x3 Bundle - GSM Unlocked

    I don't believe it included the "GSM Unlocked" in the title before, only the bullet point in the details. This seems to be in preparation for having 2 different models on the store, one being GSM, the other obviously CDMA. The price still shows 599.00 U.S. for the bundle.
    10-07-2017 11:24 AM
  12. ocdtrekkie's Avatar
    I expect the Verizon model to list at $699. It's not uncommon for the Verizon model of a phone to cost more to begin with, and $699 is the MSRP according to the other distributor sites.

    @Nate, let us know what happens, ordering from Provantage is my backup plan.
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    10-07-2017 11:37 AM
  13. Rob Bozzuto's Avatar
    Verizon will have a Windows phone soon. It was the same way with Apple took them awhile to get the iPhone.
    10-07-2017 12:01 PM
  14. PuckCowboy's Avatar
    I may be wrong, but I was just looking at the Microsoft store page and noticed that the Elite X3 title has been updated to:

    HP Elite x3 Bundle - GSM Unlocked

    I don't believe it included the "GSM Unlocked" in the title before, only the bullet point in the details. This seems to be in preparation for having 2 different models on the store, one being GSM, the other obviously CDMA. The price still shows 599.00 U.S. for the bundle.
    Good eye! I actually noticed that too last night! I also noticed the Incipio case is back in stock for it.

    Seems like an day now.

    My only hesitation is $700+ after tax (closer to $800 after some accessories) is going to be a big pill to swallow for a 1-year old model phone whose OS has a concrete end-of-life is 2019. Yes there will be maintenance updates from MS and firmware updates from HP to keep things stable and smooth, but no new features. I also don't use many apps at all, but I just hope the main ones I'm using don't get pulled or start going wonky because they probably won't be getting many updates at this point either, if any at all. Ultimately I'd still like to buy one, but a $500 (or less) price point would be easier to justify given the known state and future of W10m at this exact moment.
    Last edited by PuckCowboy; 10-07-2017 at 12:17 PM.
    10-07-2017 12:04 PM
  15. ocdtrekkie's Avatar
    Verizon will have a Windows phone soon. It was the same way with Apple took them awhile to get the iPhone.
    If the iPhone was a dead product nobody expected to ever be released again at all. ;)
    10-07-2017 12:04 PM
  16. nate0's Avatar
    Sure. I will keep this thread posted on how this goes. It should only be the phone and the power adapter from what I know and I was reluctant for what I am getting to buy it at that price. Will see how it goes. I am in the same boat with this ICON, being on its last leg. I will say though that this thing has taken more beatings then any of my phones, and it only has frame dents and scratches to show for that. No cracks and no hardware damage. Good built Nokia.
    10-07-2017 12:09 PM
  17. ocdtrekkie's Avatar
    I got my Icon used for $99 on Groupon, I think. Came with scratches. :/ But has held up insanely well, better than any of my bought-new Android devices.
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    10-07-2017 12:17 PM
  18. nate0's Avatar
    Same here. Used off swappa for like 40.
    I take that back...30 bucks but with no charger or anything. Just the phone. Has worked fine since I got it.

    Edit: Got it on the latest W10M build too.
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    10-07-2017 12:21 PM
  19. PuckCowboy's Avatar
    I got my Icon used for $99 on Groupon, I think. Came with scratches. :/ But has held up insanely well, better than any of my bought-new Android devices.
    I'm still on my ATIV SE using W10m via a hacked registry. It got stuck on the 15063.251 OS build back in May however. It's plugging along, but it's on it's last legs as I've been having some very annoying reboot issues of late, bluetooth issues as well, in addition to my GPS literally not working for most of this year.

    I'm ready to move on. If for some reason the Elite X3 doesn't work out for me, I'm going to bite the bullet and get a Pixel :(
    10-07-2017 12:24 PM
  20. ocdtrekkie's Avatar
    Wow, you have your ATIV on a newer version than I have my Icon. I didn't want to screw with it or go Insider (Security being my priority, I'd rather have a current-patch 14393 than a hacky 15063.)

    The ATIV is actually the phone I bought new, but ended up back on Android for a while after a poor attempt to force it onto 8.1 before they supported it. (Which worked, but left it with an awfully buggy touchscreen.)
    10-07-2017 12:28 PM
  21. PuckCowboy's Avatar
    WOW! Crazy. So interesting how many of us have stuck it out all this time with almost 4 year old phones now. Its the longest Ive probably kept any piece of technology, haha!
    10-07-2017 12:31 PM
  22. ocdtrekkie's Avatar
    Well, a lot of people still even interested in the platform fall in that boat due to lack of options at this point. Everyone else has jumped ship.
    10-07-2017 12:33 PM
  23. nate0's Avatar
    That is why I like Window 10 Mobile and Windows Phones in general. I can buy a 4 yr old phone at almost nothing and it runs the latest software with updates. On top of that they are quite configurable via the Registry access we have to them and other tools that can help you make it a better device for you. If iOS was like this I would move to them if W10M and the X3 do not work out. But the only path left would be Android.

    Edit: Example--When I get an X3 I enable the LED notifications, disable the Camera shutter sound, and enable living images. They are simple missing features that the phone is capable of and make it that much more enjoyable.

    I plan to build a tutorial/guide on how to enable the LED notifications soon so that others who want can use it.
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    10-07-2017 12:40 PM
  24. ocdtrekkie's Avatar
    I would easily go iOS before any Android device. From a security and privacy standpoint, there's just no competition. I do loathe iOS though.
    fatclue_98, nate0 and Rob Bozzuto like this.
    10-07-2017 12:49 PM
  25. ocdtrekkie's Avatar
    With all the recent hubbub, I'll be drastically more settled once I have an order confirmation for my Elite x3.
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    10-09-2017 02:12 PM
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